The Doctor Posted 23 December 2015 Posted 23 December 2015 Galloways campaign for London mayor is making some rather strange claims.
ajthefox Posted 23 December 2015 Posted 23 December 2015 Finest black leader?? How on earth can they print that seriously???
Thracian Posted 24 December 2015 Posted 24 December 2015 We'll definetely meet up for a drink before the end of the season, it would be too rude not to after how this one has gone. The UKIP leadership debate is going to be very interesting, from what a gather Farage still has huge support among the grassroots but the higher you get the less he has (reminds me of another party) Carswell would be a better leader for this age but I just don't see someone as pro-immigration as him being able to garner key support from people who have supported the party with that attitude, Suzanne Evans is the one I would put money on. Dan Hodges has finally dropped his Labour membership as well! - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12051510/Jeremy-Corbyn-has-become-the-Lefts-Enoch-Powell.html?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=97ce781624-happy+hour&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-97ce781624-229965805 Being pro-immigration to a sensible and beneficial level is totally different to being blindly and recklessly irresponsible and allowing this country or the rest of Europe to become awash with terrorists, fundamentalists and/or people of any kind who have no allegiance to this country and it's core, lower "c" Christian values, however badly practiced and promoted at times. I attended the last UKIP conference and thought the speeches more sensible than any I heard in the run up to the election. But I still felt the party itself was a mess - too many opportunist main-chancers jostling for recognition, too little teamwork, too many own goal scorers and too many people given opportunities they clearly didn't deserve yet were accommodated for public consumption and to hell with due process. Farage is a wonderful orator who plays to the audience but there's something missing - perhaps the qualities that inspire loyalty and unbending support. In some ways his oratorial brilliance detracts from the merits of those less verbally gifted and creates irritation. Maybe he could have better concentrated on getting UKIP's policies onto the table in good time but, in fact, the party failed miserably in that vital task and has never recovered, more's the pity. For me they need real, structured and inclusive leadership. Not just a public soundbite specialist.
Guest Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Considering the absolute misery that flooding can bring are Cameron and the rest of the politicians going to continue banging on about syria and IS? Get back to the real world. Bring the trrops home and get them working on rivers and flood defences. Clean up and work on prevention. Winter is Coming!
Webbo Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Considering the absolute misery that flooding can bring are Cameron and the rest of the politicians going to continue banging on about syria and IS? Get back to the real world. Bring the trrops home and get them working on rivers and flood defences. Clean up and work on prevention. Winter is Coming! You ought to work for the Mirror.We've got a few pilots out there and some support staff. Do you really think a pilot is going to be assigned flood defence work? There are troops in Cumbria already. Trying to link the 2 situations is a bit desperate tbh.
MooseBreath Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 I'm a bit surprised the flooding wasn't addressed at the recent climate conference. They agreed not to let the temperature rise by any more than 2c, could they not have also agreed to go easy on Cumbria with the rain? They should get back together and agree to give the region a few days of nice blue skies imo.
Guest Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 You ought to work for the Mirror. We've got a few pilots out there and some support staff. Do you really think a pilot is going to be assigned flood defence work? There are troops in Cumbria already. Trying to link the 2 situations is a bit desperate tbh. Get the troops removing slurry and rubbish from the rivers and the unemployed receiving benefits. If the troops aren't out fighting there earning money for nothing and should be happy for the chance to enhance their muscles. Stop wasting millions flying planes and shooting missiles into a foreign land and spend that on the real defence that the UK needs - flood defence. And Moose you've been wrong for years about global warming and climate change and you've been wrong for years about interfering in middle eastern countries.
MooseBreath Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Dunno about that. The temperature hasn't warmed for 20 years. I've basically never supported our middle east exploits, especially not Blair's criminal 'WMD' crusade. Maybe you're confusing me with somebody else?
Rincewind Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Be thankful this was not your wife daughter sister or any of your close relatives. https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/1934256_1113098778722705_5486905331960387931_n.png?oh=fa0810ab731f217026d8a59340c26a32&oe=5710C20E
SMX11 Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 I'm a bit surprised the flooding wasn't addressed at the recent climate conference. They agreed not to let the temperature rise by any more than 2c, could they not have also agreed to go easy on Cumbria with the rain? They should get back together and agree to give the region a few days of nice blue skies imo. I'm sure they will blame it on CO2 if they haven't done already.
Rincewind Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Get the troops removing slurry and rubbish from the rivers and the unemployed receiving benefits. If the troops aren't out fighting there earning money for nothing and should be happy for the chance to enhance their muscles. Stop wasting millions flying planes and shooting missiles into a foreign land and spend that on the real defence that the UK needs - flood defence. And Moose you've been wrong for years about global warming and climate change and you've been wrong for years about interfering in middle eastern countries. https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015/12/27/osborne-to-rake-in-millions-from-flooding-after-refusing-to-cut-vat-on-flood-repairs/
Thracian Posted 27 December 2015 Posted 27 December 2015 Get the troops removing slurry and rubbish from the rivers and the unemployed receiving benefits. If the troops aren't out fighting there earning money for nothing and should be happy for the chance to enhance their muscles. Stop wasting millions flying planes and shooting missiles into a foreign land and spend that on the real defence that the UK needs - flood defence. And Moose you've been wrong for years about global warming and climate change and you've been wrong for years about interfering in middle eastern countries. The UK needs a lot more defending than just from floods. Unfortunately Middle Eastern countries are impacting on the West as well as their own communities. I was always totally against the Blair bullshit that supposedly justified the war in Iraq, and was entirely against taking revenge as an answer to the Twin Towers attrocity and would have tackled the matter completely differently. But things have evolved drastically since then and I don't think there's a credible option in sitting back and ignoring developments in the Middle East, more's the pity.
Guest Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 I'm a bit surprised the flooding wasn't addressed at the recent climate conference. They agreed not to let the temperature rise by any more than 2c, could they not have also agreed to go easy on Cumbria with the rain? They should get back together and agree to give the region a few days of nice blue skies imo. If only you lived in the north or the south West or a coastal region and not in a concrete jungle you'd see the effects of climate change and you'd lose your fear of unidentified and invisible Muslims for more real fears. The day that London is affected by flooding is the day the govt. will sit up, take notice and begin the 30 year plan to actually protect it's own people. The North is a forgotten wasteland to the southern softies, it's less relevant than northern Afghanistan.
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 If only you lived in the north or the south West or a coastal region and not in a concrete jungle you'd see the effects of climate change and you'd lose your fear of unidentified and invisible Muslims for more real fears. The day that London is affected by flooding is the day the govt. will sit up, take notice and begin the 30 year plan to actually protect it's own people. The North is a forgotten wasteland to the southern softies, it's less relevant than northern Afghanistan. The ones in government may not live in areas affected by floods though. No excuse for not having concerns about how it affects others though. There are a lot of promises flying around with the odd figures slotted in to make it appear that they are doing something I doubt the opposition would be any different if they were in power.
johnny the fox Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 A horse has bolted in Carlisle..Cameron has called a cobra meeting to discuss shutting a stable door...
MooseBreath Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 If only you lived in the north or the south West or a coastal region and not in a concrete jungle you'd see the effects of climate change and you'd lose your fear of unidentified and invisible Muslims for more real fears. The day that London is affected by flooding is the day the govt. will sit up, take notice and begin the 30 year plan to actually protect it's own people. The North is a forgotten wasteland to the southern softies, it's less relevant than northern Afghanistan. If I lived in the North or the South West I'd still laugh at the idea we can control our climate and I'd still struggle to see the impact of supposed climate change. I'm fairly confident of that. If you're attributing these floods to climate change then you're wrong, plain and simple. I don't actually disagree about flood defences. We do need them, and that's why I'm pleased that under this government we're now spending more on flood protection than ever before.
Guest Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 If I lived in the North or the South West I'd still laugh at the idea we can control our climate and I'd still struggle to see the impact of supposed climate change. I'm fairly confident of that. If you're attributing these floods to climate change then you're wrong, plain and simple. I don't actually disagree about flood defences. We do need them, and that's why I'm pleased that under this government we're now spending more on flood protection than ever before. How anyone can be a climate change denier is beyond me. I can assure you that if you did live in those places even you would believe. Climate change is a natural phenomena which is being seriously aggravated by man. The ice caps are melting, the seas are rising the climate in ALL areas of the world are changing. Bury your head. or as NP would say be an Ostrich it won't change the facts.
leicsmac Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 If I lived in the North or the South West I'd still laugh at the idea we can control our climate and I'd still struggle to see the impact of supposed climate change. I'm fairly confident of that. If you're attributing these floods to climate change then you're wrong, plain and simple. I don't actually disagree about flood defences. We do need them, and that's why I'm pleased that under this government we're now spending more on flood protection than ever before. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10661814/Flood-defence-cash-cut-by-250m-despite-PMs-claim.html Are you sure of this?
MooseBreath Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 How anyone can be a climate change denier is beyond me. I can assure you that if you did live in those places even you would believe. Climate change is a natural phenomena which is being seriously aggravated by man. The ice caps are melting, the seas are rising the climate in ALL areas of the world are changing. Bury your head. or as NP would say be an Ostrich it won't change the facts.I'm not denying climate change. Of course the climate changes. I've got family in both the North and the South West, I've been in both over Christmas. There are none of the sensationalised effects of climate change you've read about in the mirror. It has been a mild and wet winter, last year wasn't, a couple of years ago it snowed a lot, next year it will be something different. Maybe, on average, the global temperature will get warmer, maybe it will get colder. It hasn't moved either way for decades, but I'm sure it will change one day. Do we influence it? Probably not by much. Can we control it? Absolutely not.
MooseBreath Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10661814/Flood-defence-cash-cut-by-250m-despite-PMs-claim.html Are you sure of this? Yes check the latest figures.
Guest Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 I'm not denying climate change. Of course the climate changes. I've got family in both the North and the South West, I've been in both over Christmas. There are none of the sensationalised effects of climate change you've read about in the mirror. It has been a mild and wet winter, last year wasn't, a couple of years ago it snowed a lot, next year it will be something different. Maybe, on average, the global temperature will get warmer, maybe it will get colder. It hasn't moved either way for decades, but I'm sure it will change one day. Do we influence it? Probably not by much. Can we control it? Absolutely not. Ostrich. I live on the coast. Blockhauses that used to be on the coast in the 40's are 60m out in the Ocean. 150m of dunes have been taken away in the sea, the Oceans have billions of extra litres of water in them. Those are things I've seen with my own eyes. Throughout the world you can see the climate changes unless you are blind. Of course we can't control it but we can plan for it. The UK have allowed their rivers to silt up, they have built on land that is needed as a natural flood defense, man has tried to control the elements or maybe just ignore them in their own vanity. Now is an ideal time to get the young unemployed and the long term unemployed in the UK working on a long term project to clear the rivers and natural flood plains. A minimum wage, a days work, an increased experience and some self respect replacing benefits with full employment whilst saving the costs of natural desolation.
Webbo Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 Coastal erosion has been going on since we've had coasts, flooding just the same. The fact that every natural occurrence is attributed to global warming by the authorities just makes me more sceptical. If they had a good case they wouldn't need to lie.
leicsmac Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 I'm not denying climate change. Of course the climate changes. I've got family in both the North and the South West, I've been in both over Christmas. There are none of the sensationalised effects of climate change you've read about in the mirror. It has been a mild and wet winter, last year wasn't, a couple of years ago it snowed a lot, next year it will be something different. Maybe, on average, the global temperature will get warmer, maybe it will get colder. It hasn't moved either way for decades, but I'm sure it will change one day. Do we influence it? Probably not by much. Can we control it? Absolutely not. I don't really disagree that much with this. Climate changes, always has and always will, with or without our contribution. And there are some pretty sizeable changes occurring now. However rather than throwing our arms up in the air and letting the Earth roll the dice with the long term future of civilisation perhaps we should instead be looking to undertake more preventative measures, rather than being purely responsive to what Mother Nature decides to throw at us? Yes check the latest figures. Don't suppose you have an easy link do you? Can't find anything that says they're spending more than ever or any data past 2014/15 (which is pretty damn close to present, is it not?)
Guest Posted 28 December 2015 Posted 28 December 2015 Coastal erosion has been going on since we've had coasts, flooding just the same. The fact that every natural occurrence is attributed to global warming by the authorities just makes me more sceptical. If they had a good case they wouldn't need to lie. Says the man living in Syston. :xmaswink:
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