yorkie1999 Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 The only reason we (this country) are showing signs of any care about the environment. Is that we are running out of natural resources and want to level the playing field. If we were in chinas or the russias position we would not give a hoot.Well were not running out of natural resources. We've got approximately 200 years of coal beneath us, and that's what we know about now. Maybe that's the real reason the mines were shut down.
MooseBreath Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 I'm not seeing the evidence of this new energy tech coming on stream in a big way, Moose - not when the Chinese are building new coal plants every other week. Perhaps I should be patient and it will happen in good time, though. I do agree about the guesswork and idiocy surrounding this conference, mind you. My concerns regarding a less carbon based energy future are purely based on visible pollution caused by refining it and how resources are used as a political football. If you haven't seen evidence of it then you either haven't been looking or have unrealistic expectation over the timescales a switch to renewable will be achieved in. Even China have reduced coal usage in recent years and are global leaders in solar power. There is a decent business case for renewable now so capitalism will see it through, not poncy conferences where we pretend we have the power of Gods.
yorkie1999 Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 If you haven't seen evidence of it then you either haven't been looking or have unrealistic expectation over the timescales a switch to renewable will be achieved in. Even China have reduced coal usage in recent years and are global leaders in solar power. There is a decent business case for renewable now so capitalism will see it through, not poncy conferences where we pretend we have the power of Gods. To replace America's electricity needs alone, not including gas coal etc, it will cost 6 trillion dollers and require 150000 5mw wind turbines. It takes 2 months to manufacture and install a 50mw wind farm, or 10 turbines which means it takes a year to install and make 60 or 2500 years to enegize America with wind power. Now I'm not a business man but I'd say that's a long time to see a return on my investment .
Strokes Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 To replace America's electricity needs alone, not including gas coal etc, it will cost 6 trillion dollers and require 150000 5mw wind turbines. It takes 2 months to manufacture and install a 50mw wind farm, or 10 turbines which means it takes a year to install and make 60 or 2500 years to enegize America with wind power. Now I'm not a business man but I'd say that's a long time to see a return on my investment .Can you only do one wind farm at a time then?
yorkie1999 Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 I can wait.Or about the same time it takes to get a pint at the kp
yorkie1999 Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 Can you only do one wind farm at a time then?No but it's an example of just what the requirements will be to energize the world.
davieG Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 We should be cutting fossil fuel use for health reasons, that should be the driving force.
MooseBreath Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 To replace America's electricity needs alone, not including gas coal etc, it will cost 6 trillion dollers and require 150000 5mw wind turbines. It takes 2 months to manufacture and install a 50mw wind farm, or 10 turbines which means it takes a year to install and make 60 or 2500 years to enegize America with wind power. Now I'm not a business man but I'd say that's a long time to see a return on my investment . The return on investment for wind power doesn't depend on all energy coming from wind. You'd start getting a return on your investment as soon as the turbine was up and running.
yorkie1999 Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 The return on investment for wind power doesn't depend on all energy coming from wind. You'd start getting a return on your investment as soon as the turbine was up and running.There won't be a return because no one will invest the sort of capital it's going to take. The only viability is for countries to put the investment in and make it a nationalised asset and that's not going to happen here because we've spent all the money on a failing nhs and lining tony blairs pockets. I think we'd be better off working out how to store electricity for a start because once we can do that properly we don't need to produce as much.
MooseBreath Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 There won't be a return because no one will invest the sort of capital it's going to take. The only viability is for countries to put the investment in and make it a nationalised asset and that's not going to happen here because we've spent all the money on a failing nhs and lining tony blairs pockets. I think we'd be better off working out how to store electricity for a start because once we can do that properly we don't need to produce as much. There are already a lot of wind farms around being ran for profit. You don't need to be providing every bit of energy the country needs before you make a profit. You could install a wind turbine on your roof tomorrow, hook it up to the grid and start seeing a return before christmas. Wind energy will probably only ever be a small part of the energy mix anyway. It's not consistent enough to play a major part unless, like you say storage becomes more efficient.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 F*** these guys http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/13/uk-pushing-for-limits-air-pollution-relaxed-documents-reveal
bovril Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-opposition-leaders-tear-gas-parliament-again-12-14-2015 Kosovo MPs take an interesting approach to parliamentary debate.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 Is that why you are heading there Bov?
bovril Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 No, other reasons. But sounds like shits and giggles to be honest.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 No, other reasons. But sounds like shits and giggles to be honest.It was the wild West when I was there regularly. I had the hugest guy take me around the Serbian enclaves and up to Mitrovica. I was shitting myself.I once ended up at a club that the bank I was with financed. That was a weird night. Treated like a king, drinking the local gin, and dancing in the VIP section. Made me miss single life!
bovril Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 It was the wild West when I was there regularly. I had the hugest guy take me around the Serbian enclaves and up to Mitrovica. I was shitting myself. I once ended up at a club that the bank I was with financed. That was a weird night. Treated like a king, drinking the local gin, and dancing in the VIP section. Made me miss single life! I'm planning to get up to the Serbian enclave. I remember having a similar nightclub experience in Yerevan, Armenia. It's like a crusader fiefdom, everything is owned by about 3 people. Hospitality is insane there, almost to the point of annoying. The guy I who was showing me round was plowing me with drink while I was desperately trying to explain that I had to get a plane the next morning at 8am. His response - "don't worry, I'll call the owner of the club to delay the plane, he owns the airport". Cue me arriving at the airport next morning to find "the 8.10 flight to Istanbul has been delayed by 2 hours due to technical difficulties".
Stadt Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 I want to go to the Balkans but it does sound terrifying at the same time (Croatia and Slovenia don't seem mental though and that's where'd I'd go)
bovril Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I'll show you round Wookie. Fun times would be had by all. Slovenia and Northern Croatia aren't really the Balkans.
Stadt Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I'll show you round Wookie. Fun times would be had by all. Slovenia and Northern Croatia aren't really the Balkans. Your location change, very subtle
theessexfox Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/17/2016-set-to-be-hottest-year-on-record-globally
Guest MattP Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 My favourite MP on Question Time tonight.
MPH Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 To replace America's electricity needs alone, not including gas coal etc, it will cost 6 trillion dollers and require 150000 5mw wind turbines. It takes 2 months to manufacture and install a 50mw wind farm, or 10 turbines which means it takes a year to install and make 60 or 2500 years to enegize America with wind power. Now I'm not a business man but I'd say that's a long time to see a return on my investment . If i know Americans..... " so you prefer oil then? and coal?" " yeah, easy money and easy profit..." " well, have a look at this and the profit you can make these wind turbines if you build this many and order this amount of parts in bulk" " Get dave on the phone, we are switching to wind power". Thats all it would take. Once the building costs come down And once they focused on the production of something they would build it as fast as they wanted to.
Harry - LCFC Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 My favourite MP on Question Time tonight. Can't say I'm that keen on her myself
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