The Politics Thread

[Guest MattP]

I do not like him but I admit I am biased. He comes across as  treating some people as his inferiors and I am not keen on that attribute in a person. I have not met him though so I could be wrong. I am basing it on what he has said in the media and the gaffes he has made.

 

Out of interest what has he said that implies he treats people as inferiors?

 

For me he's never come across like that in anyway and many Tories can't help but do so.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Difficult not to like Boris but he's been a joke figure for over 10 years, I don't doubt he's intelligent (or devious Tory scum depending on your view) but I don't see him going very far in a leadership contest.

[Webbo]

I don't think it's in the tories best interest to have another posh boy as leader. Ideally Said Javid would be the best choice, his back story is just what the tories ought to be about but I don't think enough of the public would vote for, even a non practising,muslim and/or a baldy.

 

That just leaves Teresa May which isn't the most charismatic choice.

[Guest MattP]

I don't think it's in the tories best interest to have another posh boy as leader. Ideally Said Javid would be the best choice, his back story is just what the tories ought to be about but I don't think enough of the public would vote for, even a non practising,muslim and/or a baldy.

 

That just leaves Teresa May which isn't the most charismatic choice.

 

Boris is the best selection by a mile in the eyes of public popularity, every poll indicates that, this is a man who won London, solid Labour territory so left wing they voted Ken Livingstone. That said if Corbyn somehow holds out until 2020 we could whack up IDS again and manage to win.

 

Javid will probably be looking more at the role of chancellor in the 2020-25 government.

 

A female leader is never a bad choice though, women like voting for women, it would heap shame on Labour as well given they are still waiting for their first female leader 30+ years after the Tories last one.

[Webbo]

Boris doesn't strike me as a team player and imo his buffoon act is undignified for someone who seeks to lead.

[Guest MattP]

It appears Pat McFaddon has been sacked for refusing to blame terrorist attacks on the West.

Also Emily Thornberry will now be saluting the flag as shadow defence secretary.

Genuinely starting to wonder if Corbyn is deliberately tearing this party to bits.

[Guest MattP]

Pat McFadden has issued a statement:

 

I accepted the post of shadow Europe minister because Britain’s future in the EU is of crucial importance, particularly when the

Conservatives

are so divided on the issue.

I hope Labour retains its strong and clear position to campaign for the United Kingdom in the EU.

Tonight Mr Corbyn has told me he does not want me to continue to serve on his front bench, in particular because of questions I asked about terrorism and national security in the Commons statement following the Paris terrorist attacks.

It is his prerogative to decide his front bench team and I will continue to support and work for Labour in any way I can.

 

 

 

This is what he said, saying this is now a sackable offence in the Labour party.

 

May I ask the prime minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do?

 

Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut.

 

Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.

 

 

Absolutely baffling.

[leicsmac]

 

Pat McFadden has issued a statement:

 

I accepted the post of shadow Europe minister because Britain’s future in the EU is of crucial importance, particularly when the

Conservatives

are so divided on the issue.

I hope Labour retains its strong and clear position to campaign for the United Kingdom in the EU.

Tonight Mr Corbyn has told me he does not want me to continue to serve on his front bench, in particular because of questions I asked about terrorism and national security in the Commons statement following the Paris terrorist attacks.

It is his prerogative to decide his front bench team and I will continue to support and work for Labour in any way I can.

 

 

 

This is what he said, saying this is now a sackable offence in the Labour party.

 

 

 

Absolutely baffling.

 

 

It does oversimplify the issue. Yes, the West has had its hand in Middle Eastern politics to no good end for far too long which gives the inspiration for the power crazy mullahs over there to brainwash young men and women into commiting terrible acts, but that brainwashing and lust for power is entirely the responsibility of the madmen over there who think that killing in the name of a god will bring themselves more power and influence. And the really sad thing? It seems to.

 

As always, the issue is somewhere in the middle.

[Guest MattP]

To be honest I wasn't really judging the merits of what he said, I was wondering if anyone believes what he said should really be a sackable offence?

 

Even more so in this new kinder listen to everyone politics age.

[Guest MattP]

Cool, a live resignation from Team Corbyn on Daily Politics. (Jonathan Reynolds)

[Guest MattP]

Kevin Jones has also just resigned as well, could be a few over the next few days.

 

Stephen Doughty resigned earlier today.

[Webbo]

Kevin Jones has also just resigned as well, could be a few over the next few days.

 

Stephen Doughty resigned earlier today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5gw_3xHzLg

[leicsmac]

Yeah, Labour appear to be imploding faster than a high-energy neutron star.

[Guest]

I don't think it's in the tories best interest to have another posh boy as leader. Ideally Said Javid would be the best choice, his back story is just what the tories ought to be about but I don't think enough of the public would vote for, even a non practising,muslim and/or a baldy.

 

That just leaves Teresa May which isn't the most charismatic choice.

 

I think we'll see another woman pm before we see a non-white pm. Sadly.

[Guest]

 

Pat McFadden has issued a statement:

 

I accepted the post of shadow Europe minister because Britain’s future in the EU is of crucial importance, particularly when the

Conservatives

are so divided on the issue.

I hope Labour retains its strong and clear position to campaign for the United Kingdom in the EU.

Tonight Mr Corbyn has told me he does not want me to continue to serve on his front bench, in particular because of questions I asked about terrorism and national security in the Commons statement following the Paris terrorist attacks.

It is his prerogative to decide his front bench team and I will continue to support and work for Labour in any way I can.

 

 

 

This is what he said, saying this is now a sackable offence in the Labour party.

 

 

 

Absolutely baffling.

 

 

Don't you think the term "sacking offense" is a little over the top and has your blue skirt showing?

 

It's a re-shuffle. All party leaders do it.

Yeah, Labour appear to be imploding faster than a high-energy neutron star.

 

And a new, new labour can rise from the ashes! 

[Guest MattP]

Don't you think the term "sacking offense" is a little over the top and has your blue skirt showing?

 

It's a re-shuffle. All party leaders do it.

 

Not at all, his own words were "I've been sacked for...."

 

To be honest more concerning is the appointment of Emily Thornberry, the first shadow defence secretary who hates her own flag.

 

It's just the same shit under a different banner this, a load of North London middle class lefties piling around a North London middle class leader.

[Guest MattP]

Yeah, Labour appear to be imploding faster than a high-energy neutron star.

 

Hilarious to watch in the short term, bad for the country though in the long term, one party states are never good and governments need opposition to hold it to account.

 

It's amazing how easy the Tories are having it given we've had Syria, tax credit cuts and the floods in the last few months. Who on earth is going to believe Corbyn would act faster on the floods when it took him over 30 hours to move three people in his cabinet?

[Guest]

Not at all, his own words were "I've been sacked for...."

 

To be honest more concerning is the appointment of Emily Thornberry, the first shadow defence secretary who hates her own flag.

 

It's just the same shit under a different banner this, a load of North London middle class lefties piling around a North London middle class leader.

 

There you are probably right but I don't think liking your flag has any real link to being a good defence secretary let alone being a good shadow defence secretary.

 

The New Zealanders don't like their flag but it doesn't stop them from playing Rugby well.

Hilarious to watch in the short term, bad for the country though in the long term, one party states are never good and governments need opposition to hold it to account.

 

It's amazing how easy the Tories are having it given we've had Syria, tax credit cuts and the floods in the last few months. Who on earth is going to believe Corbyn would act faster on the floods when it took him over 30 hours to move three people in his cabinet?

 

Does it really matter until the run-up to an election?

[Darkon84]

It might not matter whether she likes the flag or is a snob over it or not, but it's perhaps a bit off that the new Shadow Defence Minister accepted thousands of pounds from a disgraced law firm who hounded and sued British soldiers over unlawful torture claims. I doubt she'll get much backing from the servicemen/women.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12084846/David-Cameron-Questions-to-answer-over-Emily-Thornberrys-links-to-condemned-law-firm-Leigh-Day.html

[Guest MattP]

Does it really matter until the run-up to an election?

 

Yeah of course it does, people makes up their minds on a leader quite quickly, even when Labour were doing well in polls people still thought Miliband was shit as as usual when we got to polling day people didn't vote for someone they didn't like as a leader.

 

Corbyn is already finished in reality, it's just how much damage he does between now and when he leaves as to how much of a force the Labour party can ever be again.

 

It might not matter whether she likes the flag or is a snob over it or not, but it's perhaps a bit off that the new Shadow Defence Minister accepted thousands of pounds from a disgraced law firm who hounded and sued British soldiers over unlawful torture claims. I doubt she'll get much backing from the servicemen/women.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12084846/David-Cameron-Questions-to-answer-over-Emily-Thornberrys-links-to-condemned-law-firm-Leigh-Day.html

 

Wow, was reading about "Leigh Day" yesterday, what an absolutely disgraceful firm, chasing around people to try and bring cases against their own nation's soldiers for there own financial gain even when they know there is little or no truth to them, no wonder people have the impressions about lawyers they do. Makes the appointment a little more bizarre.

 

Her relationship with the forces would make Jeremy Hunt and the Junior Doctors look like lovers.

[Strokes]

I think we'll see another woman pm before we see a non-white pm. Sadly.

Why sadly?

[Guest MattP]

Thoughts on Laura Kuenssberg?

[Vacamion]

Thoughts on Laura Kuenssberg?

Obvs find the accent attractive.

She's clearly a sharp cookie. Been following her on Twitter for quite a while.

What's not to like?

[Guest MattP]

Same. Twitter becoming hilarious tonight, Actual serving Labour MP's falling out and blocking each other. Richard Burgon called a cnut by a colleague and Doughty who resigned retweeting the Newport MP Flynn who deleted a tweet calling him a nobody earlier (whilst strangely quoting Hitler).

 

Jonathan Reynolds now calling out Diane Abbott saying she's a sell out for sending her kids to private school after she just said he should look at himself as he only was a special advisor on Newsnight.

 

This new politics is brilliant. I'd do anything to get into the next PLP meeting. Imagine if he had got rid of Benn?

[Footballwipe]

You have to ask what Corbyn is doing still there. Forget the "mandate to lead" from the masses, he's successfully managed to turn the party into a warring organisation where JC supporters to be spiteful and vindictive to anyone who doesn't toe the line or agree with JC himself.

 

Labour are absolutely nobbled. Either JC carries on with this mess for the next four-and-a-half years and they end up with 150 seats in the 2020 election, or they get rid of him and lose all of the Corbyn supporters to another party because they so blindly followed him.

 

Of course there's an argument to say that Labour MPs should be stacking behind this man, supporting him and getting the message of their leader (and the majority of the labour 'membership') across; problem is they all know that he has absolutely no chance of leading them to victory in 2020. Not a chance. Problem for any successor is that they're probably going to have to spend a year repairing this mess.

 

For a staunch PLP veteran it feels like he's got 32 years of anguish bottled up and unleashing his revenge.

 

Can anyone really see him lasting till the end of this year? And are we taking sweepstakes on how long it'll be before we see some floor crossing if not?