Keep Ranieri

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

Hold on this integrity talk. There's information coming out from a journalist who we usually take as gospel that he overlooked, ignored suggestions of Steve Walsh and he is slowly making Shakespeare take a back seat. Given what the two of them have done for our club, where the hell was his integrity then? It's all bullshit. The problem with this season is that ranieri tried to manage, he should've stuck to a plan put in place by someone else and not thought about it.

[Guest Col city fan]

7 minutes ago, CKB said:

I felt VERY uncomfortable with what was happening

 

Yes they had won the title but it was still handled wrong. The board panicked and just handed out contracts like they were going out of style! 

 

The trouble though is we never had the set up behind the scenes like a Southampton do, to say ok we will sell you and get someone either as good or better in. So we just paid them what they wanted

 

Our whole structure is awful, we need a complete new way. We need to look at what Southampton do as a role model imo. They don't get ruled by players! They have a fantastic set up

 

 

I've just looked back through the 'Vardy signs a new four year contract'. I shan't bump it, and the mods will probably bin it anyway.

However, it makes for interesting reading. Joy abound.

[SpinneyHillRanger]

I don't mind whatever happens.... We should not sack Ranieri. If it gets so bad that he can't rectify it, I believe he is good enough and dignified to leave by himself.

 

My main problem are these arsejole players who are on 3-5 year mega contracts yet being in their 30s or well past their best.

 

No one is really going to want to buy them for much and they would rather hang on and collect a big pay cheque everyweek in the championship. They don't care they've achieved far more than they would have imagined in football..... And that's the problem right there..... We dug our own grave by splashing the dosh and killing our team unity

[Kitchandro]

1 minute ago, inckley fox said:

It's too simplistic: The players turned on the heroic Ranieri, which was unfair, so it's wrong that he be fired. It's like a Trump tweet.

 

Firstly, because the only information we have is a smattering of rumours, some of which don't reflect very nicely on Ranieri either. There's nothing which warrants Vardy being referred to as a 'scrubber' and 'lower class person', as some on here have, on the basis that he was probably (but almost definitely not) leaking stories to the press.

 

Secondly, because Ranieri has made countless dreadful decisions this season which could understandably lead to players losing faith in his judgement.

 

And thirdly, because a lot of the more aggressive attacks seem to be coloured by a belief that Ranieri won the title for the players, as if they were just passive observers. The statue of Ranieri could just as justifiably be a statue of Morgan and Huth, or Vardy, or Mahrez, or Drinkwater and Kante. How many of those names have I seen vilified on here this year (often by the same posters), going right back to June and July, in some cases? And often because of wild assumptions. Now we're casting them as the villains again.

 

If you expect footballers to be the sorts you'd have round for a chess tournament or introduce to Mum then obviously you're going to be disappointed. But this is the business Ranieri is in and, as unfair as it seems to all of us right now, he can't alter the nature of the footballer. We don't know who's gone beyond the pale, or how. So why are we pitting Ranieri against the players in an imaginary grudge match, replete with an imaginary act of treachery when, in truth, we haven't got the faintest clue who is to blame, nor what for?

 

What we do know is that a heroic set of players and a heroic manager have been mostly pathetic this season. If our priority is to stay up, rather than to 'keep dreaming', then that clearly has to change.

Players can't win titles by themselves. What it is fair to say is that Ranieri took a group of players and organised them in such a way so that they won the title. This is pretty much the same group of players who vastly underachieved the season before.

 

Now, whatever you think of this season, it is clear that the club and the players owe him more than anyone. Because all evidence suggests that that squad, whilst much better than the position we find ourselves in now, were not obvious title winners.

 

That's why he warranted a statue, one which may never see the light of day largely because these players downed tools. And whatever you think Claudio's faults or rumours of this and that behind closed doors; it cannot be denied that the commitment hasn't been there from the players. Which can never be excused, no matter who the manager is. And that's why, for me, they can never have a statue.

 

Claudio can be accused of incompetence but I've not seen any reason his commitment should come into question.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Hold on this integrity talk. There's information coming out from a journalist who we usually take as gospel that he overlooked, ignored suggestions of Steve Walsh and he is slowly making Shakespeare take a back seat. Given what the two of them have done for our club, where the hell was his integrity then? It's all bullshit. The problem with this season is that ranieri tried to manage, he should've stuck to a plan put in place by someone else and not thought about it.

This.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

5 minutes ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

I don't mind whatever happens.... We should not sack Ranieri. If it gets so bad that he can't rectify it, I believe he is good enough and dignified to leave by himself.

 

My main problem are these arsejole players who are on 3-5 year mega contracts yet being in their 30s or well past their best.

 

No one is really going to want to buy them for much and they would rather hang on and collect a big pay cheque everyweek in the championship. They don't care they've achieved far more than they would have imagined in football..... And that's the problem right there..... We dug our own grave by splashing the dosh and killing our team unity

Just on your first paragraph. Please remind me when Mr integrity ever quit a job he ever messed up on? He made the Greek FA pay him after he lost to the sodding Faroe Islands for god sake. Inter? Juve maybe? No? 

 

People lap up these interviews. This I'm so innocent persona. He's as ruthless as anyone else in this world. He won't leave till he gets a massive pay off. 

[sm1]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Hold on this integrity talk. There's information coming out from a journalist who we usually take as gospel that he overlooked, ignored suggestions of Steve Walsh and he is slowly making Shakespeare take a back seat. Given what the two of them have done for our club, where the hell was his integrity then? It's all bullshit. The problem with this season is that ranieri tried to manage, he should've stuck to a plan put in place by someone else and not thought about it.

Doesn't surprise me at all. Explains our dreadful recruitment in the summer and the fact that Shakey & Claudio barely talk anymore.

[volpeazzurro]

31 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Once again..,how many people on here batted an eyelid when these contracts were being handed out?

I raised this point when they were being handed out...along the lines of WE were now doing what we'd criticised other clubs for doing.

Indeed, many people, if I remember, commended the revised and improved contracts saying that the players deserved them.

Now, people are suggesting, the club was wrong to do this.

Hows that for hypocrisy.

Agreed. For those of us old enough it's not the first time,  remember Peter Taylor?  Vardy at nearly 30, a player relying mainly on pace was never worth 3yrs at £100,000+ a week! He was replaceable. Kante and Marhez at the time for other reasons might have been worth it. Schmeichel also deserved a raise but huge money to any of the others at that stage was poor business. Vardy and Drinkwater had just had 1 good season. Ulloa for example was happy enough to accept the huge payrise when he came to us and where else was he ever going to get such pay and a medal? Most of these players were journeymen and Leicester City, albeit with much effort on their part, made their careers. Some of them have made the mistake of thinking that they are highly talented sought after footballers. They're not. 

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Players can't win titles by themselves. What it is fair to say is that Ranieri took a group of players and organised them in such a way so that they won the title. This is pretty much the same group of players who vastly underachieved the season before.

 

Now, whatever you think of this season, it is clear that the club and the players owe him more than anyone. Because all evidence suggests that that squad, whilst much better than the position we find ourselves in now, were not obvious title winners.

 

That's why he warranted a statue, one which may never see the light of day largely because these players downed tools. And whatever you think Claudio's faults or rumours of this and that behind closed doors; it cannot be denied that the commitment hasn't been there from the players. Which can never be excused, no matter who the manager is. And that's why, for me, they can never have a statue.

 

Claudio can be accused of incompetence but I've not seen any reason his commitment should come into question.

I agree with a lot of your sentiments, and I think the upshot of his sacking - regardless of what came next - would be a stain on the club's and the players' names, more so than on Ranieri.

 

I wouldn't argue against him deserving a statue either, definitely not.

 

Personally, I think that on some occasions we've mistaken bewilderment, or lack of belief, for a lack of effort in the players; and he has played a part in that with his decision making.

 

I'd also add that, no, the players were not obvious title winners, but neither was Ranieri. I know he'd challenged for titles before, but the widely-held belief was that he was the wrong choice. And, of course, people will point out that they already had momentum going for them when Ranieri arrived, so the role of the players and other staff members was perhaps a bit bigger than you're suggesting. The comparisons with Taylor I've seen are beyond absurd, but he did (on two occasions) serve as proof that what happens at the end of one season has a huge impact on the next.

 

Where I'd really differ with you, I suspect, is that I think the club may find itself choosing between something which seems morally right, but effectively guarantees failure, and something which seems wrong, but gives us a better chance of further success. I'd prefer it not to come to that, but I can easily see the sense in making a change.

[SpinneyHillRanger]

2 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just on your first paragraph. Please remind me when Mr integrity ever quit a job he ever messed up on? He made the Greek FA pay him after he lost to the sodding Faroe Islands for god sake. Inter? Juve maybe? No? 

 

People lap up these interviews. This I'm so innocent persona. He's as ruthless as anyone else in this world. He won't leave till he gets a massive pay off. 

At least Ranieri is trying to do his job. He is motivated and knows his reputation is on the line. All the accolades he's received will be washed diluted with failure. He faces up to the media - even though he comes across as clueless many times... To me I see man who is at least showing some emotion or 'fight' as he would put it. 

 

His reputation is on the line so he has to be motivated to do something for the team. What I'm saying is from all the team - logically speaking we would have to say he has to have some motivation for us to do well.

 

The same can't be said about the players....

 

Kasper?- knows if we go down other PL teams will be in for him. Probably has relegation clauses in his new mega contract handed out in the summer too. If we go down he doesn't lose much.

 

Fuchs? In his thirties, was lucky to play in the PL+CL for two seasons when he joined he wanted to go to USA, but now is on a big contract.

 

Simpson ? -drives around sports car when doing his community service. Appears on TV shows at any opportunity. Love's the fame, has a better contract that he has ever thought he could get. Has won the PL what more can he do in football. No motivation to do well.

 

Huth and Morgan both in their thirties and lost more than a yard of pace. Both out of form. But both handed long contracts according to their ages. Set for a nice retirment fund. No motivation for us to do well. Maybe Morgan as captain could be a bit embarrassed, but he shamelessly hasn't taken a rest for two years now. He needs to realise what's best for LCFC.

 

Same goes for okazaki, Albrighton, Drinkwater.

 

Mahrez and vardy issues are well known too.

 

My point, none of the players or spine of the team are showing the motivation they should be. At least with Ranieri we know he is motivated for us to do well. It's the players who have left him down and stabbed him in the back, so they can get someone who they like. Spoilt brats that they are - Kasper, Morgan and drinky take the lion share of the blame there

 

 

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

At least Ranieri is trying to do his job. He is motivated and knows his reputation is on the line. All the accolades he's received will be washed diluted with failure. He faces up to the media - even though he comes across as clueless many times... To me I see man who is at least showing some emotion or 'fight' as he would put it. 

 

His reputation is on the line so he has to be motivated to do something for the team. What I'm saying is from all the team - logically speaking we would have to say he has to have some motivation for us to do well.

 

The same can't be said about the players....

 

Kasper?- knows if we go down other PL teams will be in for him. Probably has relegation clauses in his new mega contract handed out in the summer too. If we go down he doesn't lose much.

 

Fuchs? In his thirties, was lucky to play in the PL+CL for two seasons when he joined he wanted to go to USA, but now is on a big contract.

 

Simpson ? -drives around sports car when doing his community service. Appears on TV shows at any opportunity. Love's the fame, has a better contract that he has ever thought he could get. Has won the PL what more can he do in football. No motivation to do well.

 

Huth and Morgan both in their thirties and lost more than a yard of pace. Both out of form. But both handed long contracts according to their ages. Set for a nice retirment fund. No motivation for us to do well. Maybe Morgan as captain could be a bit embarrassed, but he shamelessly hasn't taken a rest for two years now. He needs to realise what's best for LCFC.

 

Same goes for okazaki, Albrighton, Drinkwater.

 

Mahrez and vardy issues are well known too.

 

My point, none of the players or spine of the team are showing the motivation they should be. At least with Ranieri we know he is motivated for us to do well. It's the players who have left him down and stabbed him in the back, so they can get someone who they like. Spoilt brats that they are - Kasper, Morgan and drinky take the lion share of the blame there

 

 

How do you know those three players take the lion share of the blame? We have no idea who was right and wrong, all we have is a handful of rumours, many of which don't reflect too well on Ranieri either. As for those three, surely Schmeichel has been one of our best (and apparently 'motivated') performers this year. We don't know what's gone on behind the scenes but a player disagreeing with a manager isn't a reason to hate a player who's done so well for us. None of them, Ranieri included, have covered themselves in any glory this year.

 

And unlike you, I've got no idea how much time and energy he devotes to his job in comparison with other managers, or even in comparison with himself last year. If players find him 'aloof' and he suggests that people who have a problem with him go to the board (as opposed to him) then maybe he could do more, who knows? My point being that you're getting worked up and coming to all sorts of conclusions based on a series of assumptions. And taking sides in the great war between our heroic best ever manager and our heroic best ever team, without having a clue what's happened, seems ridiculous to me.

[SpinneyHillRanger]

1 minute ago, inckley fox said:

How do you know those three players take the lion share of the blame? We have no idea who was right and wrong, all we have is a handful of rumours, many of which don't reflect too well on Ranieri either. As for those three, surely Schmeichel has been one of our best (and apparently 'motivated') performers this year. We don't know what's gone on behind the scenes but a player disagreeing with a manager isn't a reason to hate a player who's done so well for us. None of them, Ranieri included, have covered themselves in any glory this year.

 

And unlike you, I've got no idea how much time and energy he devotes to his job in comparison with other managers, or even in comparison with himself last year. If players find him 'aloof' and he suggests that people who have a problem with him go to the board (as opposed to him) then maybe he could do more, who knows? My point being that you're getting worked up and coming to all sorts of conclusions based on a series of assumptions. And taking sides in the great war between our heroic best ever manager and our heroic best ever team, without having a clue what's happened, seems ridiculous to me.

The proof is on the pitch. Players are walking around looking clueless. These are professional players who have previously won the PL. Some are internationals. How can they get confused playing a new formation?

 

To me, it's clear they don't want to play a new formation and have no respect for the managers opinions. They'd rather walk around the pitch smack arse faced (Drinkwater) pretending it's not their fault. To me that's as bad as ulloa and payer saying they don't want to play. Ranieri is motivated and commited. The players have wrongly thought they have enough power to force the owner's hand. Ranieri has basically told them to man up and see the chairman if they think they can.

 

I'm backing Ranieri in this fight. The players (Morgan, Kasper) should be putting the dressing room dissent straight instead of encouraging a revolt out on the pitch.

 

If the players can't play the way Ranieri wants, he should have been allowed to buy new players and sack these mercenaries

[NeilLCFC]

57 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Hold on this integrity talk. There's information coming out from a journalist who we usually take as gospel that he overlooked, ignored suggestions of Steve Walsh and he is slowly making Shakespeare take a back seat. Given what the two of them have done for our club, where the hell was his integrity then? It's all bullshit. The problem with this season is that ranieri tried to manage, he should've stuck to a plan put in place by someone else and not thought about it.

Realised this months ago but got slated or banned whenever I mentioned it.

 

THingis started to go wrong when CR started to do things his way. You're spot on, last season was a product of plans put in place by someone else and now Claudio is following his own plan, we're facing relegation. 

 

Say what you want about about the players, but are they also responsible for our disastrous recruitment? Are they the reason Walsh left etc? A lot of these player have been with us since the championship, and always faught and gave their all for this club. They simply aren't sure what the manager wants them to do anymore, and it's pretty clear Claudio doesn't have a clue either

 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

13 minutes ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

At least Ranieri is trying to do his job. He is motivated and knows his reputation is on the line. All the accolades he's received will be washed diluted with failure. He faces up to the media - even though he comes across as clueless many times... To me I see man who is at least showing some emotion or 'fight' as he would put it. 

 

His reputation is on the line so he has to be motivated to do something for the team. What I'm saying is from all the team - logically speaking we would have to say he has to have some motivation for us to do well.

 

The same can't be said about the players....

 

Kasper?- knows if we go down other PL teams will be in for him. Probably has relegation clauses in his new mega contract handed out in the summer too. If we go down he doesn't lose much.

 

Fuchs? In his thirties, was lucky to play in the PL+CL for two seasons when he joined he wanted to go to USA, but now is on a big contract.

 

Simpson ? -drives around sports car when doing his community service. Appears on TV shows at any opportunity. Love's the fame, has a better contract that he has ever thought he could get. Has won the PL what more can he do in football. No motivation to do well.

 

Huth and Morgan both in their thirties and lost more than a yard of pace. Both out of form. But both handed long contracts according to their ages. Set for a nice retirment fund. No motivation for us to do well. Maybe Morgan as captain could be a bit embarrassed, but he shamelessly hasn't taken a rest for two years now. He needs to realise what's best for LCFC.

 

Same goes for okazaki, Albrighton, Drinkwater.

 

Mahrez and vardy issues are well known too.

 

My point, none of the players or spine of the team are showing the motivation they should be. At least with Ranieri we know he is motivated for us to do well. It's the players who have left him down and stabbed him in the back, so they can get someone who they like. Spoilt brats that they are - Kasper, Morgan and drinky take the lion share of the blame there

 

 

You do remember that Claudio took a massive pay rise like everyone else this summer? 

 

You blame the the players but he gets off completely free of charge. 

 

Look ok at his career. The amount of ****s ups is ridiculous yet he is always sacked. Always taking a massive pay off. Chelsea, Valencia (corradi anyone??), Inter, Juve, Roma etc. He won't go till he gets his money. In that respect, he is smart man. 

 

His is treatment of his English coaching stuff is borderline insulting. We got Kante last year by default. He want Mendy! He ignored Walsh for so many months. Now considering Mendy didn't even make the squad today, I'd say he himself knows he is wrong. 

 

Why hey mess up a good thing. The players look lethargic void of ideas. So why treat Shakespeare with so much disdain? As coach he has been getting the best out of these guys. 

 

He he may be working hard. But there's working hard and working smart. 

 

He wants it his way, his way doesn't work. So stop letting him be an innocent bystander in the chaos he has contributed to.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Realised this months ago but got slated or banned whenever I mentioned it

My mother always told me, sweet talk will make a snake seem like a gentle creature. He reminds me of Martinez, shit performance, great interview and all is forgotton. For those feeling bad for Ranieri the feeling should be there for Shakespeare too. 

[SpinneyHillRanger]

Look from Ranieri point of view - he is the one in charge, not shaky, not Walsh and certainly not Pearson.

 

Why should he have to submit to their opinions. His decision Should be final. He won the league based on his formulae. 

 

Now this season for a variety of reasons that formulae needed to change... Change it has... But the players didn't embrace it and the English coaching staff seem to have played him by encouraging a revolt with the players. I don't blame Ranieri for being stubborn. He's paid to do team tactics and the players are paid to follow them... One set of money grab era are not doing their job

[Koke]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

If anyone thinks Kasper will stay if we get relegated, they are deluded. Don't forget who he was brought up with. Imagine having the likes of Cantona showing up at the front door, to see your Dad.

He's a very ambitious man and an excellent keeper. For al, those people banging on about keeping Ranieri whatever, you may get your wish. If this team is relegated, it will be decimated. Should this happen,  I hope it will be what you wanted and you don't fookin whine when we are playing away at Burton Albion next season.

 

If we go down with Ranieri I have zero faith in him rebuilding the squad and get us promoted.  His signings are uninspiring and and his tactics are bizarre. Even if we miraculously stay up with him I still think it's time for him to go. Sadly. 

 

 

[NeilLCFC]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

My mother always told me, sweet talk will make a snake seem like a gentle creature. He reminds me of Martinez, shit performance, great interview and all is forgotton. For those feeling bad for Ranieri the feeling should be there for Shakespeare too. 

No doubt loads on here were dazzled by the fact we had a manager that wore a suit and gave a great interview! 

 

Sadly a great interview doesn't get you out of a relegation dog fight. 

[TMELcfc]

What Geoff Peters has been putting on Twitter worries me... If true I'm afraid the only thing that can help change our fortunes his for him to leave, because you can't sack the players 

[NeilLCFC]

17 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You do remember that Claudio took a massive pay rise like everyone else this summer? 

 

You blame the the players but he gets off completely free of charge. 

 

Look ok at his career. The amount of ****s ups is ridiculous yet he is always sacked. Always taking a massive pay off. Chelsea, Valencia (corradi anyone??), Inter, Juve, Roma etc. He won't go till he gets his money. In that respect, he is smart man. 

 

His is treatment of his English coaching stuff is borderline insulting. We got Kante last year by default. He want Mendy! He ignored Walsh for so many months. Now considering Mendy didn't even make the squad today, I'd say he himself knows he is wrong. 

 

Why hey mess up a good thing. The players look lethargic void of ideas. So why treat Shakespeare with so much disdain? As coach he has been getting the best out of these guys. 

 

He he may be working hard. But there's working hard and working smart. 

 

He wants it his way, his way doesn't work. So stop letting him be an innocent bystander in the chaos he has contributed to.

Another excellent post Micky!

 

Ive always found it so odd that CR has managed some huge teams but never won a major league but goes on to do it with Leicester City of all teams. Coincidence? I think not! Just backs up that point that last season was the result of him following someone else plans!

 

If it was down to CR, we wouldn't have won the league - he didn't want to sign Kantè!

[chicagofox]

2 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Claudio Ranieri has never turned on his players and deserves great credit for this, some of the players performances do not deserve credit 

No he absolutely does not.  It was refreshing to hear Big Sam publicly criticize his players yesterday.  Mourinho came out this week and called some players out.  Yet our shower go out and embarrass themselves yet again for the umpteenth game in a row and Ranieri uses the same tired BS about "fighting" and "belief".  ****ing call a spade a spade man and dress them down publicly.

[fuchsntf]

13 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You do remember that Claudio took a massive pay rise like everyone else this summer? 

 

You blame the the players but he gets off completely free of charge. 

 

Look ok at his career. The amount of ****s ups is ridiculous yet he is always sacked. Always taking a massive pay off. Chelsea, Valencia (corradi anyone??), Inter, Juve, Roma etc. He won't go till he gets his money. In that respect, he is smart man. 

 

His is treatment of his English coaching stuff is borderline insulting. We got Kante last year by default. He want Mendy! He ignored Walsh for so many months. Now considering Mendy didn't even make the squad today, I'd say he himself knows he is wrong. 

 

Why hey mess up a good thing. The players look lethargic void of ideas. So why treat Shakespeare with so much disdain? As coach he has been getting the best out of these guys. 

 

He he may be working hard. But there's working hard and working smart. 

 

He wants it his way, his way doesn't work. So stop letting him be an innocent bystander in the chaos he has contributed to.

Nothing I really want to argue with..but many have the notion that Walsh was the bees knees.

Well he had a good period with LCFC, but it wasnt all clear sailing with his responsibilities either   .

Claudio successes or failures, why this silly argument on his career, how many other good managers have

had ups and downs, at his level..How many super successfull managers have there been..

How many of got the sack and been thrown out..??? 

Nearly every one of them...Too many posters making ridiculous statements and trying to compare,

Success and failure, in football management, where one could say they are all doomed to a life

of front-line inadequecies.We were never going to attract the considered  Super management elite, but then

again they all come with baggage, of success and failures..Mouinho, Klopp, O'neil, Rehagel, Wenger, Capello..etc etc

I see noway that his footballing career has been a failure...

Take this forum..when v we were looking for an NP replacement, suggestions from the Whole  of this forum , Put up only 3rd rate Candidates.

You take Ferguson, he only had UK success, and with Manutd backing only got his teams,

to the top on a couple of occasions (europe), they never had continual success like RMadrid, Bayern, or Juventus....Ditto for Wenger, (No cl success)but neither can be classed as real  failures. 

Too many people trying to make nothing of others careers...comes strange to me.

If I was in Football management, I would be more than satisfied with either  Claudios/Klopps/

Nps/Dyche/Hughes/Koeman mixed management  careers.

Silly bitching over success and failure Comparisons has no foundations.

 

By the way IMO you also had some top posts this weekend...So we agree on some things and not others.I admit to being a plonker, so I have a great excuse..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

Look from Ranieri point of view - he is the one in charge, not shaky, not Walsh and certainly not Pearson.

 

Why should he have to submit to their opinions. His decision Should be final. He won the league based on his formulae. 

 

Now this season for a variety of reasons that formulae needed to change... Change it has... But the players didn't embrace it and the English coaching staff seem to have played him by encouraging a revolt with the players. I don't blame Ranieri for being stubborn. He's paid to do team tactics and the players are paid to follow them... One set of money grab era are not doing their job

I'm sorry but I don't agree with that way at looking at it. On one hand people argue that Claudio isn't to blame because he doesn't have full control and then the argument is put forward that he does have control but no one follows it. 

 

You hit the nail on the head his formula doesn't work. 

 

Motivation - non existent.

player recruitment - incompetent. Inler, benalouanne, Mendy etc.

tactics - what tactics?

player cohesion - they get off the bus together and that's about it.

 

If he can't get these things right, he can't do the job and if he can't get the players to do their job he is no longer managing them. Basically, he can't justify his salary. 

 

He should leave on his own accord but history shows he won't. He's formula has not worked for a major part of his career. He can't seem to shake off the major drop in form combined with the monumental tactical catastrophes which occur over and over again. Just watch a re-run of the Chelsea v Monaco champions league semi and its like watching us this season. 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

22 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Nothing I really want to argue with..but many have the notion that Walsh was the bees knees.

Well he had a good period with LCFC, but it wasnt all clear sailing with his responsibilities either   .

Claudio successes or failures, why this silly argument on his career, how many other good managers have

had ups and downs, at his level..How many super successfull managers have there been..

How many of got the sack and been thrown out..??? 

Nearly every one of them...Too many posters making ridiculous statements and trying to compare,

Success and failure, in football management, where one could say they are all doomed to a life

of front-line inadequecies.We were never going to attract the considered  Super management elite, but then

again they all come with baggage, of success and failures..Mouinho, Klopp, O'neil, Rehagel, Wenger, Capello..etc etc

I see noway that his footballing career has been a failure...

Take this forum..when v we were looking for an NP replacement, suggestions from the Whole  of this forum , Put up only 3rd rate Candidates.

You take Ferguson, he only had UK success, and with Manutd backing only got his teams,

to the top on a couple of occasions (europe), they never had continual success like RMadrid, Bayern, or Juventus....Ditto for Wenger, (No cl success)but neither can be classed as real  failures. 

Too many people trying to make nothing of others careers...comes strange to me.

If I was in Football management, I would be more than satisfied with either  Claudios/Klopps/

Nps/Dyche/Hughes/Koeman mixed management  careers.

Silly bitching over success and failure Comparisons has no foundations.

 

By the way IMO you also had some top posts this weekend...So we agree on some things and not others.I admit to being a plonker, so I have a great excuse..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I get what you're saying but my point is, that his mistakes (I'd rather call them habits). Seem to reappear time and time again. 

 

Chelsea - tactical mishaps which may have cost them a champions league final.

Valencia - poor signings which alienated the rest of the squad and led to drop in performances of players who were superb the season before.

Inter - a drop in form that probably made him a legend at AC.

Juve - as above.

Roma - player fall out, drop in form and poor signings. 

 

Each club and players at those those clubs cannot be wrong. He can have the excuse that the squad here is mediocre but what excuse does he have on his fall out over tactics with Totti or his drop in form at Inter? 

 

Ranieri is is a man who does not learn from basic mistakes. I hate this claim that he is nothing but a man filled with integrity who wouldn't hurt a fly. His record and history show he is quite stubborn and that stubbornness harms the teams he is responsible for. 

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1 hour ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

The proof is on the pitch. Players are walking around looking clueless. These are professional players who have previously won the PL. Some are internationals. How can they get confused playing a new formation?

 

To me, it's clear they don't want to play a new formation and have no respect for the managers opinions. They'd rather walk around the pitch smack arse faced (Drinkwater) pretending it's not their fault. To me that's as bad as ulloa and payer saying they don't want to play. Ranieri is motivated and commited. The players have wrongly thought they have enough power to force the owner's hand. Ranieri has basically told them to man up and see the chairman if they think they can.

 

I'm backing Ranieri in this fight. The players (Morgan, Kasper) should be putting the dressing room dissent straight instead of encouraging a revolt out on the pitch.

 

If the players can't play the way Ranieri wants, he should have been allowed to buy new players and sack these mercenaries

Okay, but a fairly radical change is needed if we want to so much as crawl over the finish line. Do the board say they'll support Ranieri in sidelining the difficult players, by addressing the unhappy players and allowing or them to be kept away from the first team so that the boss can field eleven men who truly want to play for him? It could be eight or nine regulars.

 

Do they re-define the roles of the management team, either officially or unofficially, which might also be a means of ensuring Ranieri a dignified exit (assuming he wants one), and giving Shakespeare a more central role (if, indeed, he has been marginalised)?

 

Or do we sit back and sacrifice our PL status just to do the right thing by Ranieri? The problem being that we know he's made some terrible errors, but we don't know much about the veracity of these accusations against him. In other words, he may or may not be the guilty party in this matter, is it worth throwing our season down the drain just to back him up?