Keep Ranieri

[The whole world smiles]

54 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

You can't just say forget last season when judging if you should sack a manager and completley disregard the fact that he precided over one of (or even) the greatest achivements by a football club in history.

 

It makes me laugh when I see people try not to give ranieri too much credit for last season implying that he inherited a team that were ready to win the league didn't change much and basically got lucky. This wasn't a 7 game cup run he took over a team that had finished 14th the season before and were favourites for relegation and he won the richest most competitive leauge in sport over 38 grueling matches. 

 

If you think a football manager can achieve something like that without an incredible tactical and motivational skillset and without being bloody good at his job then there really is no hope for you.

 

Of course he deserves time and patience to turn it around not because of sentiment, loyalty or anything daft like that but because he is a fantastic, border line world class manager whose record (short term obviously but long term too)  clearly shows he has the skills to turn the ship around.

 

HE CAME FROM ITALY!

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

5 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

This would be a compromise of sorts, not a bad idea to be fair

 

Easiest job in the world to win the Premier League title ? Huh

There seems to be this air that Claudio can do no wrong. Players not performing, there fault, not motivated. Manager paid to motivate - not at all. Player signings falling flat (including those Claudio wanted) well that's the director of football jobs. Manager - no Benalouanne is just unlucky. No replacement for Kante sought till after he went. Well, that's cos Kante's a snake. Manager, poor Claudio just didn't prepare unlucky mate. Poor tactics - not Claudio, players are shit. Coaching staff being alienated. Well Claudio doesn't have to listen to them. Sports science team being dismantled. Well that's cos Claudio is old school.

 

what I am trying to say mate is a every problem linked to him is brushed off. Yes, last season was great but he is the cause and contributor to many of our problems. While I don't want to forget last year, he's made it damn hard not to. Yet he doesn't get held accountable for so many of these problems.

[lifted*fox]

Just now, The whole world smiles said:

Of course he deserves time and patience to turn it around not because of sentiment, loyalty or anything daft like that but because he is a fantastic, border line world class manager whose record (short term obviously but long term too)  clearly shows he has the skills to turn the ship around.

 

I find your optimism commendable, I really do and I'd love to feel the same way but can you, please - point out clearly for me, ANYTHING Ranieri has done this season that points to him being the things outlined in bold above. 

Please can you point that out? Because I'm struggling to think of any other 'fantastic, border line world class managers' presiding over a team who haven't scored a single goal in this calendar year?

 

You're living in a dream-world mate, above the clouds - that's nice for you, it really is - but Ranieri is managing a very different situation to the one he was managing last year. Like it or not, that's the case. And he clearly isn't doing a very good job of it. 

 

Good for you man, good for you, you've got your chin up and the sky is blue but unfortunately there isn't any proof that he's turning this around at all. In fact I'm pretty sure his managerial career stats prove the opposite. Great initial effect manager but long term it doesn't work out. 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

There seems to be this air that Claudio can do no wrong. Players not performing, there fault, not motivated. Manager paid to motivate - not at all. Player signings falling flat (including those Claudio wanted) well that's the director of football jobs. Manager - no Benalouanne is just unlucky. No replacement for Kante sought till after he went. Well, that's cos Kante's a snake. Manager, poor Claudio just didn't prepare unlucky mate. Poor tactics - not Claudio, players are shit. Coaching staff being alienated. Well Claudio doesn't have to listen to them. Sports science team being dismantled. Well that's cos Claudio is old school.

 

what I am trying to say mate is a every problem linked to him is brushed off. Yes, last season was great but he is the cause and contributor to many of our problems. While I don't want to forget last year, he's made it damn hard not to. Yet he doesn't get held accountable for so many of these problems.

Absolutely spot on.

Its a bizarre and a dangerous argument.

It seems like he's untouchable for some whereas any other manager given how we've dropped this season, would have probably been sacked weeks ago.

Hes currently living on credit in the bank. 

I love the bloke and I'm so sad to have to be writing this. But I love the club more. Unlike some, it would seem, I find the idea of going back down into the Championship abhorrent. I don't want to.

[foxinsocks]

By inclination i am loyal.... and i will be delighted when we stay up and all hug each other.

My head says there is no alternative in the wings.... none.  So what ever our concerns we should stick with cr and the lads... support them and stay till the end of every game

[Bob Weasel Fox]

8 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

There seems to be this air that Claudio can do no wrong. Players not performing, there fault, not motivated. Manager paid to motivate - not at all. Player signings falling flat (including those Claudio wanted) well that's the director of football jobs. Manager - no Benalouanne is just unlucky. No replacement for Kante sought till after he went. Well, that's cos Kante's a snake. Manager, poor Claudio just didn't prepare unlucky mate. Poor tactics - not Claudio, players are shit. Coaching staff being alienated. Well Claudio doesn't have to listen to them. Sports science team being dismantled. Well that's cos Claudio is old school.

 

what I am trying to say mate is a every problem linked to him is brushed off. Yes, last season was great but he is the cause and contributor to many of our problems. While I don't want to forget last year, he's made it damn hard not to. Yet he doesn't get held accountable for so many of these problems.

To be fair I agree of sorts in that I don't think anyone (Ranieri included) can be excluded from blame at all in all this

 

i genuinely just hope (rather than believe necessarily) that we can just stay up this season and sort it out in the summer, Ranners going upstairs or similar if you know what I mean

[The Doctor]

21 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rubbish.

We'd have lots of applicants wanting to manage us. Don't make out that would be a problem just because Ranieri lost his job. 

IF this is down to the players, are you just accepting that Ranieri can't manage them and that we will go down?

If you are banking on Ranieri suddenly making the 'pampered cvnts' start trying again, then why? In what way? 

It seems like you'd have us stick with the status quo and have us go down.

Amazing.

Put aside that it's city, if you saw a manager achieve the impossible, then be sacked at the first sign of trouble, would you want that job? I sure as hell wouldn't. 

 

Ranieri doesn't seem able to turn it round, but I can't see anyone else doing so (and if by some miracle they do then any player who ups their performance and effort levels once ranieri goes should be sold at the first opportunity). 

[Guest Col city fan]

5 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

By inclination i am loyal.... and i will be delighted when we stay up and all hug each other.

My head says there is no alternative in the wings.... none.  So what ever our concerns we should stick with cr and the lads... support them and stay till the end of every game

Yep, now that I do get. If the feeling is that there is no-one now who could turn this situation around (and by definition, the owners and the club have fooked up good and proper) then we have no choice. We must hope that Ranieri has it in his locker to make 'the unmotivatable' motivated.

Cant see it myself but hope I'm wrong. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

8 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

By inclination i am loyal.... and i will be delighted when we stay up and all hug each other.

My head says there is no alternative in the wings.... none.  So what ever our concerns we should stick with cr and the lads... support them and stay till the end of every game

Great post

 

i am loyal to the core, to those who deserve it anyway

 

just hope  Ranners can turn it around

[Guest Col city fan]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Put aside that it's city, if you saw a manager achieve the impossible, then be sacked at the first sign of trouble, would you want that job? I sure as hell wouldn't. 

 

Ranieri doesn't seem able to turn it round, but I can't see anyone else doing so (and if by some miracle they do then any player who ups their performance and effort levels once ranieri goes should be sold at the first opportunity). 

It's not the first sign of trouble though is it. I guess that's my point.

We have already conceded more goals this season than the whole of last, and haven't scored a goal in 2017.

Weve capitulated and been totally annilihated by many clubs this season already.

And we haven't secured an away league victory all season.

Its been pretty shocking since the summer.

Thats not the first sign of anything. For anyone looking, it's been building up for months.

And for this argument about 'sending out the wrong message' if we sack Ranieri, well what message is the club sending out NOW?

We are all over the media, we have pundits openly saying we are terrible and that last season was just luck. We are currently a laughing stock.

[foxinsocks]

Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Great post

 

i am loyal to the core, to those who deserve it anyway

 

just hope  Ranners can turn it around

Listening to stringer knocking cr is underminibg us all.  There is no alternative... were all in the boat so start paddling

[volpeazzurro]

17 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

You can't just say forget last season when judging if you should sack a manager and completley disregard the fact that he precided over one of (or even) the greatest achivements by a football club in history.

 

It makes me laugh when I see people try not to give ranieri too much credit for last season implying that he inherited a team that were ready to win the league didn't change much and basically got lucky. This wasn't a 7 game cup run he took over a team that had finished 14th the season before and were favourites for relegation and he won the richest most competitive leauge in sport over 38 grueling matches. 

 

If you think a football manager can achieve something like that without an incredible tactical and motivational skillset and without being bloody good at his job then there really is no hope for you.

 

Of course he deserves time and patience to turn it around not because of sentiment, loyalty or anything daft like that but because he is a fantastic, border line world class manager whose record (short term obviously but long term too)  clearly shows he has the skills to turn the ship around.

 

HE CAME FROM ITALY!

Absolutely agree and with the exception of Greece which has been adequately explained, ignoring the oafs that poo poo his previous record, when you scrutinise it closely it stands up. Remember that in Italy, they do tend to change managers a little quicker. Chelsea, Roma (my second club) and even their rivals Napoli remember him with great fondness. Hence them hanging banners outside their stadiums and travelling over here. It wasn't just because he's Italian. 

 

As for the comment about if we were relegated we'd lose half the squad,  bring it on! If we did get relegated theres a good few of them I'd find it hard to stomach seeing wearing a City shirt again.

[hamptonfox]

Maybe we need Glen Hoddle's England psychologist to pep them up. If she is still about.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, hamptonfox said:

Maybe we need Glen Hoddle's England psychologist to pep them up. If she is still about.

Eileen. .....

[Bob Weasel Fox]

2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Eileen. .....

Towards the keep Ranieri camp (no I don't mean keep Ranieri slightly effeminate either)  

[The whole world smiles]

21 minutes ago, daz*dsb said:

 

I find your optimism commendable, I really do and I'd love to feel the same way but can you, please - point out clearly for me, ANYTHING Ranieri has done this season that points to him being the things outlined in bold above. 

Please can you point that out? Because I'm struggling to think of any other 'fantastic, border line world class managers' presiding over a team who haven't scored a single goal in this calendar year?

 

You're living in a dream-world mate, above the clouds - that's nice for you, it really is - but Ranieri is managing a very different situation to the one he was managing last year. Like it or not, that's the case. And he clearly isn't doing a very good job of it. 

 

Good for you man, good for you, you've got your chin up and the sky is blue but unfortunately there isn't any proof that he's turning this around at all. In fact I'm pretty sure his managerial career stats prove the opposite. Great initial effect manager but long term it doesn't work out. 

If we sacked ranieri and managed to get a manager in who less than 7 months ago won a major European leauge with a side who were favourites for relegation and who was FIFA coach of the year people would be over joyed.

 

But i suspect we won't be able to attact anyone near that level so rather than sack a manager who has had unpresendent recent success and replace him gambling with one that hasn't why not get behind the one we have?

[Mike Oxlong]

40 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

You clearly do see it as a game. 

Relegation will be shit

 

But there's worse things can happen in life

 

I will still be there next season. O

 

Maybe we just have s different sense of perspective 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The whole world smiles]

I'm not a Claudio apologist either things have been shite the last few weeks and I think the clubs recuitment, players and the manager have let us down.

 

However I have seen enough enough of Ranieri in the last 19 months in terms of management, tactics, handling the media to have more faith in him turning it around than someone like Alan Bastard Pardew.

 

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Relegation will be shit

 

But there's worse things can happen in life

 

I will still be there next season. O

 

Maybe we just have s different sense of perspective 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not at all.

It just surprises me that yourself and others are giving in so easily.

[maddog]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

So why should we keep Ranieri then? The players aren't 'busting a gut' and it's clear he's not motivating them to do so.

There are plenty more players in the top flight who earn a lot more money than our top players, have all the cars, all the fame, all the razzmatazz, yet still 'bust a gut'. 

I don't get this...is it not the job of the manager to make the players 'bust a gut'.

It seems to me like people are saying keep the manager, it's all the fault of the players, whilst by admission, accepting that the manager isn't motivating the players.

Its a bizarre argument.

Ranieri is one of the most experienced bosses Leicester City have ever had, a 30 year managerial career at big European clubs. Juventus, Roma, Inter, Napoli, Fiorentina, Valencia, Chelsea... It's a bloody impressive resume and I have faith in him.

 

He's managed and motivated world class players who the whole Leicester squad could only dream of emulating. 

 

And of course winning the Premier league title in one of the greatest achievements in the history of all sport.

 

Ultimately the players out on the pitch need to pull their socks up and do the business. I fear their attitude will worsen even more if Ranieri goes and they feel they can oust any manager they don't like by downing tools.

 

Who do you bring in if Ranieri goes? How many 'firefighter' managers who are flown in to save a club from possible relegation become long term successes at that club? Off the top of my head many are sacked the very next season.

 

I refuse to believe a new manager who doesn't know the players has more chance of keeping us up from here than Claudio has.

 

For all the soul we added back into football with our title triumph we'll be handing it all back if we sack the man who 9 months ago held aloft the premier league trophy.

[Mike Oxlong]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Not at all.

It just surprises me that yourself and others are giving in so easily.

Who's giving in?

Actually, I remain undecided on Ranieri. Heart v head and all that.

Just because others have an alternative view to yours doesn't mean that they are giving in.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

48 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

To be fair I agree of sorts in that I don't think anyone (Ranieri included) can be excluded from blame at all in all this

 

i genuinely just hope (rather than believe necessarily) that we can just stay up this season and sort it out in the summer, Ranners going upstairs or similar if you know what I mean

See the thing is, I want to stay up. I would love for this side, this manager to ram my words down my throat. Unfortunately, I think if we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. On paper and I will challenge any Hull, Sunderland or Swansea fan and say that we have a better squad. I mean get past these results. We played Swansea off the park earlier on. Burnley couldn't touch us at home. We should be battling to stay up with these sides. We are in this predicament because of inept management, mediocre player performance and a director of football who shouldn't even be parking the cars outside on a match day. If we do stay up, I don't see what value Ranieri will bring upstairs. His methods are out of date and he struggles to pick a good player. 

 

Going down would be a catastrophe for this club. QPR have some pretty wealthy guys behind them. That league is horrible and I lived through the dark ages. I don't want to go back, I will and il be there for Rotherham away but again, as a Leicester fan I'll look back and thing what if. Just like I thought for 8 years what if it was MON spending that £25 million and not Taylor.

 

We messed up the greatest opportunity this club has had in its history and I'm sorry I can't forgive anyone for that. No matter how good last season was.

[Guest Col city fan]

18 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Who's giving in?

Actually, I remain undecided on Ranieri. Heart v head and all that.

Just because others have an alternative view to yours doesn't mean that they are giving in.

Genuinely hope you're right Mike, to be honest.

Id hate to get relegated. Some decent responses over the past few pages and I guess we see how it rolls.

[Mike Oxlong]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Genuinely hope you're right Mike, to be honest.

Id hate to get relegated. Some decent responses over the past few pages and I guess we see how it rolls.

I don't know what you mean about me being right Col. I don't have the answers. My initial post was a gentle piss take of your Armageddon scenario posts should we go down. It'll be poo, but it won't be the end of the world. Honest

[Claridge]

The players have let him down,no question,but Ranieri is paid millions and the buck stops with him. Lose to Swansea and he must go