Keep Ranieri

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

How many of the fans backing Claudio believe that he'll turn it around?

I believe....keep the faith...

Until it becomes impossible......

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

How many of the fans backing Claudio believe that he'll turn it around?

Just hope we can get to the end of the season stay up and sort it from there

[Guest Col city fan]

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

[reynard]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

To coin an oft used phrase on here; This! This and This!

[Joefox]

16 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

Last season was the perfect storm. The stars aligned. Maybe it was fate. Call it what you will but Ranieri has never really demonstrated he is a particularly good manager over what 20 years?

 

He deserves huge credit for last year but he was one of many factors as to why we won the league.

[Guest Col city fan]

9 minutes ago, reynard said:

To coin an oft used phrase on here; This! This and This!

To be honest mate, it's like some people on here see this all as a game. Like relegation is a game.

Its not.

If we continue like this and go down, the club will be decimated and God knows how long we would be pissing about down in the lower leagues again.

And after all we'd gone through, our recent success and whatever, there are some who would STILL keep Ranieri.

Its beyond me. Like this forum often does, I don't get where people are coming from.

If however, people see Ranieri as the man to keep us up...fine...just explain why

[Mike Oxlong]

I agree with Col.

 

Keep Ranieri at least till the end of the season.

[stripeyfox]

23 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

It's a tough call for a lot of people. It's sentiment. It's heart ruling the head.

 

No one wants to see Ranieri sacked because it makes him the fall guy just a few months after our greatest achievement, not just in our history, but probably in our future as well.

 

But it is looking increasingly like the only option. The last chance to salvage something. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

keeping him is choosing heart over brains, he'll take us down. No question

[maddog]

There is no way Ranieri deserves to lose his job because of the half arsed effort and poor attitude of the players.

 

A Man United reject loaned to Barnsley made into an England international central midfielder. A non league skittle vodka drinking chav made into a 100k a week international tournament goalscorer to be the subject of a hollywood film. A girlfriend strangling journeyman is now a title winner.

 

All these players have been made by Leicester City football club and become title winners under Claudio's guidance.

 

They've had free cars, all expenses holidays to Thailand, their social fun room built at the ground, big weekly wages, state of the art training facilities. What more do they want to actually put some effort in and show some passion on the pitch?

 

There have been questionable formation changes by Claudio this season but it doesn't matter what tactics are used if the players don't start busting a gut then we are in trouble. 

 

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

4 minutes ago, maddog said:

There is no way Ranieri deserves to lose his job because of the half arsed effort and poor attitude of the players.

 

A Man United reject loaned to Barnsley made into an England international central midfielder. A non league skittle vodka drinking chav made into a 100k a week international tournament goalscorer to be the subject of a hollywood film. A girlfriend strangling journeyman is now a title winner.

 

All these players have been made by Leicester City football club and become title winners under Claudio's guidance.

 

They've had free cars, all expenses holidays to Thailand, their social fun room built at the ground, big weekly wages, state of the art training facilities. What more do they want to actually put some effort in and show some passion on the pitch?

 

There have been questionable formation changes by Claudio this season but it doesn't matter what tactics are used if the players don't start busting a gut then we are in trouble. 

 

 

Super post

[Bablemikey]

It would not sit easily with me if we removed Ranieri after the historic achievements of last season. However, it is extremely hard for me to see what he could do differently for the remaining fixtures  to switch this team on and return them to some kind of decent form because one would assume he has used all his vast experience and know-how to get the team firing on all cylinders already.

I believe that if we are to survive this season then it has to come from the players, and if they can't find it within themselves to do this then maybe a change in management would be the catalyst for that. Only hindsight will show.

[Guest Col city fan]

8 minutes ago, maddog said:

There is no way Ranieri deserves to lose his job because of the half arsed effort and poor attitude of the players.

 

A Man United reject loaned to Barnsley made into an England international central midfielder. A non league skittle vodka drinking chav made into a 100k a week international tournament goalscorer to be the subject of a hollywood film. A girlfriend strangling journeyman is now a title winner.

 

All these players have been made by Leicester City football club and become title winners under Claudio's guidance.

 

They've had free cars, all expenses holidays to Thailand, their social fun room built at the ground, big weekly wages, state of the art training facilities. What more do they want to actually put some effort in and show some passion on the pitch?

 

There have been questionable formation changes by Claudio this season but it doesn't matter what tactics are used if the players don't start busting a gut then we are in trouble. 

 

 

So why should we keep Ranieri then? The players aren't 'busting a gut' and it's clear he's not motivating them to do so.

There are plenty more players in the top flight who earn a lot more money than our top players, have all the cars, all the fame, all the razzmatazz, yet still 'bust a gut'. 

I don't get this...is it not the job of the manager to make the players 'bust a gut'.

It seems to me like people are saying keep the manager, it's all the fault of the players, whilst by admission, accepting that the manager isn't motivating the players.

Its a bizarre argument.

[Guest Col city fan]

36 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

I agree with Col.

 

Keep Ranieri at least till the end of the season.

You clearly do see it as a game. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

59 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rather than this 'I'd keep him till the end of the season regardless' or 'I'd keep him even if we got relegated' type comments.....

WHY?

Forget last season. What have you all seen THIS season to make you think Ranieri is the best manager we could have to avoid relegation AND why on earth you think, if we did go down, he'd be the best bloke to get us straight back up again?

 

A lot of people seem to making these type of comments very glibly. You do know what the implications of relegation are I assume? Playing again at the lower level, losing half the squad, not being able to attract the better players, lower attandances, no MOTD etc..... Rather than making what appear to be throwaway statements like this well WHY? Give us a proper analysis of why you think Ranieri should stay 'whatever' based upon THIS season's performance?

 

I can tell you why I think he now should go. There are a list of reasons.

Why should he NOT go?

Col as you know I am a big fan of yours and I always (well 90 per cent agree with you) and maybe just maybe I'm a bit heart over head on this it's just for me that I believe the players have let the manager down not the other way around 

 

I could be wrong but after the magic Ranieri weaved last season I think complacency and lack of effort have kicked in with the players and it's an utter diagrace

 

i like 250'000 others was at the Victory parade and it was a great occasion but I sensed the players were ungrateful shits that day in fairness as they could t even be bothered to wave or anything by the time they got to where my wife little one friend and her 2 kids were standing 

 

I'm ****ed off with the players not Claudio

thats my main gripe Col, the players have let us down. Watch the cvnts try putting some effort in again when they do sack Claudio 

 

pampered cvnts

[The Doctor]

59 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

 

Why should he NOT go?

Because sacking him would solve nothing and send a horrible message about us - doesn't matter what you achieve, slightest bit of hardship and you're gone. No self-respecting manager would come near us with a twelve foot barge pole with that.

 

The problem is the players - their attitude and commitment out on the pitch stinks. 

[Guest Col city fan]

Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Col as you know I am a big fan of yours and I always (well 90 per cent agree with you) and maybe just maybe I'm a bit heart over head on this it's just for me that I believe the players have let the manager down not the other way around 

 

I could be wrong but after the magic Ranieri weaved last season I think complacency and lack of effort have kicked in with the players and it's an utter diagrace

 

i like 250'000 others was at the Victory parade and it was a great occasion but I sensed the players were ungrateful shits that day in fairness as they could t even be bothered to wave or anything by the time they got to where my wife little one friend and her 2 kids were standing 

 

I'm ****ed off with the players not Claudio

thats my mine gripe Col, the players have let us down. Watch the cvnts try putting some effort in again when they do sack Claudio 

 

pampered cvnts

I know mate. And it's likely you're right.

But there are 'pampered cvnts' right across the top flights of world football.

A good manager will either find some way to keep them motivated (Ferguson let them know it was his way or they were out), Pellegrini keeps it fresh, Antonio Conte ain't having a problem is he, even the much maligned Pulis successfully managed Berahino out the club.

When Ranieri has been faced with the problem of having to manage big egos (if that even IS the problem...who on here really knows), he's been found massively wanting.

Again...it's one thing to say that all of our problems have been caused by our players. (I don't believe this for one moment btw...you can see on the pitch that they haven't a clue what they are meant to be doing), it's another thing completely to keep relying on a manager that clearly cannot manage this situation.

Chelsea did the right thing with Mourinho...they sacked him, knowing he'd lost the plot with that group of players.

What are our owners doing? It appears they are sitting back as we drift into oblivion OR hoping, like many on this forum are, that Ranieri will be able to suddenly motivate the players and turn this situation around.

I ask for one final time....WHY do you think he can do this?

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Col as you know I am a big fan of yours and I always (well 90 per cent agree with you) and maybe just maybe I'm a bit heart over head on this it's just for me that I believe the players have let the manager down not the other way around 

 

I could be wrong but after the magic Ranieri weaved last season I think complacency and lack of effort have kicked in with the players and it's an utter diagrace

 

i like 250'000 others was at the Victory parade and it was a great occasion but I sensed the players were ungrateful shits that day in fairness as they could t even be bothered to wave or anything by the time they got to where my wife little one friend and her 2 kids were standing 

 

I'm ****ed off with the players not Claudio

thats my main gripe Col, the players have let us down. Watch the cvnts try putting some effort in again when they do sack Claudio 

 

pampered cvnts

Can I just ask, if the players are no longer performing. If players that he has signed (benalouanne and Mendy) can't compete for places with them. What exactly do we pay Claudio to do?

 

he seems to have the easiest job in the world.

[whitwickfox]

Easy solution to this get shot of Rudkin and move ranieri to director of football 

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Because sacking him would solve nothing and send a horrible message about us - doesn't matter what you achieve, slightest bit of hardship and you're gone. No self-respecting manager would come near us with a twelve foot barge pole with that.

 

The problem is the players - their attitude and commitment out on the pitch stinks. 

Rubbish.

We'd have lots of applicants wanting to manage us. Don't make out that would be a problem just because Ranieri lost his job. 

IF this is down to the players, are you just accepting that Ranieri can't manage them and that we will go down?

If you are banking on Ranieri suddenly making the 'pampered cvnts' start trying again, then why? In what way? 

It seems like you'd have us stick with the status quo and have us go down.

Amazing.

[lifted*fox]

Just now, Col city fan said:

I know mate. And it's likely you're right.

But there are 'pampered cvnts' right across the top flights of world football.

A good manager will either find some way to keep them motivated (Ferguson let them know it was his way or they were out), Pellegrini keeps it fresh, Antonio Conte ain't having a problem is he, even the much maligned Pulis successfully managed Berahino out the club.

When Ranieri has been faced with the problem of having to manage big egos (if that even IS the problem...who on here really knows), he's been found massively wanting.

Again...it's one thing to say that all of our problems have been caused by our players. (I don't believe this for one moment btw...you can see on the pitch that they haven't a clue what they are meant to be doing), it's another thing completely to keep relying on a manager that clearly cannot manage this situation.

Chelsea did the right thing with Mourinho...they sacked him, knowing he'd lost the plot with that group of players.

What are our owners doing? It appears they are sitting back as we drift into oblivion OR hoping, like many on this forum are, that Ranieri will be able to suddenly motivate the players and turn this situation around.

I ask for one final time....WHY do you think he can do this?

 

I can't give rep as I've already dished out 25 today but I am wholeheartedly in agreement with you Col. 

 

Players in football are cvnts - all the ****ing time, cvnts. But there are managers out there who know how to keep them motivated and keep the cvnt-levels to a minimum. 

 

Ranieri managed our players when they were at a peak level of non-cvntyness and it paid off for everyone but he clearly isn't the man to deal with the new egos / non-interest and lack of enthusiasm from this bunch of 'pampered cvnts'. 

 

Man management is all about managing people's attitudes and dealing with out-of-sorts characters in different environments - some people are born to be leaders / man-managers and others aren't. Ranieri could handlie it when the going was good but he clearly isn't able to sort this bunch out when the shit has hit the fan. That's the difference. 

 

I'm going to take a stab in the dark though and assume that 90% of the people on FoxesTalk aren't man-managers and don't understand the intricacies of such a job - that's fine, not everyone is a manager but that is why we see so many people choosing to blindly follow Ranieri even though he has clearly lost support of the team around him. 

[The_77]

12 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

i like 250'000 others was at the Victory parade and it was a great occasion but I sensed the players were ungrateful shits that day in fairness as they could t even be bothered to wave or anything by the time they got to where my wife little one friend and her 2 kids were standing 

 

I might be going out on a limb here but I'll suggest that the players were all dealing with the hangovers to end all hangovers that day.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Just now, whitwickfox said:

Easy solution to this get shot of Rudkin and move ranieri to director of football 

This would be a compromise of sorts, not a bad idea to be fair

 

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Can I just ask, if the players are no longer performing. If players that he has signed (benalouanne and Mendy) can't compete for places with them. What exactly do we pay Claudio to do?

 

he seems to have the easiest job in the world.

Easiest job in the world to win the Premier League title ? Huh

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Just now, The_77 said:

I might be going out on a limb here but I'll suggest that the players were all dealing with the hangovers to end all hangovers that day.

Yeah fair point

[Bob Weasel Fox]

6 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I know mate. And it's likely you're right.

But there are 'pampered cvnts' right across the top flights of world football.

A good manager will either find some way to keep them motivated (Ferguson let them know it was his way or they were out), Pellegrini keeps it fresh, Antonio Conte ain't having a problem is he, even the much maligned Pulis successfully managed Berahino out the club.

When Ranieri has been faced with the problem of having to manage big egos (if that even IS the problem...who on here really knows), he's been found massively wanting.

Again...it's one thing to say that all of our problems have been caused by our players. (I don't believe this for one moment btw...you can see on the pitch that they haven't a clue what they are meant to be doing), it's another thing completely to keep relying on a manager that clearly cannot manage this situation.

Chelsea did the right thing with Mourinho...they sacked him, knowing he'd lost the plot with that group of players.

What are our owners doing? It appears they are sitting back as we drift into oblivion OR hoping, like many on this forum are, that Ranieri will be able to suddenly motivate the players and turn this situation around.

I ask for one final time....WHY do you think he can do this?

If I'm honest with you Col I don't necessarily think he can turn it around

 

im just hoping against all hope we can scrape staying up by the skin of our teeth somehow and then golden handshake and start afresh etc