Matty James

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

On 3/5/2017 at 22:10, Kitchandro said:

If Drinky and N'Didi can find their form long term, which they're both capable of, our central midfield would look far more promising with a fit James & Lawrence behind them in the pecking order.

 

I don't want to see Amartey play in that position ever again.

Bizarre.

[elvisfmcfly]

2 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

Bizarre.

 

[Koke]

On 05/03/2017 at 04:46, Wizerud said:

The last time he played for us he was keeping Drinkwater out, fair and square, in the Premier League. Can't see how anyone can say we should ship him out. Shakespeare will know how to utilize him best next season. He deserves the opportunity to fight for a place if that's what he wants. But if he wants to goto Barnsley permanently, fair enough.

 

Drinkwater has improved drastically since 2015. James might have been better 2 years ago but Drinkwater have become a better player whilst James was on the treatment table. 

 

King has stagnated and Mendy looks poor. Amartey is a centre back. If Shakespeare gets the full time job I can see James having a future here and becoming part of the first team again. 

[norwichfox]

19 minutes ago, Foxin hell said:

People have to remember, Mendy has looked poor so far however he hasn't been the only one this season to have under performed. Maybe we should see how he, Musa and Amartey now perform after Claudio has gone with the high pressing game we now play.

I agree with this, it's the style we were playing where they looked as though they were a good fit for us (on paper and limited video's) at the time they were bought. What does bother me, more than a little, is.....are the "old guard" going to be happy with being "squad players" which is an aspect that possibly makes Shakespeare vulnerable as our manager with his perceived loyalty to the "Old Guard". Conversely, will these newer players  be comfortable just making up the numbers for injuries and the odd cup game?

[funkyrobot]

13 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Every time James got close to a return he suffered a minor setback. He was playing u23 games last January, then suffered a knock which kept him out for a few months. He made the bench vs Middlesbrough on the final weekend of November: so, 15 and a half months of the 18 then - such a massive difference. The point (that Claudio couldn't really give him a chance because he was out injured for most of it) is still absolutely right. Hell, this loan spell is going to be about regaining match fitness as well. 

 

 

If Ranieri wanted him, he would've kept him around. It's not that he couldn't choose him, he wouldn't choose him. If Mahrez or Vardy got a long term injury, they wouldn't be shipped out on loan, they'd be reintegrated into the squad and given game time to regain fitness. I personally think that's what CR should've done with Matty J based on our lack of quality midfield options. 

[The Doctor]

7 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

If Ranieri wanted him, he would've kept him around. It's not that he couldn't choose him, he wouldn't choose him. If Mahrez or Vardy got a long term injury, they wouldn't be shipped out on loan, they'd be reintegrated into the squad and given game time to regain fitness. I personally think that's what CR should've done with Matty J based on our lack of quality midfield options. 

since when he returned we were deep in a relegation battle when were you planning on playing him to regain fitness?

 

Honestly, this forum baffles me - sending a player out on loan because he's been injured for a year and a half shows you're trying to get rid of him?  Not to mention that an injury like James, players don't return to their previous level from with regularity.

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

since when he returned we were deep in a relegation battle when were you planning on playing him to regain fitness?

 

Honestly, this forum baffles me - sending a player out on loan because he's been injured for a year and a half shows you're trying to get rid of him?  Not to mention that an injury like James, players don't return to their previous level from with regularity.

Name an older player that's been loaned out that comes back to play. Doesn't usually happen. Mostly it's a long drawn out goodbye. The change in manager might buck that trend this time hopefully. Oh and CR deemed it a wise idea to play a not match fit (or even premier league standard) Mendy when we were deep in relegation so why not James? Tbh the forum baffles you because people disagree with your viewpoint.

Edited 7 March 2017 by funkyrobot

[The Doctor]

49 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Name an older player that's been loaned out that comes back to play. Doesn't usually happen. Mostly it's a long drawn out goodbye. The change in manager might buck that trend this time hopefully. Oh and CR deemed it a wise idea to play a not match fit (or even premier league standard) Mendy when we were deep in relegation so why not James? Tbh the forum baffles you because people disagree with your viewpoint.

Massive difference. Mendy had a standard couple of month injury - players come and go from those on a regular basis at every club. James had been out for a year and a half with a serious leg injury - one that many footballers don't walk back from; which is why anyone talking about how good it will be to get him back has to prefix it with a massive If. Very few come back to a similar level from an injury like James', even with a recovery that goes smoothly.

 

Well, yes, but when my view point is fact (that sending players out on loan to help them come back from very serious injuries is common place, and not clear evidence a player isn't wanted), that's where it gets baffling. Basically, you're just spouting some utter nonsense that Ranieri didn't rate James (when the only evidence we have is to the contrary), hence he never played when the truth is that James was never really able to play - every time he's neared a return, he's got crocked again.

Edited 7 March 2017 by The Doctor

[volpeazzurro]

Matty going out on loan imo was a positive thing and doesn't necessarily mean that he's been discarded.  With the fitter players we had available in a desperate situation it all seems like common sense!  It was make or break and he needed regular football to get fit, test his injury recovery and generally get back into the swing of things. If successful I feel sure he'll be fighting preseason to get back in the team. Good luck to him, must be a relief just to be playing again! 

[funkyrobot]

51 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Massive difference. Mendy had a standard couple of month injury - players come and go from those on a regular basis at every club. James had been out for a year and a half with a serious leg injury - one that many footballers don't walk back from; which is why anyone talking about how good it will be to get him back has to prefix it with a massive If. Very few come back to a similar level from an injury like James', even with a recovery that goes smoothly.

 

Well, yes, but when my view point is fact (that sending players out on loan to help them come back from very serious injuries is common place, and not clear evidence a player isn't wanted), that's where it gets baffling. Basically, you're just spouting some utter nonsense that Ranieri didn't rate James (when the only evidence we have is to the contrary), hence he never played when the truth is that James was never really able to play - every time he's neared a return, he's got crocked again.

Actions speak louder than words when it come to CR and Matty James. Tell me what players have been loaned out to get them back to full fitness and then get reintegrated.  I can't think of any and yet you say it's common place. Ultimately James, though seemingly physically unable to play for LCFC, can mysteriously play full 90 minutes and get goals and MOTM ratings in a very physical and competitive Championship for Barnsley. 

[The Doctor]

19 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Actions speak louder than words when it come to CR and Matty James. Tell me what players have been loaned out to get them back to full fitness and then get reintegrated.  I can't think of any and yet you say it's common place. Ultimately James, though seemingly physically unable to play for LCFC, can mysteriously play full 90 minutes and get goals and MOTM ratings in a very physical and competitive Championship for Barnsley. 

And his actions were to loan out a player to regain match fitness. Hardly a grand conspiracy to shift him out. 

 

Aaron Ramsey went to Forest after that injury at Stoke. 7 years later he's still a regular at Arsenal. 

 

 

[funkyrobot]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

And his actions were to loan out a player to regain match fitness. Hardly a grand conspiracy to shift him out. 

 

Aaron Ramsey went to Forest after that injury at Stoke. 7 years later he's still a regular at Arsenal. 

 

 

1 player does not make it a common practice 

[The Doctor]

9 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

1 player does not make it a common practice 

Sending players out on loan for match fitness is common practise, the problem is more reintegration into the squad afterwards because it's done for serious injuries where often the player just can't get to the level he was at before: a leg break can absolutely ruin a career - Ramsey is one of the few that bounced back to the level they were before. But that does not mean loaning them out is proof they're not wanted like you seem to think.

 

He'll have loaned James out to carry on his recovery, and he'd then be assessed at the end of the season as to whether he's not been too negatively impacted to be at the required level. If James wasn't wanted at all he'd not have got the end of the man city game for a return.

[st albans fox]

13 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Actions speak louder than words when it come to CR and Matty James. Tell me what players have been loaned out to get them back to full fitness and then get reintegrated.  I can't think of any and yet you say it's common place. Ultimately James, though seemingly physically unable to play for LCFC, can mysteriously play full 90 minutes and get goals and MOTM ratings in a very physical and competitive Championship for Barnsley. 

He couldn't get into shape without playing week in, week out at a high level. Not going to happen in the premier league as he couldn't get into the team and the U23 not intense enough. I'm sure the first few games at Barnsley showed his class but he lacked a bit of fitness. 

 

some players always look fit and don't carry weight. Matty clearly isn't one of those. ranieri had no need to indulge James yet he put him in the bench a  few times and even brought him in for the final few mins against citeh. Claudio was not the type to do things for sentiment imo so the fact he thought he was worthy of a sub place tells me you're wrong. 

[VLC86]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

He couldn't get into shape without playing week in, week out at a high level. Not going to happen in the premier league as he couldn't get into the team and the U23 not intense enough. I'm sure the first few games at Barnsley showed his class but he lacked a bit of fitness. 

 

some players always look fit and don't carry weight. Matty clearly isn't one of those. ranieri had no need to indulge James yet he put him in the bench a  few times and even brought him in for the final few mins against citeh. Claudio was not the type to do things for sentiment imo so the fact he thought he was worthy of a sub place tells me you're wrong. 

Ranieri included him on the bench that day as we had no other option, He brought him on as a nice touch when the game was over and done with.

 

I still think he has a part to play and in the absence of Kante I feel we miss MJs direct running (I am obviously not comparing him to Kante before you even try and imply this).

[st albans fox]

11 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Ranieri included him on the bench that day as we had no other option, He brought him on as a nice touch when the game was over and done with.

 

I still think he has a part to play and in the absence of Kante I feel we miss MJs direct running (I am obviously not comparing him to Kante before you even try and imply this).

No option?  Harvey Barnes was still at the club. And he made the bench home to boro too. whilst DD was suspended he was considered to be next in line behind mendy. as I said before, Claudio wasn't generally keen on sentiment. 

[Aus Fox]

13 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Actions speak louder than words when it come to CR and Matty James. Tell me what players have been loaned out to get them back to full fitness and then get reintegrated.  I can't think of any and yet you say it's common place. Ultimately James, though seemingly physically unable to play for LCFC, can mysteriously play full 90 minutes and get goals and MOTM ratings in a very physical and competitive Championship for Barnsley. 

Aaron Ramsey?

[Arriba Los Zorros]

I'm a big MJ fan admittedly but genuinely think he can add a lot to our game especially if we're going to be looking at better ball retention going forward. Although people say he's slow, he's got a lot of energy, gets up and down the pitch and contributes well to building attacks as well as out defensive shape. A genuine box to box player and we're lacking one. For me, would be our number 3 choice after DD and WN'D

[VLC86]

19 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

No option?  Harvey Barnes was still at the club. And he made the bench home to boro too. whilst DD was suspended he was considered to be next in line behind mendy. as I said before, Claudio wasn't generally keen on sentiment. 

 You really think Harvey Barnes was an option to include on the bench against one of the best teams in the league when our starting 11 included under performing King and Amartey? Behave.

[RutlandFox91]

My boss is a Barnsley STH who follows them home and away. He's delighted they have Matty as they lost Conor Hourihane and desperately needed a CM. His comments were when Matty first arrived you could tell he was class, but he looked like he had been on the pies and was lacking sharpness. Now he's one of their stand out players as he is training hard and playing regular football. His observations are that he is a tidy player who you can tell has played and can play again at the higher level.

 

Personally, I think we did the right thing loaning him out as we're speeding up his recovery time so that he can re-join the squad. In Matty's interviews he's stated that's his goal. to come back to LCFC and challenge for a starting XI spot.

[AmarteyAndChill]

31 minutes ago, RutlandFox91 said:

My boss is a Barnsley STH who follows them home and away. He's delighted they have Matty as they lost Conor Hourihane and desperately needed a CM. His comments were when Matty first arrived you could tell he was class, but he looked like he had been on the pies and was lacking sharpness. Now he's one of their stand out players as he is training hard and playing regular football. His observations are that he is a tidy player who you can tell has played and can play again at the higher level.

 

Personally, I think we did the right thing loaning him out as we're speeding up his recovery time so that he can re-join the squad. In Matty's interviews he's stated that's his goal. to come back to LCFC and challenge for a starting XI spot.

Does he reckon James is a better player than that Hourinhane guy?

[MPH]

54 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

Does he reckon James is a better player than that Hourinhane guy?

 

 

If thatthe guy who's first name is Heavenly and last name Tiger Lily?

[RutlandFox91]

20 hours ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

Does he reckon James is a better player than that Hourinhane guy?

He says they're very different players. Matty is more (keep it simple and keep the play ticking over) whereas Hourinhane was more creative. He's v happy Matty is playing for them.

Edited 9 March 2017 by RutlandFox91
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[lcfc278]

Matty James is only 25 years old and lets be honest most midfield players peak between that age and 28/29. When him and Drinky used to play in the middle in the promotion season they were simply unplayable, I'd never seen a midfield two play together for us so comfortably than they did (before Drinky/Kante) and in my opinion they orchestrated most of our wins that season. Yes, he's had 2 years of hell but I think his performances for Barnsley in a poor side in a tough league, so far, prove that he can get back to the level he was at.

 

I'll stick my neck out and say that I for one think he would make much more of an impact in the middle, right now, than Kingy (as much as i love him) or Amartey would if they were needed in that position for any reason.  

[Innovindil]

On Tue Mar 07 2017 at 22:24, funkyrobot said:

1 player does not make it a common practice 

Falcao. 

 

Didn't he get injured for a year then loaned out to utd/chelsea before returning to monaco? 

 

Couple of days late but idgaf.