Sharpe's Fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Buce said: It looks like the student vote is going Labour's way: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/04/voter-registration-soars-students-backing-labour-corbyn-general-election If they vote
Carl the Llama Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 6 hours ago, The Floyd said: You could argue the exact same point for the staunch Labour and remain voters, who claim racism or bigotry at the first sign of a differing opinion. This constant degrading of people's intellectual integrity based purely on their political beliefs is neither fair or helpful. There are many political commentators on either side of the political spectrum who are willing to engage in reasoned debate but equally there are those who will just blindly vote Labour or Conservative. I hope I've not misunderstood your post but generalising a huge proportion of people as 'uneducated' is just patently wrong. I think you have missed the point of what I'm saying. Massively. There's been a lot of lamenting the key political figures on the left of centre coming from both right and left-wing voices but unless I'm missing it there's not a great deal of people on the right really raising their voice to demonstrate concern at the state of their potential representatives even though Mrs. May seems just as unsuitable as Mr. Corbyn from what I can make of it. I guess what I'm getting at is that the left seem more willing to criticise their leaders while the right seem more keen on rallying behind theirs regardless of the cost.
Buce Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: If they vote Well. the booths are open until ten... it's possible they might be out of bed by then..
Izzy Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 32 minutes ago, RobHawk said: You aren't voting for either of them! You are voting for the local candidate you best feel can serve your local area! This idea that you are voting for May or Corbyn is just ridiculous and not a true representation of how our system works. Now i expect everyone on here knows this but i was having a conversation with some neighbours the other day who had no idea at all - worrying! You're right, of course. However, whether we like it or not, I think many people vote based on the perceived leadership qualities of each party leader/cabinet. For me it's always been more of a trust thing. Which leader and which party do I trust most to run the economy.
Buce Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 9 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Green Party campaign going as expected OK. I get it as far as LGBTI... who or what is Q and A? What new term do I have to remember now to avoid offending somebody?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 9 minutes ago, Buce said: OK. I get it as far as LGBTI... who or what is Q and A? What new term do I have to remember now to avoid offending somebody? I reckon Q is queer but I thought that wasn't approved anymore. Don't know about the A. Attack helicopter?
leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 11 minutes ago, Buce said: OK. I get it as far as LGBTI... who or what is Q and A? What new term do I have to remember now to avoid offending somebody? Q is queer, A is asexual, apparently. And I know the message they're trying to send but that helicopter meme is channer idiocy at its very best.
Buce Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: I reckon Q is queer but I thought that wasn't approved anymore. Don't know about the A. Attack helicopter? 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Q is queer, A is asexual, apparently. And I know the message they're trying to send but that helicopter meme is channer idiocy at its very best. So... what is the difference between Gay and Queer..?.
Carl the Llama Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Never heard of this new extended LGBTIQA and I consider myself fairly liberal I too don't know the difference between being gay/lesbian and being queer.
Strokes Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Buce said: So... what is the difference between Gay and Queer..?. And can you be a gay queer?
leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, Buce said: So... what is the difference between Gay and Queer..?. The latter is more generic than just liking the same sex these days (catch-all term for anyone who isn't straight, really), and also has been used as a slur in the past so some folks don't like using it. Of course this is all subjective depending on the source you read so don't take what I'm saying here as gospel.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Suprised the Lib dem is piping up considering they get the willies thinking about willies.
Jimothy Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 31 minutes ago, Buce said: OK. I get it as far as LGBTI... who or what is Q and A? What new term do I have to remember now to avoid offending somebody? Just googled it. First page said qia stand for questioning, intersex and asexual.
Izzy Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Well this is all very strange. very queer indeed
Strokes Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 2 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Wait, is q queer or questioning? That's the question.
Buce Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Well, I think that just about everyone covered. No wonder Dangerous Tiger is confused.
sphericalfox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 22 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Today in the FT GE thread...fun with acronyms! Stop bringin the R.A.I.N.
The Floyd Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: I think you have missed the point of what I'm saying. Massively. There's been a lot of lamenting the key political figures on the left of centre coming from both right and left-wing voices but unless I'm missing it there's not a great deal of people on the right really raising their voice to demonstrate concern at the state of their potential representatives even though Mrs. May seems just as unsuitable as Mr. Corbyn from what I can make of it. I guess what I'm getting at is that the left seem more willing to criticise their leaders while the right seem more keen on rallying behind theirs regardless of the cost. Apologies, I did miss the 'on here' part of your first post. I may be mistaken but judging from my brief time as a member I'd suggest this is quite a liberal forum, so naturally there's not much opportunity for people on the right to criticise their own and in this case, May. Where I disagree with you is that from my own experience, I don't see as many people blindly supporting May in the same way that some blindly support Corbyn's utopian policies just because they sound good in theory. Right leaning and conservative thinkers tend to be less prolific on social media as a whole, not just with regards to criticism of their own and even so, recent national polls would suggest a shift in confidence away from the Tories, showing that not all will 'rally behind regardless'. Also, I have no idea if your entire first post was directed exclusively at this forum/election but if not, another quite recent example, although overseas, would be the heavy criticism that Trump received from many of his supporters when he gave the green light for military action against Assad, even Paul Joseph Watson declared he was 'getting off the Trump train'. I'm assuming that you may have had Diane Abbot in mind when you spoke about the 'lamenting of key political figures on the left of centre' and if so, Amber Rudd, Boris or any front bench MP for the Conservatives would receive an equal amount of criticism if they produced the absolute salad of numbers and words that Diane Abbot came out with. For what it's worth I feel that what you're trying to suggest for the right could so easily be said of the left, both sides will have relentlessly loyal voters that choose never to stray away from their respective party but I do think that the majority of the people on this forum and to a lesser extent nationally, see that both May and Corbyn are far from perfect.
Carl the Llama Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 21 minutes ago, The Floyd said: Apologies, I did miss the 'on here' part of your first post. I may be mistaken but judging from my brief time as a member I'd suggest this is quite a liberal forum, so naturally there's not much opportunity for people on the right to criticise their own and in this case, May. Where I disagree with you is that from my own experience, I don't see as many people blindly supporting May in the same way that some blindly support Corbyn's utopian policies just because they sound good in theory. Right leaning and conservative thinkers tend to be less prolific on social media as a whole, not just with regards to criticism of their own and even so, recent national polls would suggest a shift in confidence away from the Tories, showing that not all will 'rally behind regardless'. Also, I have no idea if your entire first post was directed exclusively at this forum/election but if not, another quite recent example, although overseas, would be the heavy criticism that Trump received from many of his supporters when he gave the green light for military action against Assad, even Paul Joseph Watson declared he was 'getting off the Trump train'. I'm assuming that you may have had Diane Abbot in mind when you spoke about the 'lamenting of key political figures on the left of centre' and if so, Amber Rudd, Boris or any front bench MP for the Conservatives would receive an equal amount of criticism if they produced the absolute salad of numbers and words that Diane Abbot came out with. For what it's worth I feel that what you're trying to suggest for the right could so easily be said of the left, both sides will have relentlessly loyal voters that choose never to stray away from their respective party but I do think that the majority of the people on this forum and to a lesser extent nationally, see that both May and Corbyn are far from perfect. That's a good point re. Trump but yeah I'm very much talking about the posters on here and indeed my experience irl limited though it may be. In fact that whole post in general I have to say falls into either the pretty spot on or reassuring if true category though I'm dubious about your point about Boris, I'm sure many would just shrug it off as him 'being a bit of a character' or some other such bollocks
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 3 hours ago, RobHawk said: You aren't voting for either of them! You are voting for the local candidate you best feel can serve your local area! This idea that you are voting for May or Corbyn is just ridiculous and not a true representation of how our system works. Now i expect everyone on here knows this but i was having a conversation with some neighbours the other day who had no idea at all - worrying! No you arent. My constituency is Blaby. Thus, there is no point in my voting anything other than Conservative. It's a true blue area and will stay so. I probably won't vote Tory but it won't matter. Most people I suspect are either quite ignorant of politics or apathetic. This forum is not representative of the electorate per se I wouldn't have thought. I'm pretty sure most people still vote based upon who they think can best 'run a country', on issues (such as the NHS) or based upon how their parents vote (or voted). So yes, for me who is in the Cabinet does matter. And the thought of Corbyn running the country.... nah
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