General Election, June 8th

[foxy boxing]

5 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Who's that cvnt?

Comical Ali

 

Famous for his propaganda, which was so funny! He aggregations a good laugh as war ravaged Iraq

[Sharpe's Fox]

5 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Comical Ali

 

Famous for his propaganda, which was so funny! He aggregations a good laugh as war ravaged Iraq

Ah right remember reading about him but didin't know the face

[Guest Kopfkino]

Corbyn has now suggested that they will simply swap equity for government bonds to finance nationalisation. It's truly worrying economic suicide.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

59 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

"By creating a fairer system of taxation, tackling tax evasion and avoidance, and encouraging a fairer tax system, we are able to rebuild our NHS, social care, education and other services."

 

Think they ran out of things to say.

Taking 45% of a wage off of someone earning 80k and working damn hard is not fair! It will kill aspiration, if someone was going to take 45% or more of my wage really what is the point? might as well sit at home all day do **** all and enjoy life instead of working hard for nice things hopefully the money tree will provide for me. If this lot ever get in I might just quit work.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

Corbyn has now suggested that they will simply swap equity for government bonds to finance nationalisation. It's truly worrying economic suicide.

They aren't bothered. 

 

We are talking about people here who are prepared to destroy their own party which they are supposed to love, so destroying a country they have no love for isn't a problem at all.

[SMX11]

1 hour ago, theessexfox said:

"By creating a fairer system of taxation, tackling tax evasion and avoidance, and encouraging a fairer tax system, we are able to rebuild our NHS, social care, education and other services."

 

Think they ran out of things to say.

Surely the best way of doing those stated objectives would be having a low flat rate across the board? 

 

Oh wait I forgot that they want to control everyone's life and encourage envy across the society for political gain.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

I cant remember crowds turning out for a leader like they are for Corbyn.  A mate of mine sent me a video from Leeds and it was unreal.  The streets were absolutely packed.

 

It's a real shame that the party rejected him so early on as there was no going back.  All of the distrust of him as a leader has come from the Labour party themselves and their burning desire for a Blair MKII.

 

If they'd have accepted him as a leader and actually tried working with him, we may be seeing vastly different numbers in the polls.

 

For all the people on the streets and his overwhelming popularity on social media, the Tories will still win comfortably as the mainstream media are on their side.  

 

A large majority May government I fear will only be slightly less damaging to the country than the alternative.

 

I kind of wish there'll be a 3 party coalition.  You'd get a much more representative government.

[Dr The Singh]

31 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

I cant remember crowds turning out for a leader like they are for Corbyn.  A mate of mine sent me a video from Leeds and it was unreal.  The streets were absolutely packed.

 

It's a real shame that the party rejected him so early on as there was no going back.  All of the distrust of him as a leader has come from the Labour party themselves and their burning desire for a Blair MKII.

 

If they'd have accepted him as a leader and actually tried working with him, we may be seeing vastly different numbers in the polls.

 

For all the people on the streets and his overwhelming popularity on social media, the Tories will still win comfortably as the mainstream media are on their side.  

 

A large majority May government I fear will only be slightly less damaging to the country than the alternative.

 

I kind of wish there'll be a 3 party coalition.  You'd get a much more representative government.

You sure your not having a Dianne Abbott moment, im sure gay pride was on at the same time?

[Rincewind]

Someone I know wanted to go to the rally in Leicester but it was full up at Midday. I must have missed the post about it on here. There was one in Sheffield where the manefesto was launched. Rge video of it showed two members of the public. One owned a small business and had disabled children. He spoke on how difficult it has been to get help for them and how he has to wait because lack of funding. The other a bus driver spoke on how his daughter who is at uni will have huge debts when she leaves and little hope of work.

I only saw it up to when Jeremy Corbyn came on. But there was a decent crowd there.

 

Find some interesting reads. MPs are not allowed to call each other liars in Parliament, wear armour or speak Welsh.

This also good. One MP said if any MP that lied was banned the HOP would be about empty.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33014760

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said:

Taking 45% of a wage off of someone earning 80k and working damn hard is not fair! It will kill aspiration, if someone was going to take 45% or more of my wage really what is the point? might as well sit at home all day do **** all and enjoy life instead of working hard for nice things hopefully the money tree will provide for me. If this lot ever get in I might just quit work.

They'd only be paying 45% on anything above £80k. And worth lower national insurance contributions once in the higher tax bands the increase really isn't that overwhelming. 

[Rincewind]

You could say the same on minimum wage. Why bother working when your rent rebate will be stopped, pay for travel to and work and posibly pay for child carers. At the end of the week you are no better off than staying at home.

It works both ways. If people have little to spend then they will cut down and businesses will suffer with less consumer spending.

[Wymsey]

It must be the first time I've been leaning towards Labour in which is the best party for both before and when Brexit occurs; well-ran campaigns so far and Corbyn has been down-to-earth generally.

They must be licking their lips about this vote campaign and have good reason to as they seem on the ball more than the others in terms of the best way forward regarding the NHS, workers' rights/pay etc.

[Guest]

 Looking forward to seeing the costed tory manifesto explaining how 5 more years of cuts will bring about growth...

[Rincewind]

14 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 Looking forward to seeing the costed tory manifesto explaining how 5 more years of cuts will bring about growth...

Saw a news clip where a woman had a right go at May while was out and about. She did not know what to say other than the worn out standard 'We are focussing on those that need it most' At some point enough people will become tired of hearing that and see through it. Unfortunate it will be too late when the damage has already been done.

Her PR team slipped up there. Allowing her to walk among common people.

[Guest MattP]

11 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 Looking forward to seeing the costed tory manifesto explaining how 5 more years of cuts will bring about growth...

We have had growth, haven't you seen the figures? 

 

Although did you not watch the last budget? It was going to be as profligate as some of the stuff McDonnell was proposing. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

13 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 Looking forward to seeing the costed tory manifesto explaining how 5 more years of cuts will bring about growth...

 

Yeah get back onto the adult stuff

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, KingGTF said:

 

Yeah get back onto the adult stuff

Why was he wrong? Deficit reduction isn't liked to growth, and the policies that enable it to it do the opposite. I'm not exactly clued up but that seems basic to me.

 

Edit: nope he's gone

[Carl the Llama]

2 hours ago, Foxin_mad said:

Taking 45% of a wage off of someone earning 80k and working damn hard is not fair! It will kill aspiration, if someone was going to take 45% or more of my wage really what is the point? might as well sit at home all day do **** all and enjoy life instead of working hard for nice things hopefully the money tree will provide for me. If this lot ever get in I might just quit work.

If it's that easy why aren't you doing that now?

 

Taking tax off an £80k salary roughly equates to a £54k take home not accounting for student loan repayments/allowances etc.  The median annual gross income in the UK (ie. the middle point if you were to list the gross annual income of all UK workers in ascending order) is £22,044 according to a quick google which amounts to £18k after tax using the same calculation method as above.

 

If you no longer see the point in working because you're only going to be making 55p in every pound you earn beyond a point where you're already taking home 3 times the national median (and so by basic inference more than 3 times of what is made by 49.9999999999% of the country's workforce) then I'm not sure how any government policy can possibly satisfy you short of pledging to funnel all public funds directly into your bank account.

[Carl the Llama]

I think that point highlights the rather sad driving force of a capitalist economy: The need to have more than everyone else instead of being happy with compromising one's personal wealth for the sake of a fairer society.

[Guest Kopfkino]

27 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Why was he wrong? Deficit reduction isn't liked to growth, and the policies that enable it to it do the opposite. I'm not exactly clued up but that seems basic to me.

 

Edit: nope he's gone

 

I didn't say he was wrong, did i? Just looking forward to debating policy that isn't from cloud cuckoo

 

That being said, real econ isn't quite so simple as deficit reduction isn't linked to growth. Ofc if the government goes on a spending splurge then it might artificially inflate GDP temporarily

[Guest]

I come back to the same question again and again. In the last 7 years what has improved for ordinary people?

[Bryn]

I think part of the problem is no one sees the value in with taxes they pay. For all we complain, we do have a country where the roads are viable, the health service will fix you for free, the police are relatively impervious to corruption, the politicians do have to make a vague attempt at justifying their actions, our armed forces do deter aggression and are capable of influencing other nations, the bins are taken, fires are put out and so on. We have it pretty good in this country and I think lifting the minimum standard of living can only benefit middle income families in the long run.

[Guest Kopfkino]

15 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I come back to the same question again and again. In the last 7 years what has improved for ordinary people?

 

4 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether. Everyone bar the richest have seem their taxes fall

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

We have had growth, haven't you seen the figures? 

 

Although did you not watch the last budget? It was going to be as profligate as some of the stuff McDonnell was proposing. 

Growth the year that the Tories came into power was 3.1%. It is now 1.1%. That is not progress.

 

IN terms of being profligate, the Tories always talk of having reduced the deficit by 2/3. If the deficit is currently around £52b then it follows that they have reduced it from around £150b (I haven't see actual figures) over 7 years. Labour are proposing around £50b of additional spending so, rather than going back to the 1970s and some huge overspend, even if every penny was borrowed (and it clearly isn't even if they do have to borrow more - as the Tories have - due to under performance of the economy) they would simply be going back to the spending of about 3 years ago. 

 

4 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

 

4 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether. Everyone bar the richest have seem their taxes fall

There we go, wasn't so hard. Thanks to the Liberals the Tories did indeed do this and it was a good policy. That's one. Who's got number 2?

 

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

 

4 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether. Everyone bar the richest have seem their taxes fall

BTW - If it's okay for the Tories to tax the richest, why not Labour?