Andy King testimonial ! Will there be one?

[Stadt]

He can't win,

Doesn't start often but doesn't kick up a fuss about leaving so that means he's unambitious. When he does start he's not good enough.

 

King knows that he's not going to be a starter but he's a fantastic squad player to have and I'd rather King come on as a sub that came from our youth team than a journeyman.

[HighPeakFox]

I am always taken aback how hateful some people are.

[hackneyfox]

10 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I am always taken aback how hateful some people are.

I don't see where anyone has been 'hateful'. Just differences of opinions.

[HighPeakFox]

40 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

I don't see where anyone has been 'hateful'. Just differences of opinions.

I find routine dismissal of a player that numerous managers have trusted to be fairly hateful. 

[Koke]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I find routine dismissal of a player that numerous managers have trusted to be fairly hateful. 

 

Not true. Shakespeare doesn't trust him and neither did Ranieri in his last 6 months.

 

It's a myth that King is "reliable" and "doesn't let anyone down". In the Championship that is true but not in the PL. Shakespeare and Ranieri would rather flog DD and throw a 21 year Ghanian into the deep end rather than trust King. Not even our fans trust King ffs.

[Devonfox1884]

I'd trust King over Amartey 100%. I think that King/Ndidi would actually be a decent partnership in the event DD got injured. The problem is that the majority of the times Kingy has started in the prem, it has been alongside DD, and they are too similar in play style - see the Gerrard/Lampard problem for England. A Kingy/Ndidi partnership would have a good balance imo. Wouldn't mind testing it maybe until the end of the season to give Drinky an early break and extra recuperation time.

[HighPeakFox]

Not trusting a player might involve him never being picked, never being used, dumped in the u23s, being loaned out, being sold.... 

[hackneyfox]

19 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I find routine dismissal of a player that numerous managers have trusted to be fairly hateful. 

Dismissal is hardly hateful. I don't rate him (certainly not since he scored regularly under Sven), doesn't mean I hate him.

[HighPeakFox]

6 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Dismissal is hardly hateful. I don't rate him (certainly not since he scored regularly under Sven), doesn't mean I hate him.

Sure. Look at the way some people write, though, some people can barely wait to slag certain players of ours off. 

[Stevosevic]

20 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

Perhaps he's stuck with us through thick and thin because nobody else has ever tried to sign him?

Obviously not true.

[hackneyfox]

5 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Obviously not true.

Based on what, a rumour that Everton were after him?

They failed to follow up even after we got relegated.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

27 minutes ago, Koke said:

Shakespeare doesn't trust him

Is that why Kingy's come on for multiple games recently to shut things down and shore things up? Because CS doesn't trust his ability? Sounds reasonable. 

 

Edit; Thinking about this again it get more hilarious  

 

Craig on the sidelines at West Brom away:

"Bloody hell, this game's getting a bit scrappy, all it would take is one lucky ball into the box and Rondon to be in the right place and we're pegged back. Still 25 mins or so to go, the momentum could easily shift here and we could lose this. The midfield is getting overrun a bit here, DD is struggling and Ndidi can't pick up the slack. I know! Lets chuck Kingy on, I have absolutely no faith in his ability and I think he'll be a liability in there. KINGY! Get your boots on lad!" 

[Tommeh]

27 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Not true. Shakespeare doesn't trust him and neither did Ranieri in his last 6 months.

 

It's a myth that King is "reliable" and "doesn't let anyone down". In the Championship that is true but not in the PL. Shakespeare and Ranieri would rather flog DD and throw a 21 year Ghanian into the deep end rather than trust King. Not even our fans trust King ffs.

Bringing on a player you 'don't trust' at half time in a Champions League quarter final 

 

Close the site. 

[Tommeh]

Kingy's testimonial is probably the next City game I'm really looking forward to tbh

[Stevosevic]

14 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Based on what, a rumour that Everton were after him?

They failed to follow up even after we got relegated.

Nobody knows what goes on in the background - not everything hits the papers.

 

Every chance King's agent doesn't offer him round to other clubs and if there has been any contact from other clubs, King may have killed it before a bid was even made by saying he's not interested.

 

[Koke]

17 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Is that why Kingy's come on for multiple games recently to shut things down and shore things up? Because CS doesn't trust his ability? Sounds reasonable. 

 

Edit; Thinking about this again it get more hilarious  

 

Craig on the sidelines at West Brom away:

"Bloody hell, this game's getting a bit scrappy, all it would take is one lucky ball into the box and Rondon to be in the right place and we're pegged back. Still 25 mins or so to go, the momentum could easily shift here and we could lose this. The midfield is getting overrun a bit here, DD is struggling and Ndidi can't pick up the slack. I know! Lets chuck Kingy on, I have absolutely no faith in his ability and I think he'll be a liability in there. KINGY! Get your boots on lad!" 

 

I ask again, DD had been half fit and out of form so why hasn't CR and Shakey given him a rest and started King for 5/6/7 games in a row? People seemingly wanna ignore this obvious fact. DD has been flogged by both Ranieri and Shakespeare. It's one thing to give King 10-15 minutes to close a game down. It's another thing to start him for a number of games straight. And that hasn't happened because King is not trusted. 

 

Even a 21 year old Amartey is/was ahead of King this season under Ranieri, when we all knew Amartey wasn't up to it.

[Koke]

20 minutes ago, Tommeh said:

Bringing on a player you 'don't trust' at half time in a Champions League quarter final 

 

Close the site. 

 

Ranieri trusted Amartey over King. Shakespeare would rather play an injured Drinkwater than start King. These are facts.

 

In a 5 man midfield  (like Atletico) or a weakened side (like Everton) is where King us thrown in. 

 

People become allergic to facts when it comes to King and start getting emotional. Nobody hates him. Just because some of us don't rate him doesn't mean we hate him.

[AdamLcfc81]

2 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Ranieri trusted Amartey over King. Shakespeare would rather play an injured Drinkwater than start King. These are facts.

 

In a 5 man midfield  (like Atletico) or a weakened side (like Everton) is where King us thrown in. 

 

People become allergic to facts when it comes to King and start getting emotional. Nobody hates him. Just because some of us don't rate him doesn't mean we hate him.

Spot on. Close thread. 

[hackneyfox]

52 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Obviously not true.

 

33 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Nobody knows what goes on in the background - not everything hits the papers.

 

Every chance King's agent doesn't offer him round to other clubs and if there has been any contact from other clubs, King may have killed it before a bid was even made by saying he's not interested.

 

Make your mind up, your first you claim it's obviously not true that nobody has ever tried to sign him then you're saying nobody knows what has happened.

[sk3since03]

I'm not a fan but he's never let himself the team or the club down

 

Scored and assisted in some important goals through the seasons 

 

He deserves a testimonial 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

4 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

I ask again, DD had been half fit and out of form so why hasn't CR and Shakey given him a rest and started King for 5/6/7 games in a row? People seemingly wanna ignore this obvious fact. DD has been flogged by both Ranieri and Shakespeare. It's one thing to give King 10-15 minutes to close a game down. It's another thing to start him for a number of games straight. And that hasn't happened because King is not trusted. 

 

Even a 21 year old Amartey is/was ahead of King this season under Ranieri, when we all knew Amartey wasn't up to it.

I don't think anyone is saying he's better than even an out of form DD and Ndidi, we're not up in arms becasue he isn't starting and we're not criticising the management because he's not starting games. 

 

But to say that Shakespeare, somebody that has seen Kingy literally spend his whole career here, grow from the kid to the old guard, somebody that the captain takes to meetings with the manager, doesn't trust him is downright laughable. 

[Koke]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I don't think anyone is saying he's better than even an out of form DD and Ndidi, we're not up in arms becasue he isn't starting and we're not criticising the management because he's not starting games. 

 

But to say that Shakespeare, somebody that has seen Kingy literally spend his whole career here, grow from the kid to the old guard, somebody that the captain takes to meetings with the manager, doesn't trust him is downright laughable. 

 

If he's not better than an out of form & injured Drinkwater then I'm sorry, that's a sad indictment on King. And that's exactly the problem.

 

It's not like King is 33 and on his last legs. He's 28 in his peak. It's poor by him that he can't alleviate pressure off our CMs. Drinkwater could tear his ACL and Shakespeare would still play him over King. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

If he's not better than an out of form & injured Drinkwater then I'm sorry, that's a sad indictment on King. And that's exactly the problem.

 

It's not like King is 33 and on his last legs. He's 28 in his peak. It's poor by him that he can't alleviate pressure off our CMs. Drinkwater could tear his ACL and Shakespeare would still play him over King. 

I don't think you're understanding the point I'm trying to make. I don't care if King is worse than DD even if he is injured. CS has demonstrated that he feels King is ahead of Amartey multiple times anyway, when did DA come on in centre midfield last? Sevilla return leg for about 5 minutes iirc. 

 

The point I have an issue with is that you say CS doesn't trust King. Which is laughable. Laughable. 

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree here I think.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, AdamLcfc81 said:

Spot on. Close thread. 

Close thread? It's about whether he deserves a testimonial or not.

 

He does. Close thread.

[Koke]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I don't think you're understanding the point I'm trying to make. I don't care if King is worse than DD even if he is injured. CS has demonstrated that he feels King is ahead of Amartey multiple times anyway, when did DA come on in centre midfield last? Sevilla return leg for about 5 minutes iirc. 

 

The point I have an issue with is that you say CS doesn't trust King. Which is laughable. Laughable. 

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree here I think.

 

It's not laughable because if he trusted King he wouldn't persist with an injured and out of form Drinkwater. He would bench Drinkwater for a period. Thsts the point I'm trying to get across.

 

But fair enough, we have differences of opinions and I respect that