Slimani

[foxfanazer]

56 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

The guy is bang average 

 

slight improvement on Leo 

 

thats about it really 

I prefer Leo personally 

[volpeazzurro]

49 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

The guy is bang average 

 

slight improvement on Leo 

 

thats about it really 

It's odd how we all see things differently and I'm not for one minute saying that your wrong. It's just that I detect quite a streak of class in Slimani. If you look at the difference between Vardy under Pearson and how and where he played him compared with how Ranieri employed him, suddenly he went from a mediocre low scoring  number 9 to a record breaker!  Slimani for me is an old fashioned English number 9 who, despite carrying injuries has been asked to play in an unfamiliar role. Even then his goals per minutes on the pitch isn't bad. 

 

I too after a preseason will be interested to see how Slimani goes.

 

[Foxxed]

8 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I prefer Leo personally 

Slim has the best goals per minute played ratio in our side? You prefer Leo?

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Slim has the best goals per minute played ratio in our side? You prefer Leo?

I'm sure Ulloa did too in our 1st season back in the prem when he was getting regular game time. 

 

Scored some huge goals too

[Thracian]

On 2017-5-26 at 18:41, the fox said:

ATM, I would take kantè over him. But I believe pogba has a lot more potential and technical ability.

 

Looking at the intangibles, pogba is the superior player, big, fast, strong, can defend and and attack, can play as a box to box and as a deep laying playmaker.

 

He is (like they say in the NBA) a unicorn, he has the body of a midfield destroyer but the technical ability of a world class "small" box to box.

 

I truly think that united are not tapping into his full potential, in a midfield 3 with a proper strong DM, Herrera and him, he can be a top 5 player in the league,

But Kante keeps helping teams win Premiership titles...a nice habit that for a footballer.   

[Foxxed]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I'm sure Ulloa did too in our 1st season back in the prem when he was getting regular game time. 

 

Scored some huge goals too

We're not in the first season though. We've just finished the third. And Slimani's performances kept Ulloa out of the team.

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

We're not in the first season though. We've just finished the third. And Slimani's performances kept Ulloa out of the team.

Which performances in particular?

 

Don't know why you're worried that I prefer Ulloa..... 

[Foxxed]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Which performances in particular?

 

Don't know why you're worried that I prefer Ulloa..... 

It just seems a bit mad, ignoring the stats.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Foxxed said:

It just seems a bit mad, ignoring the stats.

Who said I'm ignoring the stats? I just prefer Ulloa and don't think Slimani is a big improvement if at all

[Foxxed]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Who said I'm ignoring the stats? I just prefer Ulloa and don't think Slimani is a big improvement if at all

It doesn't matter to you that per minute played he's superior to Leo. And this is in Slimani's first season here suffering from injury part way. Seems like ignoring the stats to me.

 

[foxfanazer]

8 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

It doesn't matter to you that per minute played he's superior to Leo. And this is in Slimani's first season here suffering from injury part way. Seems like ignoring the stats to me.

 

How was Ulloa meant to get a better goal to minute ratio when he's hardly played? Slimani has been poor

 

And like I said Ulloa had the best goal ratio in his first season but you chose to ignore those stats. Interesting 

 

Also cost us £20m more let's not forget

[themightyfin]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

How was Ulloa meant to get a better goal to minute ratio when he's hardly played? Slimani has been poor

I would hardly say he's been poor. He has a touch of class about him and a fully fit Slim will show an improvement on an already impressive goals ratio return record.

However much I like Leo he's not fit to lace Slims boots. 

[foxfanazer]

Just now, themightyfin said:

I would hardly say he's been poor. He has a touch of class about him and a fully fit Slim will show an improvement on an already impressive goals ratio return record.

However much I like Leo he's not fit to lace Slims boots. 

Will he ever be fully fit. Seem to be signing a lot of crocks recently 

[themightyfin]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

How was Ulloa meant to get a better goal to minute ratio when he's hardly played? Slimani has been poor

What did he actually do to show he should have played more?

Remember he said he would never play again???

 

[Foxxed]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

How was Ulloa meant to get a better goal to minute ratio when he's hardly played? Slimani has been poor

 

And like I said Ulloa had the best goal ratio in his first season but you chose to ignore those stats. Interesting 

It's not the first season anymore.

 

Ulloa played 555 minutes this season. He scored one goal.

 

Slimani played three times that, 1551 minutes. He scored eight goals.

 

And you prefer Ulloa.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, themightyfin said:

What did he actually do to show he should have played more?

Remember he said he would never play again???

 

My point is the other guy is bringing up about goals per minute stat which is hardly worth comparing considering Ulloa didn't play. I'm not suggesting we should start playing Ulloa or that I'd be against us selling him. I just prefer him to Slimani who hasn't impressed me 

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

It's not the first season anymore.

 

Ulloa played 555 minutes this season. He scored one goal.

 

Slimani played three times that, 1551 minutes. He scored eight goals.

 

And you prefer Ulloa.

Last 10 minutes of games isnt really a fair comparison to starting games is it. I don't give a shit what you think of my opinion so don't know what you're trying to achieve

 

I'm sure people don't just pick the players they like based on stats, although it appears you do

[themightyfin]

10 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Last 10 minutes of games isnt really a fair comparison to starting games is it. I don't give a shit what you think of my opinion so don't know what you're trying to achieve

 

I'm sure people don't just pick the players they like based on stats, although it appears you do

Don't particularly care much for players who refuse to play for us to be  honest. 

[Thracian]

49 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

We're not in the first season though. We've just finished the third. And Slimani's performances kept Ulloa out of the team.

It could be argued that the relative price tags had some influence on that. Was Ulloa part of our title winning season or Slimani? I actually think both are capable players but also that you'd stand Slim's corner ahead of Gerd Muller.

 

How we'll end up thinking about Slimani remains to be seen. For whatever reason he's been a bit like McCavity - not there because he's  injured, on the bench or away at AFCON.     

 

What interests me is whether Shakespeare can blend him into a second title-challenging team or whether he's just the wrong piece for our particular puzzle.

 

But his being Algerian won't carry any relevence, as it clearly does to you. I wouldn't care if he was Martian if he cogged into our team effectively.

 

I just don't know if he does, or will. 

 

   

 

  

 

    

[Thracian]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

Who said I'm ignoring the stats? I just prefer Ulloa and don't think Slimani is a big improvement if at all

You're perfectly entitled to ignore the stats. Stats say a lot but so does the BBC.  

 

Shinji would make a great ice-show entertainer or gymnastics floor-exercises specialist. But he's the ugliest footballer I've considered a hero since Frank Large was here and probably wouldn't have got into my junior school team as a striker (because I wore the number nine shirt and always took it home with me)!.

  

But the thing about Shinji is that he fits. I don't know why we should do so well with 10 vertical footballers and one horizontal or 10 players who look relatively at ease with the ball and one who reacts as if it's trying to bite him. But it doesn't matter..

 

Shinji just makes an art form of representing chaos in motion and we all love the guy for his efforts, his boundless enthusiasm, the fact that he so clearly loves playing for us and his priceless contribution to the worst goals ever seen.

 

Maybe he reflects what we are - a squad of imperfect, largely inexpensive footballers who came together, confounded all the experts, and made history. 

 

Perhaps Putin and Trump could produce stats to justify Shinji playing for Barcelona, but anything reliable would struggle to make the case for his being a striker for Bryant and May let alone some Premiership team.

 

Truth is, he's only half a player.  But that's half in midfield, half up front and seemingly half each at the same time. And that's been exactly what we've seemed to need.

 

But there's no logic to it and no stats would ever fly his flag with conviction.

 

    

 

       

[Foxxed]

45 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Last 10 minutes of games isnt really a fair comparison to starting games is it. I don't give a shit what you think of my opinion so don't know what you're trying to achieve

 

I'm sure people don't just pick the players they like based on stats, although it appears you do

Just chatting about football, friend!

 

A lot Slim's game time was in the latter stages of a game too.

 

Say we give Ulloa the same game time as Slim, three times as much.

 

Based on goals per minute, he'd only be on three goals. Give him a charitable extra. He's on four goals.

 

Slimani scored eight. He's twice the goal scorer, even if you're being charitable to Ulloa.

 

I don't think Slimani is as good for the team as Shinji yet, but he's definitely better than Ulloa based on goals scored per minute, even if you give Ulloa the same amount of time and are charitable.

[Topman]

9 minutes ago, Thracian said:

You're perfectly entitled to ignore the stats. Stats say a lot but so does the BBC.  

 

Shinji would make a great ice-show entertainer or gymnastics floor-exercises specialist. But he's the ugliest footballer I've considered a hero since Frank Large was here and probably wouldn't have got into my junior school team as a striker (because I wore the number nine shirt and always took it home with me)!.

  

But the thing about Shinji is that he fits. I don't know why we should do so well with 10 vertical footballers and one horizontal or 10 players who look relatively at ease with the ball and one who reacts as if it's trying to bite him. But it doesn't matter..

 

Shinji just makes an art form of representing chaos in motion and we all love the guy for his efforts, his boundless enthusiasm, the fact that he so clearly loves playing for us and his priceless contribution to the worst goals ever seen.

 

Maybe he reflects what we are - a squad of imperfect, largely inexpensive footballers who came together, confounded all the experts, and made history. 

 

Perhaps Putin and Trump could produce stats to justify Shinji playing for Barcelona, but anything reliable would struggle to jmake the case for his being a striker for Bryant and May let alone some Premiership team.

 

Truth is, he's only half a player.  But that's half in midfield, half up front and seemingly half each at the same time. And that's been exactly what we've seemed to need.

 

But there's no logic to it and no stats would ever fly his flag with conviction.

 

    

 

       

great post, I love shinji- he is so underrated, we are much better when is in the team, he either score ugly or absolute belters

[murphy]

Slimani is comfortably better than Leo.  

 

Done it at international and European level, there is no comparison.

[murphy]

35 minutes ago, Thracian said:

You're perfectly entitled to ignore the stats. Stats say a lot but so does the BBC.  

 

Shinji would make a great ice-show entertainer or gymnastics floor-exercises specialist. But he's the ugliest footballer I've considered a hero since Frank Large was here and probably wouldn't have got into my junior school team as a striker (because I wore the number nine shirt and always took it home with me)!.

  

But the thing about Shinji is that he fits. I don't know why we should do so well with 10 vertical footballers and one horizontal or 10 players who look relatively at ease with the ball and one who reacts as if it's trying to bite him. But it doesn't matter..

 

Shinji just makes an art form of representing chaos in motion and we all love the guy for his efforts, his boundless enthusiasm, the fact that he so clearly loves playing for us and his priceless contribution to the worst goals ever seen.

 

Maybe he reflects what we are - a squad of imperfect, largely inexpensive footballers who came together, confounded all the experts, and made history. 

 

Perhaps Putin and Trump could produce stats to justify Shinji playing for Barcelona, but anything reliable would struggle to make the case for his being a striker for Bryant and May let alone some Premiership team.

 

Truth is, he's only half a player.  But that's half in midfield, half up front and seemingly half each at the same time. And that's been exactly what we've seemed to need.

 

But there's no logic to it and no stats would ever fly his flag with conviction.

 

    

 

       

That kind of hits the nail on the head regarding Shinji for me.  It shouldn't work and I don't rate him as a player one bit.  He can't even last a full game, in fact he's bloomin' hopeless... but somehow it does work.

[the fox]

2 hours ago, Thracian said:

But Kante keeps helping teams win Premiership titles...a nice habit that for a footballer.   

Not taking anything away from him. Like I said, ATM kantè is better, but pogba has so much potential....... Unless you think kantè has the higher ceiling.