GaelicFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, Babylon said: No it nearly turned out in relegation after he was given power. He is precisely the opposite of what we need. Baffling that anyone could see this seasons shambles and how players reacted and said that. Claudio ... Won us the league Players ... Won us the league but when we were almost relegated the players got a free ride off many and the poor auld manager got sacked over a chicken burger mancini is tough no nonsense type and will make sure we are restocked with talent to make sure the troublemakers are on thier guard he has a great pedigree and record .... I really hope and pray this is happening it would show the owners are serious about being ambitious
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 5 minutes ago, tylesta said: Pearson was meant to have had plenty of bust ups! One thing rumours. Another thing have arguments on the pitch during a game and photos of in fighting on the training ground.
Babylon Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 8 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Oxymoron. Don't call me a moron!!!!
Babylon Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 12 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: Claudio ... Won us the league Players ... Won us the league but when we were almost relegated the players got a free ride off many and the poor auld manager got sacked over a chicken burger mancini is tough no nonsense type and will make sure we are restocked with talent to make sure the troublemakers are on thier guard he has a great pedigree and record .... I really hope and pray this is happening it would show the owners are serious about being ambitious It would show the owners haven't done their due diligence like you haven't. Ranieri won the league when forced to work within our existing framework. The second we away from that, carnage. Recruitment is done by the recruitment team and not the manager for the last time. If it wasn't we wouldn't be far along in terms of targets already as stated.
GaelicFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: It would show the owners haven't done their due diligence like you haven't. Ranieri won the league when forced to work within our existing framework. The second we away from that, carnage. Framework ... Righto
Robin JD Popley Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Well he's the manager I want to be brought in and I backed Claudio when others didn't. For me, he could take us on again. We were the reigning champions for goodness sake and surely want to be building on that recent history rather than return to becoming no more than a perennial mid table team? Roberto Mancini, I feel, would be able to complete that transition towards an established top 6 club (and more) into a permanent fixture.
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 5 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: Framework ... Righto Yeah like when Sousa worked a treat when he started trying to play possession football with a load of players who prefer a direct style. Babylon's completely bang on. You can't just change a squad and their style over a summer. So many teams have tried it and so many failed. Its clear these players won't take to a hardline manager and it's also clear that this club don't allow a manager to call the shots on transfers (instead it's a collective decision). There was a great interview with the Watford chief exec on 5Live this afternoon. Football clubs want managers what fit to their ethos and style. They don't want to change that every time a manager comes in. It's too much upheaveal in the back room staff for starters. It's more expensive. It leads to relegation.
sylofox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Not for me. Short term project maybe. To much like Jose and would not want him either.
Babylon Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 4 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: Framework ... Righto So you think it was his choice to work with Shakespeare, Walsh, Sports Science, Scouting.... no, his hand was forced. Our setup is trying to be similar to Saints now, managers have to fit to us. Not us changing everything for the manager.
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 23 minutes ago, Babylon said: Fan forum crap spread by idiots is one thing, respectable press slating the fella is another. Like when all the media was spouting that the players here went to the owners to get ranieri out? It Is amazing how people pick the facts they want to hear from the media to put their own agenda across How can we as a club turn down someone like Mancini are you all mad
GaelicFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: So you think it was his choice to work with Shakespeare, Walsh, Sports Science, Scouting.... no, his hand was forced. Our setup is trying to be similar to Saints now, managers have to fit to us. Not us changing everything for the manager. this magical framework build ? And who built it ? Walsh ? Pearson ? And when was the magical framework built when we were bottom of league in February 2015 or top of the league May 2016 framework ....... Too funny Manici is a proven winner .... I'd love shaky to stay on , but it's not happening , it never was Southampton .... Our owners have much bigger ambition ...or so they spout we will soon find out how much
sylofox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: So you think it was his choice to work with Shakespeare, Walsh, Sports Science, Scouting.... no, his hand was forced. Our setup is trying to be similar to Saints now, managers have to fit to us. Not us changing everything for the manager. Even more so now. Our owners have seen this season what happens when changes are made. A football club is for life not one season.
sylofox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 3 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: this magical framework build ? And who built it ? Walsh ? Pearson ? And when was the magical framework built when we were bottom of league in February 2015 or top of the league May 2016 framework ....... Too funny Manici is a proven winner .... I'd love shaky to stay on , but it's not happening , it never was "It never was" Source please.
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 2 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: this magical framework build ? And who built it ? Walsh ? Pearson ? And when was the magical framework built when we were bottom of league in February 2015 or top of the league May 2016 framework ....... Too funny Manici is a proven winner .... I'd love shaky to stay on , but it's not happening , it never was Why did the owners ask shakey, Walsh, Stowell, the Sports Science team, Matt Reeves and the scouting staff all to stay then when Ranieri arrived? There was a framework. A plan. As soon as Ranieri started to disregard backeoom staff advice it went to pot. Ranieri's greatest feat was recognising what we had was good and with some tweaks could be made better. Why he decided to abandon it at such a quick pace was baffling.
Dan Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 I've never been massively convinced by Mancini. I get he used to play for us but I'm not confident in this one. Given the choice of him or Schmidt it's the German.
sylofox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Why did the owners ask shakey, Walsh, Stowell, the Sports Science team, Matt Reeves and the scouting staff all to stay then when Ranieri arrived? There was a framework. A plan. As soon as Ranieri started to disregard backeoom staff advice it went to pot. Ranieri's greatest feat was recognising what we had was good and with some tweaks could be made better. Why he decided to abandon it at such a quick pace was baffling. Didnt CR state he had nothing to change as he had inherited the perfect set up.
Babylon Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 15 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: Like when all the media was spouting that the players here went to the owners to get ranieri out? It Is amazing how people pick the facts they want to hear from the media to put their own agenda across How can we as a club turn down someone like Mancini are you all mad Not all the media were, the ones who knew the club said what was happening. The same as they did there. There are good reporters out there you know. Not mad, just done research.
pazzerfox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Mancini is odds on favourite to take over at West Ham. Don't think he's coming here.
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 10 minutes ago, sylofox said: Didnt CR state he had nothing to change as he had inherited the perfect set up. Exactly even admitted as much himself. Didn't alter pre season at all when arriving. Said he wanted English style with a bit of Italian tactics. The bloke was a genius for trusting the existing set up when he could have easily scrapped it. You wonder if part of the interview process by the club includes having to accept you taking on the existing staff etc. It's the norm in European football.
l444ry Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Mancini has won trophies at every club he's ever managed, except his second stint at that nut job club Inter. Seems odd that anyone would question him.
Babylon Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 21 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: this magical framework build ? And who built it ? Walsh ? Pearson ? And when was the magical framework built when we were bottom of league in February 2015 or top of the league May 2016 framework ....... Too funny Manici is a proven winner .... I'd love shaky to stay on , but it's not happening , it never was Southampton .... Our owners have much bigger ambition ...or so they spout we will soon find out how much If there wasn't a framework Ranieri wouldn't have been told to work within it and use our staff. It there wants a framework we would have been bidding on players before Ranieri arrived and after Pearson left (Kante). If there wasn't a framework we wouldn't have a temporary manager stating we're well advanced in terms of recruitment. Saints have the same ambitions as us and they've proved their style works. Changes don't rip the club to bits as people fit around them, they don't fit around managers.
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 9 minutes ago, l444ry said: Mancini has won trophies at every club he's ever managed, except his second stint at that nut job club Inter. Seems odd that anyone would question him. Those clubs being:- Fiorentina (left them in the relegation zone), Lazio (decent job) Inter (won everything domestically whilst Juve farted about in Serie B but failed in Europe) Man City (won trophies to the tune of a few million but also finished 5th and 4th, losing a cup final to Wigan) Galatasaray (failed to win the league) Its not really that great all things considered. Good summary why he left Man City here http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22523981
l444ry Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Those clubs being:- Fiorentina (left them in the relegation zone), Lazio (decent job) Inter (won everything domestically whilst Juve farted about in Serie B but failed in Europe) Man City (won trophies to the tune of a few million but also finished 5th and 4th, losing a cup final to Wigan) Galatasaray (failed to win the league) Its not really that great all things considered. Haha. Good try at rewriting history and taking credit away from a serial winner. It's all about opinions.
Dan Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Yeah like when Sousa worked a treat when he started trying to play possession football with a load of players who prefer a direct style. Babylon's completely bang on. You can't just change a squad and their style over a summer. So many teams have tried it and so many failed. Its clear these players won't take to a hardline manager and it's also clear that this club don't allow a manager to call the shots on transfers (instead it's a collective decision). There was a great interview with the Watford chief exec on 5Live this afternoon. Football clubs want managers what fit to their ethos and style. They don't want to change that every time a manager comes in. It's too much upheaveal in the back room staff for starters. It's more expensive. It leads to relegation. That is why Schmidt would be my choice. I think he fits in well with our ethos and could potentially take it further.
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