Strokes Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: All of you lot banging on about chlorinated chicken - have you ever tried chlorine? It's one of the most delicious gases I've ever tasted. Can't get enough of it, personally It makes diluted piss water taste better, what’s not to like?
Rogstanley Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Strokes said: Hold your horses, it might not be so bad...........oh wait is the express ok to use, something about bikinis.....oh well. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/879163/Brexit-Britain-135-billion-windfall-after-EU-divorce Oh look it's that report again. Fair play to Patrick Minford, by having the only economics organisation that says anything remotely positive abiut brexit he has assured himself a steady stream of pay cheques from pro-brexit media. If any of you lot on the right can be bothered to read more than a bias-confirming headline, here is a thorough debunking of pretty much every single assumption Minford makes. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjkzP-bxcDXAhUrC8AKHUS-BewQFggfMAE&usg=AOvVaw3U-4x54IeyZmQTrOfJfNU1 Edited 15 November 2017 by Rogstanley 1
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: It makes diluted piss water taste better, what’s not to like? It can taste better? 1
Guest MattP Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 First time in months May looked back to normal at PMQ's today and seemed relaxed, surprising given recent events.
Strokes Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: First time in months May looked back to normal at PMQ's today and seemed relaxed, surprising given recent events. We’ve had a few false dawns with May looking comfortable. I wish she would just face these rebels down in the commons or fùck off. We need someone who is not afraid of being defeated right now and she really isn’t that person. Lets get those people who want to derail brexit out into the open, instead of lurking in the shadows.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: First time in months May looked back to normal at PMQ's today and seemed relaxed, surprising given recent events. Often the calmest a person on death row is, is when they’re walking to the gallows.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Often the calmest a person on death row is, is when they’re walking to the gallows. 'Demob-happy' sprung to my mind. That is a phrase, isn't it? I don't know where I get this shite from, I really don't
Guest Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 43 minutes ago, MattP said: Polls still barely moving. CON 41% LAB 41% LD 7% UKIP 4% ICM : (Nov 9-12) If there's one thing we've learnt from the last few elections it's that we can't trust polls.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 16 minutes ago, toddybad said: If there's one thing we've learnt from the last few elections it's that we can't trust polls. Or experts. Bloody experts
Guest Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 7 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Or experts. Bloody experts Though Gove seems to be listening to them now he's got the environment gig. Just a shame he didn't start earlier. 42 minutes ago, Strokes said: We’ve had a few false dawns with May looking comfortable. I wish she would just face these rebels down in the commons or fùck off. We need someone who is not afraid of being defeated right now and she really isn’t that person. Lets get those people who want to derail brexit out into the open, instead of lurking in the shadows. It's not the Brexit rebels she's afraid of. They are in the open. It's the hard Brexit fundamentalists she's afraid of.
Claridge Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 1 hour ago, Rogstanley said: Oh look it's that report again. Fair play to Patrick Minford, by having the only economics organisation that says anything remotely positive abiut brexit he has assured himself a steady stream of pay cheques from pro-brexit media. If any of you lot on the right can be bothered to read more than a bias-confirming headline, here is a thorough debunking of pretty much every single assumption Minford makes. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjkzP-bxcDXAhUrC8AKHUS-BewQFggfMAE&usg=AOvVaw3U-4x54IeyZmQTrOfJfNU1 Many on the left voted leave or does that not fit your argument?
Buce Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 39 minutes ago, toddybad said: If there's one thing we've learnt from the last few elections it's that we can't trust polls. 22 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Or experts. Bloody experts Or Tories...
leicsmac Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 hours ago, Innovindil said: Because it's not crap and it's cheap. The **** sort of question is that? As for the "but muh mean muricans" question. We can say no. As we've always had the ability to do. I hope that we do - this current administration is poison and the more the UK says no to them, the better. 2 hours ago, MattP said: As I hope you took from my light hearted post, if anyone chooses to be bothered about it whilst not also being concerned by the visit we had from Barack Obama, the hypocrisy of it would be astounding wouldn't it? We already know there was foreign interference in the referendum, we saw it with our very own eyes from the USA, on the subject, I doubt a few Russian bots could seriously have that much influence, even if it did, it would be certainly nowhere near the influence on the people that his visit was intended to have on our own electorate, which was organised by our own government. 4 Considering it's highly likely it had a large role in shaping the recent US election, I'm not sure the possibility should be discounted out of hand.
Fox Ulike Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 hours ago, Innovindil said: Not really, no. Because in the end, the right decision was made (for me at least) I don't particularly care what grass the sheep were fed to make them follow, only that they baaaaa'd on cue. OK but if you've been duped then you would think that the right decision had been made! That, after all, is the purpose of the Russian Troll houses - to make you think that Brexit was the right decision. Do you ever worry that you're one of the sheep baaaaa-ing? Don't you question why the Russians would want the UK out of the EU? After all, I doubt that Putin funded the interference in UK democracy out of the goodness of his heart...
Fox Ulike Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 30 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I hope that we do - this current administration is poison and the more the UK says no to them, the better. Considering it's highly likely it had a large role in shaping the recent US election, I'm not sure the possibility should be discounted out of hand. Agreed. It's bizarre that, as in the USA, certain sections of the British public simply don't care about the Russians essentially declaring cyber-war on us!! What's worrying is that we don't know how long it's been going on; and it's unlikely that the Russians would stop there. Are there UK politicians who have been 'bought' by the Russians in order to try and fracture British unity and British democracy?
Guest MattP Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 34 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Considering it's highly likely it had a large role in shaping the recent US election, I'm not sure the possibility should be discounted out of hand. Highly likely? Do you really think potential Clinton voters went to Trump because of fake Russian tweets? I'm finding the whole thing a bit laughable now. I've never met anyone has changed an opinion from Twitter, let alone the 1.4 odd million you would need to change the result. Polls on the EU ref have been close for years. But the point stands, even if they did interfere, it wasn't near to the level of foreign intervention that the remain side encouraged and invited.
Guest MattP Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 Speaking of pro- Russian trolls interfering in UK democracy, here's an obvious one https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/nato-peace-threat-ukraine-military-conflict
Strokes Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: Highly likely? Do you really think potential Clinton voters went to Trump because of fake Russian tweets? I'm finding the whole thing a bit laughable now. I've never met anyone has changed an opinion from Twitter, let alone the 1.4 odd million you would need to change the result. Polls on the EU ref have been close for years. But the point stands, even if they did interfere, it wasn't near to the level of foreign intervention that the remain side encouraged and invited. It’s just another attempt to undermine the result and subsequent opinions.
James. Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: I doubt a few Russian bots could seriously have that much influence Interestingly this is EXACTLY the sort of thing a Russian bot would say. Just saying. 2
Fox Ulike Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 1 hour ago, Rogstanley said: Oh look it's that report again. Fair play to Patrick Minford, by having the only economics organisation that says anything remotely positive abiut brexit he has assured himself a steady stream of pay cheques from pro-brexit media. If any of you lot on the right can be bothered to read more than a bias-confirming headline, here is a thorough debunking of pretty much every single assumption Minford makes. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjkzP-bxcDXAhUrC8AKHUS-BewQFggfMAE&usg=AOvVaw3U-4x54IeyZmQTrOfJfNU1 It's a good article. Makes a lot of sense and explains the economic consequences of Brexit easier to understand. I would advise all Brexiteers who haven't had their brains completely washed by Russian Troll bots to read it. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjkzP-bxcDXAhUrC8AKHUS-BewQFggfMAE&usg=AOvVaw3U-4x54IeyZmQTrOfJfNU1
Strokes Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: It's a good article. Makes a lot of sense and explains the economic consequences of Brexit easier to understand. I would advise all Brexiteers who haven't had their brains completely washed by Russian Troll bots to read it. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjkzP-bxcDXAhUrC8AKHUS-BewQFggfMAE&usg=AOvVaw3U-4x54IeyZmQTrOfJfNU1 I would rather be part of a new soviet republic than part of the EU, so maybe you are right. Where is my vodka?
Fox Ulike Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Highly likely? Do you really think potential Clinton voters went to Trump because of fake Russian tweets? I'm finding the whole thing a bit laughable now. I've never met anyone has changed an opinion from Twitter, let alone the 1.4 odd million you would need to change the result. Polls on the EU ref have been close for years. But the point stands, even if they did interfere, it wasn't near to the level of foreign intervention that the remain side encouraged and invited. Well of course they did! Twitter and Facebook are hugely significant information channels. Why do you or I hold the views that we hold? We haven't arrived at our political opinions completely independently of what we read in the newspapers, on TV and on the Internet. Everything influences you. Social media has a big influence on the way people think and subsequently vote. It's laughable if you choose to believe otherwise simply because it doesn't fit your own personal narrative.
Guest MattP Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s just another attempt to undermine the result and subsequent opinions. Absolutely. So obvious. It's worse across the pond than here mind, I flicked through Clinton's book last week, the whole World colluded together to beat her, not a single thing she did wrong in the whole campaign. That was the Russians, Bernie Sanders, Larry David, Home Alone, Hollywood, Brexit, the bankers, fake news and Alex Jones. She even blames Nigel Farage at one point for turning up in Mississippi, real Democrat stronghold she was on course to win that one.
Webbo Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 Does anyone think that Corbyn's better than expected result in the election was down to Russian interference?
Guest MattP Posted 15 November 2017 Posted 15 November 2017 Just now, Fox Ulike said: Well of course they did! Twitter and Facebook are hugely significant information channels. Why do you or I hold the views that we hold? We haven't arrived at our political opinions completely independently of what we read in the newspapers, on TV and on the Internet. Everything influences you. Social media has a big influence on the way people think and subsequently vote. It's laughable if you choose to believe otherwise simply because it doesn't fit your own personal narrative. What on earth? How do you explain my journey from being a young Lib Dem voter to Tory Eurosceptic then? Traveling the World had more influence on my politics than any newspaper. Ive not met anyone whose political position changes so significantly on a major issue from social media retweets. If you have I'd get some new friends capable of thinkig for themselves.
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