Webbo Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 8 hours ago, toddybad said: What's your point? The last labour government might as well have worn blue rosettes. And they weren't issuing profit warnings when they were still giving them contracts. You're clutching at straws a bit there. I thought they were the most successful govt in history, despite the fact you voted against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: I thought they were the most successful govt in history, despite the fact you voted against them. They were. As the increase in your personal worth during that period should show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 Just now, toddybad said: They were. As the increase in your personal worth during that period should show. Is that because they were Tory light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 56 minutes ago, Webbo said: Is that because they were Tory light? No. It was because they started spending in areas that had measurable impacts on the lives of ordinary people. Whilst they kept to tory spending plans in their first few years their priorities were significantly different. Over time they bright NHS spending up to the EU average and it changed patient care and waiting times enormously. Quite why the right believes the eu's 2nd richest country spending average amounts on health is too much I cannot fathom. You can *try* to be clever all you like but most people will tell you that public services improved and ordinary people were better off under that labour government. Put it this way - if you didn't vote labour after Blair's first term you would have to be a tory fundamentalist. I've never lived through a period of such political positivity. As I've said before, I voted Tory partly due to Labour running out of ideas under Brown and partly because I fell for dodgy Dave's compassionate conservatism bs. I've learnt my lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 Goodness me this thread is like groundhog day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Goodness me this thread is like groundhog day! Cue comments about Corbyn et al being very dangerous people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 20 minutes ago, Buce said: Cue comments about Corbyn et al being very dangerous people. Something something Venezuela something something IRA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 Its a big ol Britain hating eurononce gangbang people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Something something Venezuela something something IRA Something something billionaires, something something Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42702752 Inflation drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 12 minutes ago, MattP said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42702752 Inflation drops. Woohoo prices going up marginally less faster than my wages! I'm getting poorer very slightly slower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 1 hour ago, Buce said: Cue comments about Corbyn et al being very dangerous people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 32 minutes ago, MattP said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42702752 Inflation drops. Hopefully it's peaked now and will continue to drop throughout this year, then we can level off at a strong and stable 2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 2 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: Goodness me this thread is like groundhog day! Yeh..but we all watch the re-showings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, toddybad said: Woohoo prices going up marginally less faster than my wages! I'm getting poorer very slightly slower! If you spend a lot of your money on toys, games and air fares you're particularly quids in. Exciting times for all those frequent flying infants. Edited 16 January 2018 by Rogstanley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 I will not get involved in the round robin discussion any further, its futile. People believe what they believe and that wont change. The likelihood is that the correct route is none of the above. The solution is not 2 shit parties at opposite ends of the spectrum it is a decent centre ground party. The very fact that Labour can not get a vote share to command a majority after 2 years of sheer incompetence from the Tories tells us everything we need to know about Labour and their shadow cabinet. To pretend they are a solution to any problem is pure denial. The tribal mentality is ridiculous. I have never said at any point that the Tories are doing great, I have merely said that they are more credible than the alternative, which seems to be a theory most of the electorate support still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 14 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: I will not get involved in the round robin discussion any further, its futile. People believe what they believe and that wont change. The likelihood is that the correct route is none of the above. The solution is not 2 shit parties at opposite ends of the spectrum it is a decent centre ground party. The very fact that Labour can not get a vote share to command a majority after 2 years of sheer incompetence from the Tories tells us everything we need to know about Labour and their shadow cabinet. To pretend they are a solution to any problem is pure denial. The tribal mentality is ridiculous. I have never said at any point that the Tories are doing great, I have merely said that they are more credible than the alternative, which seems to be a theory most of the electorate support still. Among the working age population labour won the last election. Only pensioners won it for the Tories and that was mainly because they promised to keep the triple lock, those people were just voting directly in their own interests without considering how overall performance is affecting others. So lets not pretent that thr electorate support austerity or anything like that because there is no evidence of that whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 11 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Among the working age population labour won the last election. Only pensioners won it for the Tories and that was mainly because they promised to keep the triple lock, those people were just voting directly in their own interests without considering how overall performance is affecting others. So lets not pretent that thr electorate support austerity or anything like that because there is no evidence of that whatsoever. Labour committed to the triple lock as well and they said free social care for all, unlike the Tories. They actually promised the pensioners more than the Conservatives did but still couldn't win the grey vote. It's almost like they aren't gullible and have seen a government promising everything for nothing before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hundreds Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 It's quite amazing that there seems to be no mechanism to reclaim monies paid or at least prevent rewarding failure to CEOs who have essentially done a titanic on Carillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 37 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: If you spend a lot of your money on toys, games and air fares you're particularly quids in. Exciting times for all those frequent flying infants. Unfortunately I need to buy butter, oils and electricity which are all up around or over the 10% mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Labour committed to the triple lock as well and they said free social care for all, unlike the Tories. They actually promised the pensioners more than the Conservatives did but still couldn't win the grey vote. It's almost like they aren't gullible and have seen a government promising everything for nothing before. They aren't promising something for nothing. It's just you don't like the way they will raise money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 38 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: I will not get involved in the round robin discussion any further, its futile. People believe what they believe and that wont change. The likelihood is that the correct route is none of the above. The solution is not 2 shit parties at opposite ends of the spectrum it is a decent centre ground party. The very fact that Labour can not get a vote share to command a majority after 2 years of sheer incompetence from the Tories tells us everything we need to know about Labour and their shadow cabinet. To pretend they are a solution to any problem is pure denial. The tribal mentality is ridiculous. I have never said at any point that the Tories are doing great, I have merely said that they are more credible than the alternative, which seems to be a theory most of the electorate support still. If you'd put it like that previously I'd have taken you more seriously. Much better to expand on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/transgender-woman-woman-shortlist-labour-1063476 What do the Labour members on here think of this? Can see this causing some arguments between traditional feminists and the new left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 Just now, toddybad said: They aren't promising something for nothing. It's just you don't like the way they will raise money. Of course not, all the experts said it would raise taxes for everybody once that fantasy you could hammer rich bogeyman and business evaporated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 January 2018 Share Posted 16 January 2018 8 minutes ago, MattP said: http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/transgender-woman-woman-shortlist-labour-1063476 What do the Labour members on here think of this? Can see this causing some arguments between traditional feminists and the new left. Couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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