Koke Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Silva is in a legal limbo and Iborra will take a while til he's fully match fit so until then it's Ndidi - James. We've been up against Pogba, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Kante, Bakayoko and Fabregas in back to back games, and yes the CM were shown up but not disgraced.
fleckneymike Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 We can't escape the fact that the pass completion for N'didi is well below what you expect from a premiership midfielder. He undoubtedly has other qualities but he cannot survive with a passing accuracy of 67%. If, as a team, you have a midfielder who loses possession every one in three passes you're going to be constantly trying to regain your shape and solidity.
MC Prussian Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Silva and Iborra in the center can work. But it'd mean we'd have to change from a 4-4-2 to a 4-1-2-1-2, with Iborra acting as a defensive midfielder, allowing Silva to roam more freely up front. Would also further complement our counter-attack style of play.
Foxhateram Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 James and King for me out of our current options. N'Didi loses the ball far too often. Atleast those two can keep possession. Although it would nullify any attacking threat from Midfield.
Koke Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 9 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Silva and Iborra in the center can work. But it'd mean we'd have to change from a 4-4-2 to a 4-1-2-1-2, with Iborra acting as a defensive midfielder, allowing Silva to roam more freely up front. Would also further complement our counter-attack style of play. I've never understood why we never fully try 4-3-3. We have the players for it but instead we try to shoehorn every player we have into a 4-4-2. A midfield 3 of Ndidi, Iborra and Silva, and a front 3 of Mahrez, Vardy and Gray would solve many problems. Stronger midfield. Better creativity.
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 27 minutes ago, foxhateram said: James and King for me out of our current options. N'Didi loses the ball far too often. Atleast those two can keep possession. Although it would nullify any attacking threat from Midfield. You want to go through a Premiership campaign with James and King as the two central mids?
ceebeefox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Midfield is a massive worry currently. Having just seen the Stoke game on T.V. I would take their central pair of Fletcher and Allen all day in front of ours assuming Silva doesn't play till January. We are obviously looking at the situation having lined up against 3 top mid fields but Stoke were against United and we cannot keep the ball like they did ,so until we get more quality it has to be 4-5-1 or maybe 4-3-3 against the big boys.
I blame Wellens Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Rather than looking at stats. I think many of you need to watch the game. There is an intensity to Ndidi that there isn't with many of our players. A desire to win the ball back, get forward and lead by example. Yesterday he was urging the team - vocally as well as through his actions - to play with greater urgency. But if you want king to slow the game down, pass the ball sideways and backwards and do very little to close the opposition down but just track the ball... then you deserve what we get, passive and reactive football. Think about what our success has been built on. We were and never will be a keep ball team. The only way way we are going to win games is when we are being brave. my worry is that I don't think we have a manager who is brave enough, as we saw yesterday with his initial substitutions and let's wait to we go a goal down attitude ... I do hope I'm wrong
Foxhateram Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: You want to go through a Premiership campaign with James and King as the two central mids? Not really no. But I'm fed up of watching N'Didi constantly giving away possession. I want Silva, Iborra and one of King, James or N'Didi so we can get the best of each player, but a combination of injuries and Fifa are preventing that.
Guest MattP Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 14 hours ago, fleckneymike said: Today's N'didi passing stat 67.4% still unacceptable Not surprised at this, his passing is unbelievably bad for a central midfielder.
Guest Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 I don't think James has done badly and I love how everyone is on the Iborra bandwagon and he hasn't even kicked a Prem league ball. I like all of our cms including Amartey (yeah I said it). Our problem is not who should play with N'Didi it's how are whoever it is going to compete with the opposition when they always have 3 CMs? We either need to dump a defender and go 3 at the back with an extra midfielder or change our setup so that our two wingers are more helpful in the middle (or have okazaki stay on his feet a lot more).
Filberts lovechild Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 6 hours ago, FIF said: I don't think James has done badly and I love how everyone is on the Iborra bandwagon and he hasn't even kicked a Prem league ball. I like all of our cms including Amartey (yeah I said it). Our problem is not who should play with N'Didi it's how are whoever it is going to compete with the opposition when they always have 3 CMs? We either need to dump a defender and go 3 at the back with an extra midfielder or change our setup so that our two wingers are more helpful in the middle (or have okazaki stay on his feet a lot more). Agree with the 3 at the back comment, I think we have enough in that position to do it now too. Either 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2 I think we'd be more comfortable. re the rest of what you said I disagree, Amartey doesn't even play to a pro standard a lot of the time & James has been mediocre at best. On the Iborra wagon as assume he is best we have at the minute.
Guest MattP Posted 11 September 2017 Posted 11 September 2017 Just watched the highlights again and his laziness for the second wasn't impressive at all either, virtually at a walking pace strolling across to let Kante shoot, he's got to get his head on a bit more. We aren't a team that can carry lazy players.
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 He's doing a Drinkwater dip from last season. Basically fecked off of no support or imagination around him.
SecretPro Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 6 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: 66% passing accuracy today. King 88% Much easier to pass backwards to be fair
fleckneymike Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 18 minutes ago, SecretPro said: Much easier to pass backwards to be fair Much better to pass to a team mate rather than the opposition
SecretPro Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Just now, fleckneymike said: Much better to pass to a team mate rather than the opposition Not disagreeing with you, however Andy King is not the answer for a premier league team seeking European football. I'm sick of hearing a defence for King along the lines of 'hes a nice man' or 'hes Leicester through and through' because frankly, I don't care, I just want a good midfield and once those blue tinted specs come off, it's easy to see that Andy King should not be a part of that, because he isn't good enough. I can't imagine him getting into any other PL squad looking for a top half finish, let alone top 8. He's doggo. Our midfield is doggo. It needs sorting.
fleckneymike Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Just now, SecretPro said: Not disagreeing with you, however Andy King is not the answer for a premier league team seeking European football. I'm sick of hearing a defence for King along the lines of 'hes a nice man' or 'hes Leicester through and through' because frankly, I don't care, I just want a good midfield and once those blue tinted specs come off, it's easy to see that Andy King should not be a part of that, because he isn't good enough. I can't imagine him getting into any other PL squad looking for a top half finish, let alone top 8. He's doggo. Our midfield is doggo. It needs sorting. I'm not saying King is, but by Christ if N'Didi is posting 66% accuracy per game then Wilf sure as hell isn't the solution.
SecretPro Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Just now, fleckneymike said: I'm not saying King is, but by Christ if N'Didi is posting 66% accuracy per game then Wilf sure as hell isn't the solution. But, he's 20 and we know he is capable; he literally made THE difference last season. King is aging and just not got much in him and hasn't had for a while, he's very basic in every department. True, Wilf isn't having the greatest start to the season but he also isn't seeing much in the way of a decent partner, decent support and the aid of a team who can string more than 2 passes together between them. I'm not sure what Wilf has done to be suddenly so down trodden by the fans, especially after last season. The lad is young, and has plenty to learn but some people's memories are far too short. What would you rather, a midfield of King and James? A championship midfield playing prem football in a 4-4-2 week in week out? We'd get smashed.
fleckneymike Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Just now, SecretPro said: But, he's 20 and we know he is capable; he literally made THE difference last season. King is aging and just not got much in him and hasn't had for a while, he's very basic in every department. True, Wilf isn't having the greatest start to the season but he also isn't seeing much in the way of a decent partner, decent support and the aid of a team who can string more than 2 passes together between them. I'm not sure what Wilf has done to be suddenly so down trodden by the fans, especially after last season. The lad is young, and has plenty to learn but some people's memories are far too short. What would you rather, a midfield of King and James? A championship midfield playing prem football in a 4-4-2 week in week out? We'd get smashed. He cannot pass the ****ing ball. He is averaging a passing accuracy of 65.7%. That means every third pass misses its target. Not one Huddersfield player (including their keeper) had a % lower than 70%.
Sampson Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Tbf I think King was better today than James has been this season and I think I'd rather have King in the side ahead of James. The fact they are our options is scary though. Just hope Iborra turns out to be half decent.
SecretPro Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 2 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: He cannot pass the ****ing ball. He is averaging a passing accuracy of 65.7%. That means every third pass misses its target. Not one Huddersfield player (including their keeper) had a % lower than 70%. Who in our team can pass? Especially proactively? We haven't passed the ball properly since the title winning season, to the point where quite often I find some of our football pretty painful to watch.
SecretPro Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 1 minute ago, SecretPro said: Who in our team can pass? Especially proactively? We haven't passed the ball properly since the title winning season, to the point where quite often I find some of our football pretty painful to watch. I'm not exaggerating that btw - sometimes I watch match of the day and think we have the most incoherent, panic filled, hit and hope, ugly football going.
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