Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[Collymore]

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

An opinion about opinions:

 

Quite possibly the most destructive result of the Internet and social media becoming ubiquitous is that it has encouraged almost everything to be a matter of opinion or debate - even those things that are clearly defined, need-to-be-acted-upon matters of fact. The advent of AI is only furthering this uncertainty.

 

Some things are not matters of debate. Treating them as such only ends badly, and harmfully. 

 

 

 

Are you talking about politics?  Conspiracy theories? Or just in general...

 

I'd argue technology can give you a false sense of opinion when the majority of people don't care or have an opinion though.

 

It's like where you get a really niche hobby such as collecting garden snails - you're never going to come across a person who does this in life but if you set up a forum you'd get the thousands across the world all talking and having an opinion about it. 

 

 

 

[Sampson]

4 minutes ago, Collymore said:

 

Are you talking about politics?  Conspiracy theories? Or just in general...

 

I'd argue technology can give you a false sense of opinion when the majority of people don't care or have an opinion though.

 

It's like where you get a really niche hobby such as collecting garden snails - you're never going to come across a person who does this in life but if you set up a forum you'd get the thousands across the world all talking and having an opinion about it. 

 

 

 

I think I agree with your final paragraph but I think that does seep out into everyday conversation though and you do find a lot of people have opinions about things they previously wouldn't have cared about 25 years ago.

 

It's not just politics or conspiracy theories, it's art, culture, entertainment, sport, hobbies - everyone is a snob or says "ahhh... but I heard this book is bad" when they haven't read it or "this book I briefly started,  didn't have time to finish so put down, I have to go out my way to make it my personality to have a go at people who like that book" these days in a way they weren't 25 years ago.

 

Everyone has opinions about things they haven't or barely read/watched/played/partaken in and they are weirdly bullish about those opinions. I'm not saying I'm exempt from this btw, it's just part of the way people talk to each other nowadays. 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Collymore said:

 

Are you talking about politics?  Conspiracy theories? Or just in general...

 

I'd argue technology can give you a false sense of opinion when the majority of people don't care or have an opinion though.

 

It's like where you get a really niche hobby such as collecting garden snails - you're never going to come across a person who does this in life but if you set up a forum you'd get the thousands across the world all talking and having an opinion about it. 

 

 

 

I'm talking mostly in general, but to refer to a key critical area as an example, scientific matters that are empirically proven becoming matters of opinion among people, which then leads to policy and action based on such things being treated as opinion rather than fact. 

 

The amount of harm caused by people choosing to ignore scientific fact in areas where it really matters has resulted in a level of harm that is already massive, and if taken into the future, may become absolute and incalculable. 

 

The "death of expertise", and the reduction of fact to matters of opinion, harms everyone.

 

The Internet has done a great thing in bringing a lot of like minded people together. This, however, is the dark side of it.

[Sly]

Andy Burnham will be worse than Kier Starmer

[DJW1]

12 minutes ago, Sly said:

Andy Burnham will be worse than Kier Starmer

One advantage that he has over the current PM is that people seem able to spell his name correctly.

[Trav Le Bleu]

7 hours ago, DJW1 said:

One advantage that he has over the current PM is that people seem able to spell his name correctly.

I before E, except after K.

[Trav Le Bleu]

17 hours ago, leicsmac said:

An opinion about opinions:

 

Quite possibly the most destructive result of the Internet and social media becoming ubiquitous is that it has encouraged almost everything to be a matter of opinion or debate - even those things that are clearly defined, need-to-be-acted-upon matters of fact. The advent of AI is only furthering this uncertainty.

 

Some things are not matters of debate. Treating them as such only ends badly, and harmfully. 

 

 

Fact!

[CrazyKopCorner]

9 hours ago, Sly said:

Andy Burnham will be worse than Kier Starmer

Agree. 

 

Another twonk with no plan 

[Grebfromgrebland]

17 hours ago, Sly said:

Andy Burnham will be worse than Kier Starmer

Yup another Israeli plant. Possibly go more right wing now digital ID seems set to be introduced. 

 

Hope I'm wrong but know I'm not.

[Blueman1967]

He is on about change as well, but where are the ideas

[Sampson]

He's literally not eve put forward his leadership bid platform yet and people are already screaming where are the ideas or him having no plans? And you wonder why political discourse is broken in this country, people have decided before he's already even put forward his plans of what he'll do as leader,

Edited Sunday at 15:03 by Sampson

[kenny]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

He's literally not eve put forward his leadership bid platform yet and people are already screaming where are the ideas or him having no plans? And you wonder why political discourse is broken in this country, people have decided before he's already even put forward his plans of what he'll do as leader,

Probably because him and his followers have decided he is the PM already. Today's news has been all about not having a contest at all to make the transition as easy as possible.

 

SKS has yet to announce his intentions. Streeting has stated he wants it. There may be others in the wings eg Mahmood or Carns.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

Keir (for that is how you spell it playmates) Starmer has been less than superb, I will agree. 

However, given the entire political-media-enormous money-faux patriots complex has been trying to undermine and destabilise him and his government since the moment he was elected and  he had a 14 year wrecking ball of a government to tidy up after, maybe giving him more time rather than getting someone else in now and risking loss of the progress that has been made (and there has, it's just nobody in the media cares to tell you that because it doesn't get clicks or rage) might do far more harm than good.

I truly detest the footballification of politics now - it reminds me of the 'sack the manager' mob that has been around for a very long time, the 'anything will be better than this one' mentality. I don't know if any of you support a team called Leicester City, but if you do (and you're honest) you might see that that thinking has been a) prevalent and b) doesn't do well.

 

 

[CornwallFox]

19 hours ago, Sly said:

Andy Burnham will be worse than Kier Starmer

Kier starmar did a pretty good job but partly communicated it extremely badly, and partly was drowned out by what has become an increasingly partisan right wing media. 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Blueman1967 said:

He is on about change as well, but where are the ideas

Are you joking?

There isn't even a leadership contest yet. 

Jesus Christ the state of our electorate. 

 

 

Edit: the one change we really need if we're going to change things it's an end to neoliberslism, and he's actually said that out loud in the Makerfield battle, so he's already ahead of anybody else promising change as if it's possible without changing the economic model. 

Edited Sunday at 16:23 by CornwallFox

[Blueman1967]

3 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Are you joking?

There isn't even a leadership contest yet. 

Jesus Christ the state of our electorate. 

 

 

Edit: the one change we really need if we're going to change things it's an end to neoliberslism, and he's actually said that out loud in the Makerfield battle, so he's already ahead of anybody else promising change as if it's possible without changing the economic model. 

Do you think Stamier will stay in his job!, been on the TV he is resign, l did l dream it

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Blueman1967 said:

Do you think Stamier will stay in his job!, been on the TV he is resign, l did l dream it

Has he resigned yet? 

Is there are a leadership contest yet? 

Is Burnham even in place as an MP yet which he'd need to be? 

Do you usually expect people to tell you what they're going to do before the thing has even begun? 

You need to wait until the correct time my friend.

[Blueman1967]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

Has he resigned yet? 

Is there are a leadership contest yet? 

Is Burnham even in place as an MP yet which he'd need to be? 

Do you usually expect people to tell you what they're going to do before the thing has even begun? 

You need to wait until the correct time my friend.

Wait for tomorrow

[CornwallFox]

39 minutes ago, Blueman1967 said:

Wait for tomorrow

The fact he will resign is irrelevant. 

You're complaining because you don't know in advance what Burnham is offering. you're the one that needs to wait.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Blueman1967 said:

Do you think Stamier will stay in his job!, been on the TV he is resign, l did l dream it

Think I did, you dream of TV. Stamier more stam than stam?, Resign in news.

[grobyfox1990]

I’m excited for what the happy clappers will nickname Andy burnham. ‘Two tier Keir’ was hilarious

[Kisnorbo fox]

It seems my opinion on the imminent resignation of Starmer, and Andy burnham being potentially PM hasn’t gone down well with the mods… burnham being elected over Starmer is like crapping your pants and changing your t-shirt…. 

[Blueman1967]

10 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

The fact he will resign is irrelevant. 

You're complaining because you don't know in advance what Burnham is offering. you're the one that needs to wait.

I think a PM resigning would be relevent, what has Burnham got, that has alot of MPs siding with him, this has been built up for a while.

[Blueman1967]

9 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Think I did, you dream of TV. Stamier more stam than stam?, Resign in news.

Sorry for my bad english, l read the easy newspapers, small words, easy to understand

[Trav Le Bleu]

It would be worth Keir Starmer keeping the Premiership just to pee off Trump.