Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[CrazyKopCorner]

On 18/07/2026 at 23:15, MPH said:

Tuchel is a good manager for England . As well as a huge mistake in the final in defending so soon after the first goal, he’s also having to undo 8 years of Southgateism

I agree and the error against the Argies will a) make him an even better manager and b) a greater determination to prove his dissenters wrong 

 

I'd definitely keep him 

[CornwallFox]

56 minutes ago, danny. said:

Most mainstream economists disagree with Richard Murphy's framing of MMT. Not surprising really, if you read most of the nonsense he writes. It's semantic slight of hand, you might as well say if you have a credit card everything is free as you merely offset the CC account (I know the creation is technically different, but it's still semantics). 

Edit: didn't see the other posts since then - I just replied to the one on Saturday, oh well, same point really. And confirms you were quoting Murphy. 

MMT is a new theory of economics effectively, so it's not surprising that most economists stick to the status quo. The weird thing is that most commentators who dismiss MMT are the same ones that have previously talked about how economists are generally wrong. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

MMT is a new theory of economics effectively, so it's not surprising that most economists stick to the status quo. The weird thing is that most commentators who dismiss MMT are the same ones that have previously talked about how economists are generally wrong. 

... apart from Mises and the Austrian School, that is. 

 

They are apparently sacred. 

[danny.]

17 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

MMT is a new theory of economics effectively, so it's not surprising that most economists stick to the status quo. The weird thing is that most commentators who dismiss MMT are the same ones that have previously talked about how economists are generally wrong. 

Or Richard Murphy is wrong.

[BenTheFox]

On 18/07/2026 at 23:15, MPH said:

Tuchel is a good manager for England . As well as a huge mistake in the final in defending so soon after the first goal, he’s also having to undo 8 years of Southgateism

Why do people feel the need to drag Southgate's name through the mud? He's gone now, and overall he did a good job. Compare the state of the national team when he left to when he took over. It's chalk and cheese. A positive thing you can say about this England team is they certainly have a strong sense of comradery and togetherness and it feeling more like a club atmosphere, something that was evidently not present during the 'golden generation'. That was present under Southgate. Southgate's tenure had absolutely no bearing on England's failure to reach the final. Southgate couldn't help England not having a central midfielder that can get hold of the ball and control the tempo of the game, nor could he help his successor absolutely shitting the bed and having six defenders on the pitch. 

Edited 21 hours ago by BenTheFox

[bovril]

The level of anti Argentina stuff in this country the last week has been a bit cringey and tinpot especially from a country that is in many ways their European equivalent. 

[Foxdiamond]

18 minutes ago, bovril said:

The level of anti Argentina stuff in this country the last week has been a bit cringey and tinpot especially from a country that is in many ways their European equivalent. 

I don't remember an English national team displaying a political banner at a World Cup. The thought that continual foul play without early intervention by the officials by our players would have gone by without criticism here at home or abroad is ridiculous. That Argentina has been at it for years and not just the current team is also noteworthy. It wasn't just against England that sparked comment. 

[Fox92]

33 minutes ago, bovril said:

The level of anti Argentina stuff in this country the last week has been a bit cringey and tinpot especially from a country that is in many ways their European equivalent. 

I don't think it's even been as bad as it should be. Some people don't even seem aware they are one of our biggest rivals.

[grobyfox1990]

57 minutes ago, bovril said:

The level of anti Argentina stuff in this country the last week has been a bit cringey and tinpot especially from a country that is in many ways their European equivalent. 

Yeh agreed on both counts. I've been to Argentina, great country, lovely and welcoming people, superb food, fantastic nature and countryside, not a happy clapper tourist in sight. Two matches I saw at Boca and River Plate were lifelong memories. Vividly remember riding a horse around in the sunshine at a gaucho farm whilst eating beef and drinking red wine that is unmatched in quality to anything I've tasted in Europe thinking 'this is a good life.' It is like Europe, just markedly better (if you earn in £ or $ and hence can afford the good stuff).

Also cannot understand why so many happy clappers have got so offended at that banner after the England match. It's just a banner, relax you wokey wetwipes, rivalry is the best thing about this sport. Seemingly the happy clappers want a soft sport where we all play happy families and have a lovely half time show before Tom Cruise says how great we all are during a hydration break. These people are ruining our game.

[Foxdiamond]

14 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh agreed on both counts. I've been to Argentina, great country, lovely and welcoming people, superb food, fantastic nature and countryside, not a happy clapper tourist in sight. Two matches I saw at Boca and River Plate were lifelong memories. Vividly remember riding a horse around in the sunshine at a gaucho farm whilst eating beef and drinking red wine that is unmatched in quality to anything I've tasted in Europe thinking 'this is a good life.' It is like Europe, just markedly better (if you earn in £ or $ and hence can afford the good stuff).

Also cannot understand why so many happy clappers have got so offended at that banner after the England match. It's just a banner, relax you wokey wetwipes, rivalry is the best thing about this sport. Seemingly the happy clappers want a soft sport where we all play happy families and have a lovely half time show before Tom Cruise says how great we all are during a hydration break. These people are ruining our game.

The problem with the banner is that it is clearly against Fifa rules. Other players have been punished for similar. Putting aside the silly half time nonsense what is really spoiling the game is cynical dirty play. 

[bovril]

25 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh agreed on both counts. I've been to Argentina, great country, lovely and welcoming people, superb food, fantastic nature and countryside, not a happy clapper tourist in sight. Two matches I saw at Boca and River Plate were lifelong memories. Vividly remember riding a horse around in the sunshine at a gaucho farm whilst eating beef and drinking red wine that is unmatched in quality to anything I've tasted in Europe thinking 'this is a good life.' It is like Europe, just markedly better (if you earn in £ or $ and hence can afford the good stuff).

Also cannot understand why so many happy clappers have got so offended at that banner after the England match. It's just a banner, relax you wokey wetwipes, rivalry is the best thing about this sport. Seemingly the happy clappers want a soft sport where we all play happy families and have a lovely half time show before Tom Cruise says how great we all are during a hydration break. These people are ruining our game.

My favourites are the boomer reform types saying stuff like "their politicians only focus on the Falklands because their economy is crap" with absolutely zero self awareness 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

My favourites are the boomer reform types saying stuff like "their politicians only focus on the Falklands because their economy is crap" with absolutely zero self awareness 

Just to add. Definitely born during the baby boom years but certainly not a Reform type. 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Foxdiamond said:

The problem with the banner is that it is clearly against Fifa rules. Other players have been punished for similar. Putting aside the silly half time nonsense what is really spoiling the game is cynical dirty play. 

Yeh but FIFA rules are arbitrary, a nonsense and designed for commercial gain rather than common sense. Why can't we support Gaza during games? Why can we support Ukraine (which England have in the past) during games? Why has Donald Trump used the world cup for political gain if politics aren't allowed at the tournament?

If an island near the UK was a self-governing American or other nation state territory, the happy clappers would be in a dribbling froth. Without getting into any history, you can understand Argentine national pride. if not, just don't get offended by 'free speech'

[MPH]

2 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

Why do people feel the need to drag Southgate's name through the mud? He's gone now, and overall he did a good job. Compare the state of the national team when he left to when he took over. It's chalk and cheese. A positive thing you can say about this England team is they certainly have a strong sense of comradery and togetherness and it feeling more like a club atmosphere, something that was evidently not present during the 'golden generation'. That was present under Southgate. Southgate's tenure had absolutely no bearing on England's failure to reach the final. Southgate couldn't help England not having a central midfielder that can get hold of the ball and control the tempo of the game, nor could he help his successor absolutely shitting the bed and having six defenders on the pitch. 

I think the style of football he implemented and the mentality amongst the players was much more cautious. Tuchel is trying to get us to be much braver , for the most part. Sometimes when a manager changes, it can be hard to change the player’s mentality. 
 

it truly was a calamitous mistake by  Tuchel in the Argentina game, but let’s not pretend Southgate didn’t make mistakes.

[BenTheFox]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

I think the style of football he implemented and the mentality amongst the players was much more cautious. Tuchel is trying to get us to be much braver , for the most part. Sometimes when a manager changes, it can be hard to change the player’s mentality. 
 

it truly was a calamitous mistake by  Tuchel in the Argentina game, but let’s not pretend Southgate didn’t make mistakes.

I'm not suggesting that Southgate didn't make mistakes. Ultimately, he was missing that little bit of tactical nous which could have made the difference against better opposition. However, we got to a point with Southgate where people were taking it for granted that we would beat 'lesser' teams. That had previously never been a given in my lifetime watching England. I'm really not at all convinced that Tuchel has gotten us to be much braver. 

[Foxdiamond]

31 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh but FIFA rules are arbitrary, a nonsense and designed for commercial gain rather than common sense. Why can't we support Gaza during games? Why can we support Ukraine (which England have in the past) during games? Why has Donald Trump used the world cup for political gain if politics aren't allowed at the tournament?

If an island near the UK was a self-governing American or other nation state territory, the happy clappers would be in a dribbling froth. Without getting into any history, you can understand Argentine national pride. if not, just don't get offended by 'free speech'

The Argentine cocked it up by invading the islands back in 1982.  I don't see the French getting in a fit over the channels islands despite once belonging to Normandy that is now part of France. As far as the football is concerned and putting aside the banner the Argentine team should temper national pride with a bit of dignity and good grace in victory and defeat. Too many of the players were cynical spoilers who didn't care how they won. Shame really as they are obviously talented footballers

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh but FIFA rules are arbitrary, a nonsense and designed for commercial gain rather than common sense. Why can't we support Gaza during games? Why can we support Ukraine (which England have in the past) during games? Why has Donald Trump used the world cup for political gain if politics aren't allowed at the tournament?

If an island near the UK was a self-governing American or other nation state territory, the happy clappers would be in a dribbling froth. Without getting into any history, you can understand Argentine national pride. if not, just don't get offended by 'free speech'

They're not near to Argentina though. They're 100s of kilometers from the nearest point, about as close as Britain is to Denmark.

 

Look, I'm a progressive person who feels uneasy about a lot of Britain's history, but Argentina's claim to the Falklands are spurious as hell largely built around a treaty between Britain and Spain which specifically even says doesnt take into account other non-signaturies and Argentina were non-signitaries. And neither were they a case of British settlers kicking out thr locals - they were uninhabited islands which there's no record of the native peoples of the Americas ever discovering, abd Spain discovered and laid their post down them after the British even anyway,

 

Meanwhile, the people who live their now are British people who speak in English accents and have voted 99% in favour of wanting to stay British.

 

Personally, I can't understand the Argentinian national pride on this one at all, anymore than I can understand American pride on saying they want Greenland. They're just entirely unrelated islands to Argentina's history and culture which are hundreds of kilometers away from Argentina, which they just said they wanted one day.

 

I don't think many people would be frothing at the mouth if it was the other way tbh - if someone said "oh , the Canaries belongs to Morroco not Spain because its relatively nearer" I think most would just laugh.

Edited 16 hours ago by Sampson

[MPH]

2 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I'm not suggesting that Southgate didn't make mistakes. Ultimately, he was missing that little bit of tactical nous which could have made the difference against better opposition. However, we got to a point with Southgate where people were taking it for granted that we would beat 'lesser' teams. That had previously never been a given in my lifetime watching England. I'm really not at all convinced that Tuchel has gotten us to be much braver. 

that first half against Argentina was great… aswell as the first half against France.. people will say “ oh but France made 7 changes.. well, so did we. Those were two teams we would previously have played much more timid football against but I think he’s instilling some belief into the players I don’t think was there before. It helps with the emergence of Bellingham of course! Spence had a shaky start and could have faded in to oblivion, but ended up having a  fantastic World Cup.. he was fearless against France.. and it seems like Tuchel wasn’t going to let the same things happen  against France as  bringing on Bellingham and Anderson saved the game for us.

 

also, the difference in pedigree as manager between Southgate and Tuchel is quite big- you can quite see why Tuchel seems to install more confidence in the players and more of the fans than what Southgate did. We seem to be playing much more confidently ( bravely) as the team grows together more. 
 

I’d put money on us winning the Euros if I was a betting man.

[bovril]

Is winning the Falklands war the worst thing that ever happened to Britain? 

[bovril]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

They're not near to Argentina though. They're 100s of kilometers from the nearest point, about as close as Britain is to Denmark.

 

Look, I'm a progressive person who feels uneasy about a lot of Britain's history, but Argentina's claim to the Falklands are spurious as hell largely built around a treaty between Britain and Spain which specifically even says doesnt take into account other non-signaturies and Argentina were non-signitaries. And neither were they a case of British settlers kicking out thr locals - they were uninhabited islands which there's no record of the native peoples of the Americas ever discovering, abd Spain discovered and laid their post down them after the British even anyway,

 

Meanwhile, the people who live their now are British people who speak in English accents and have voted 99% in favour of wanting to stay British.

 

Personally, I can't understand the Argentinian national pride on this one at all, anymore than I can understand American pride on saying they want Greenland. They're just entirely unrelated islands to Argentina's history and culture which are hundreds of kilometers away from Argentina, which they just said they wanted one day.

 

I don't think many people would be frothing at the mouth if it was the other way tbh - if someone said "oh , the Canaries belongs to Morroco not Spain because its relatively nearer" I think most would just laugh.

Agree with all this some of the response in this country has been as ever hilariously over the top and to some extent mirrors the Argentinian tubthumping in its own way.  And the lack of awareness from some people complaining about racism from one nation but simulataneously happy to tar a whole country with the same brush.

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

The Argentine cocked it up by invading the islands back in 1982.  I don't see the French getting in a fit over the channels islands despite once belonging to Normandy that is now part of France. As far as the football is concerned and putting aside the banner the Argentine team should temper national pride with a bit of dignity and good grace in victory and defeat. Too many of the players were cynical spoilers who didn't care how they won. Shame really as they are obviously talented footballers

 

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

They're not near to Argentina though. They're 100s of kilometers from the nearest point, about as close as Britain is to Denmark.

 

Look, I'm a progressive person who feels uneasy about a lot of Britain's history, but Argentina's claim to the Falklands are spurious as hell largely built around a treaty between Britain and Spain which specifically even says doesnt take into account other non-signaturies and Argentina were non-signitaries. And neither were they a case of British settlers kicking out thr locals - they were uninhabited islands which there's no record of the native peoples of the Americas ever discovering, abd Spain discovered and laid their post down them after the British even anyway,

 

Meanwhile, the people who live their now are British people who speak in English accents and have voted 99% in favour of wanting to stay British.

 

Personally, I can't understand the Argentinian national pride on this one at all, anymore than I can understand American pride on saying they want Greenland. They're just entirely unrelated islands to Argentina's history and culture which are hundreds of kilometers away from Argentina, which they just said they wanted one day.

 

I don't think many people would be frothing at the mouth if it was the other way tbh - if someone said "oh , the Canaries belongs to Morroco not Spain because its relatively nearer" I think most would just laugh.

This is why I said ‘without getting into history’ and specifically ‘Argentine pride’, although appreciate I didn’t make that clear.

Argentine media have spun their happy clappers into a froth about the falklands,  how the story is painted in the uk is totally redundant and irrelevant. With the incoming arrival of Farage into no.10 you must surely understand how national pride and rivaley, however misguided, works.

Emotion outweighs logic, and imo that’s a great part of football and something those getting offended at this flag should understand 

[CornwallFox]

9 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh agreed on both counts. I've been to Argentina, great country, lovely and welcoming people, superb food, fantastic nature and countryside, not a happy clapper tourist in sight. Two matches I saw at Boca and River Plate were lifelong memories. Vividly remember riding a horse around in the sunshine at a gaucho farm whilst eating beef and drinking red wine that is unmatched in quality to anything I've tasted in Europe thinking 'this is a good life.' It is like Europe, just markedly better (if you earn in £ or $ and hence can afford the good stuff).

Also cannot understand why so many happy clappers have got so offended at that banner after the England match. It's just a banner, relax you wokey wetwipes, rivalry is the best thing about this sport. Seemingly the happy clappers want a soft sport where we all play happy families and have a lovely half time show before Tom Cruise says how great we all are during a hydration break. These people are ruining our game.

There's a lot of happy clappers in your world aren't there? As far as I can tell it's the least woke people getting riled by the banner. I'm not sure you haven't bamboozled yourself with buzzwords. 

[Jon the Hat]

10 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

If an island near the UK was a self-governing American or other nation state territory, the happy clappers would be in a dribbling froth. Without getting into any history, you can understand Argentine national pride. if not, just don't get offended by 'free speech'

I mean if we are going to claim anything with 300 miles of the UK coast as ours, the Dutch, Belgians and French might have something to say about it, not to mention the Irish.

[Jon the Hat]

7 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

 

This is why I said ‘without getting into history’ and specifically ‘Argentine pride’, although appreciate I didn’t make that clear.

Argentine media have spun their happy clappers into a froth about the falklands,  how the story is painted in the uk is totally redundant and irrelevant. With the incoming arrival of Farage into no.10 you must surely understand how national pride and rivaley, however misguided, works.

Emotion outweighs logic, and imo that’s a great part of football and something those getting offended at this flag should understand 

Can we stop saying Farage is going to be prime minister?  He really really isn't.

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

 

This is why I said ‘without getting into history’ and specifically ‘Argentine pride’, although appreciate I didn’t make that clear.

Argentine media have spun their happy clappers into a froth about the falklands,  how the story is painted in the uk is totally redundant and irrelevant. With the incoming arrival of Farage into no.10 you must surely understand how national pride and rivaley, however misguided, works.

Emotion outweighs logic, and imo that’s a great part of football and something those getting offended at this flag should understand 

Italy was promised most of the Adriatic coast for joining the Entente in WW1. They didn't get it. Life sucks; get used to it.