We need an identity

[DelBoy73]

16 hours ago, Milo said:

We are looking a bit lost - most teams have an easily identifiable way of playing, but we don't. 

 

We're not the counter attacking threat that we were, nor are we the all action gegenpressing team that we were a little over a season ago.

 

There doesn't seem to the team unity and spirit of the past few seasons and we are definitely not the powerful, dominating type of side, nor are we a tiki-taka  type of team.

 

So - what is our identity? Hoof it around and try and win a penalty? Surely there is more to the team than that? 

Actually, we have a very identifiable way of playing : most of the time we hoof it to Vardy and Mahrez hoping for the best outcome ....

And most of the time, under pressure, our midfielders play a back pass to Kasper only for him to hoof it to row z and give possession away ....

Clense repeat time after time.

The reasons for us resorting to such tactics are obvious : our midfielders have poor vision and passing ability, and since our front men are always afar from them to pick up an easy pass, they 90% of the time resort to hoofing it instead of playing closer to each over ( take not that CS's two man midfield with wild players around would still not allow this to work ).

We are screaming for a five men midfield, period.

 

 

[Countryfox]

12 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

We used to be one of the most exciting and dynamic teams in the league possibly even in Europe.

 

Yep but that was the past ...   Different team, different players, different manager ...    We are restructuring so forget the past and let's see how things pan out when the manager, his style, and the new players all bed in.

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Whatever hasn't been right this season, crumbling we don't do - compare it to last season, that was crumbling.

We've got pretty much the amount of points I thought we'd have at this stage. Yesterday wasn't great, but the way people were going on you'd think it was last season getting smashed 4-0 by teams.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

 

Yep but that was the past ...   Different team, different players, different manager ...    We are restructuring so forget the past and let's see how things pan out when the manager, his style, and the new players all bed in.

 

Almost the same team, CF, most of the same players too.

 

And CS doesn't appear to know what his style is.

[Countryfox]

5 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Almost the same team, CF, most of the same players too.

 

And CS doesn't appear to know what his style is.

 

New players who still haven't played or have hardly played, our title winning midfield pairing both buggered off and perhaps our most gifted player desperate to move ...   Seems very different to me.  And as for Shakey how can he possibly put his brand on the team when half aren't yet in the side yet or are injured.   We won the league with a settled, injury free team who had gelled over a good period of time.   Patience.

[mod hero]

To me it's pretty obvious, we won the league with Kante in midfield with Drinky. We all Know Kante did the job of 2 players which allowed us to play 442. Both have gone now. WE NEED TO EVOLVE.

 

Ndidi - King or Amartey or Iborra  Mendy or James cant play together in a 2. I say Iborra because he when he did play for Sevilla it was in a 3 and he doesn't look very mobile.

 

this has been going on for over a year now and it's really grating on me as is having 1 right back (Amartey is not a right back)

 

Ndidi is suffering in this formation as he is being out numbered and his passing and composure on the ball is not great.

 

Ndidi has definitely regressed since joining.

[Rigga]

I said after our PL win that we would need a new identity and since then, we have wasted 3 transfer windows and tbh gone backwards as a squad. We are still as such a counter attacking team (not as good as we were even at that)

Too many non 'footballers' within the team. Simpson and Morgan in particular absolutely  ? themselves at the thought of receiving the ball from Schmeichel when he has it.

 

Wagner has not been at Huddersfield long but it is blatantly obvious the stamp he has put on that club.

We need a named manager to help get named players to even get us anywhere around 7-10th

[HighPeakFox]

For goodness sakes. 

[Rigga]

38 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Yep but that was the past ...   Different team, different players, different manager ...    We are restructuring so forget the past and let's see how things pan out when the manager, his style, and the new players all bed in.

Virtually same team and players, virtually same manager too..

 

I have seen nothing from Shakey in his 20+ games that was any different to Pearson or Ranieri

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, Rigga said:

 

I have seen nothing from Shakey in his 20+ games that was any different to Pearson or Ranieri

 

And what's wrong with that ? ...     I always thought both were excellent managers ...

[somebum]

Claudio understood the need for change all too well and tried to implement it but the players were too limited to understand and could not grasp it. This indicates the the only way to play for the squad of players we have is counter attacking non possession based football. Obviously Claudio knew that opposition managers would suss it out sooner or later so he tried to create a different style for us. 

Shakes on the other hand has no style whatsoever 

[waylander]

30 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

And what's wrong with that ? ...     I always thought both were excellent managers ...

He he can only agree with that ?

[SpacedX]

7 minutes ago, somebum said:

Claudio understood the need for change all too well

Yes, but struggled as a manger to conceive, articulate and effect it. 

 

9 minutes ago, somebum said:

and tried to implement it but the players were too limited to understand and could not grasp it.

You mean half an hour before kick off at St.Mary's announcing a midfield diamond formation against a team that destroyed us on the flanks?

 

10 minutes ago, somebum said:

This indicates the the only way to play for the squad of players we have is counter attacking non possession based football. 

 

No, it indicated that sitting too deep and trying to contain technically gifted sides was a mistake. 

 

13 minutes ago, somebum said:

Obviously Claudio knew that opposition managers would suss it out sooner or later.

 

Managers had "sussed it out" by early 2016, which is why teams sat back, approached us with caution, stacked up on Mahrez and for a time, the matches became lower scoring encounters.

 

18 minutes ago, somebum said:

so he tried to create a different style for us. 

 

No, he put the handbrake on, which is why we went from being one of the most entertaining sides in the football league to a style of football indistinguishable to 'Borough under Kananka. 

 

20 minutes ago, somebum said:

Shakes on the other hand has no style whatsoever 

Reserve that judgement for when he is actually has a midfield to deploy. 

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, mod hero said:

To me it's pretty obvious, we won the league with Kante in midfield with Drinky. We all Know Kante did the job of 2 players which allowed us to play 442. Both have gone now. WE NEED TO EVOLVE.

 

Ndidi - King or Amartey or Iborra  Mendy or James cant play together in a 2. I say Iborra because he when he did play for Sevilla it was in a 3 and he doesn't look very mobile.

 

this has been going on for over a year now and it's really grating on me as is having 1 right back (Amartey is not a right back)

 

Ndidi is suffering in this formation as he is being out numbered and his passing and composure on the ball is not great.

 

Ndidi has definitely regressed since joining.

Each and every point well made and very true. Only a stubborn or stupid manager would fail to notice these things and fail to try to deal with it and, as it was the same for the most part of last year, it does make you wonder. Whether manager or coach, if the players didn't know their jobs in a different formation then again,  Shakespeare's had ample opportunity over last season, pre-season and this season to coach them, what's he been doing with them?

[Captain...]

I thought the same yesterday, we had a few lovely early forward passes that got us on the front foot. Mahrez had a load of space early on, King and Albrighton both found that space with an early ball and Ndidi's pass for Gray late on, but too many times we didn't look for that ball and that's fine if we have an alternative but we don't seem capable of patient build up. We create a lot of chances by winning the ball high up the pitch and getting a quick break. To do that we need Shinji, we always look better with Shinji because he creates those opportunities and helps others create those opportunities. If we want to be that team Shinji is better than Nacho and Slimani but do we want to be that team? We have Nacho who looks a good player but he isn't going to be as effective as Shinji in a 4411