After life

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, stripeyfox said:

When you die, you are worm food. Nothing else

 

Our bodies are yes. But I believe our spirit/soul moves on.

 

In a way I admire people's simplistic approach though. It's a lot easier to manage 

[Drew Peacock]

2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Why has there got to be more?

 

I suppose in a way there already is. We are each an infinitesimally tiny part of the evolution process and may or may not pass on DNA for the continuation of life in all its wonderful meaninglessness.

Plus, we happen to belong to a species that over millions of years has developed the ability to consider the meaning or meaninglessness of our existence....and the ability to consider how to enjoy our brief and meaningless existence. 

 

Objectively, each of us has all the significance of the tiniest grain of sand on an infinite beach.

Subjectively, what a wonderful opportunity life is! OK, sometimes it's anything but wonderful - and for some people it is never wonderful. But for most of us, this absurd existence can bring such joy, at least some of the time.

 

Here's to life, a magnificent, meaningless joke that offers so much and is to be enjoyed to the max! Then each of us is gone forever and soon forgotten, like a permanent sleep.... 

I’ve considered this question and I think, like you, that is a possibility.

But if things did evolve through a process, how did something evolve originally from nothing. I’m not meaning the actual process of the Big Bang, but the elements that made the Big Bang possible. You can’t evolve from nothing. That bit I struggle to understand. 

It’s easier for me to believe in a creator of some sort to make any kind of sense if it. But to be honest if there was he/it made a few big mistakes when thinking about what he/it was going to do.

[Matt_Lcfc]

4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Well I can't provide you any fvckin evidence can I FFS!

 

And that's the whole point - make it want you want it to be.

 

So what do you want it to be then?

I really don't know mate, it's hard and a broad question to answer 

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

I really don't know mate, it's hard and a broad question to answer 

And that's the beauty of it mate. We all have the free will to make it up however the fvck we want to.

[Sampson]

Think it's all very unlikely if I'm honest.

 

Although we don't fully know what consciousness is, I think we'll be able to create it on computers at some point, at which case it will be obvious that it's just an aberration and weird side effect of our brain structure. Not sure how consciousness can really survive the molecules of your brain and its energy being transferred into other things on Earth after you die and your brain's energy and molecules gets transferred into the soil and worms.

 

I'm willing to give it thought, but even if it were true, I think it being the way any of the major religions see it to be is extremely unlikely and I'm not sure I'd really want to subscribe to any of those ideas of an afterlife anyway - in fact it's just as likely atheists are rewarded with the pleasurable afterlife.

 

Humans creating some kind of cloud you can upload your consciousness to seems like a much better bet for an afterlife. Though I can't see it happening in our lifetime.

 

I have often thought though the rise of "techo religions" and huge movements to do anything to create this cloud could well end up being to the 21st Century what Communism was in the 20th Century - there's so much potential for a huge sweeping movements promising this and equally the potential for it to be abused by chancers or well-meaning (but ultimately blinded) demagogues.

 

Just got to live your life as if this is your last and only chance really. Enjoy the he'll out of while it's here.

[Drew Peacock]

2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

And that's the beauty of it mate. We all have the free will to make it up however the fvck we want to.

What if we get it wrong and pay the consequences. I’m not Catholic, but I’m not going to sleep well tonight now. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

I don't really believe in an afterlife but as I see it, if I exist now then there is a possibility that I will exist again.

[Matt_Lcfc]

2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

And that's the beauty of it mate. We all have the free will to make it up however the fvck we want to.

People refer to me as a "kid" or "young adult" hate this as I like to think I have someone that has developed thinking so don't enjoy that reference 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

I’ve considered this question and I think, like you, that is a possibility.

But if things did evolve through a process, how did something evolve originally from nothing. I’m not meaning the actual process of the Big Bang, but the elements that made the Big Bang possible. You can’t evolve from nothing. That bit I struggle to understand. 

It’s easier for me to believe in a creator of some sort to make any kind of sense if it. But to be honest if there was he/it made a few big mistakes when thinking about what he/it was going to do.

This is probably an answer for the Universe thread, but the initial universal expansion event was a quantum fluctuation down to chance, and as time is just another dimension then talking about "before" it doesn't really mean much.

 

If it was the action of such a being, then IMO thinking we can identify their actions, understand them or their attitude towards what they've created sounds like the most massive hubris imaginable.

[Izzy]

4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

And that's the beauty of it mate. We all have the free will to make it up however the fvck we want to.

 

2 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

People refer to me as a "kid" or "young adult" hate this as I like to think I have someone that has developed thinking so don't enjoy that reference 

Not sure what you mean? What reference?

[Matt_Lcfc]

Just now, Izzy Muzzett said:

 

Not sure what you mean? What reference?

Doesnt matter but basically saying people don't necessarily treat my view as important due to my age

[joachim1965]

Quantum immortality, that's the way forward.

[Drew Peacock]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

This is probably an answer for the Universe thread, but the initial universal expansion event was a quantum fluctuation down to chance, and as time is just another dimension then talking about "before" it doesn't really mean much.

 

If it was the action of such a being, then IMO thinking we can identify their actions, understand them or their attitude towards what they've created sounds like the most massive hubris imaginable.

If it was chance expansion though, something had to expand. Where did that something come from in the first place. Had it been there eternally?  How did it get there in the first place from nothing. It’s an impossible question to answer I know, and possibly one our limited knowledge can’t process.

[Alf Bentley]

1 minute ago, Drew Peacock said:

I’ve considered this question and I think, like you, that is a possibility.

But if things did evolve through a process, how did something evolve originally from nothing. I’m not meaning the actual process of the Big Bang, but the elements that made the Big Bang possible. You can’t evolve from nothing. That bit I struggle to understand. 

It’s easier for me to believe in a creator of some sort to make any kind of sense if it. But to be honest if there was he/it made a few big mistakes when thinking about what he/it was going to do.

 

I think the human mind struggles to comprehend the concepts of nothing and of infinity. Can you imagine either? I can't.

Yet presumably everything developed either from nothing or from infinite existence (with changing forms)....nope, I can't get my head round it either.

But the same applies to a creator. Where did the creator come from? Was he created from nothing - or did he create himself? I suppose people with a religious faith believe the creator has existed for infinity....but is that any easier to comprehend....except through faith in the incomprehensible? 

[Webbo]

Just now, Matt_Lcfc said:

Doesnt matter but basically saying people don't necessarily treat my view as important due to my age

Nobody knows what your age is on here unless you tell them.

[Matt_Lcfc]

Realised I've not actually given my view on the after life. 

For anyone wondering: my view is im not sure if there is a God personally, but I think there must be something after life and this could either be ranging from your soul moving on to going to heaven  but surely there is more to life than being born and dying?

[Izzy]

2 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Doesnt matter but basically saying people don't necessarily treat my view as important due to my age

I don't think anyone has mentioned your age on this thread? If you hadn't brought it up on your second post we wouldn't have known...

[Drew Peacock]

1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I think the human mind struggles to comprehend the concepts of nothing and of infinity. Can you imagine either? I can't.

Yet presumably everything developed either from nothing or from infinite existence (with changing forms)....nope, I can't get my head round it either.

But the same applies to a creator. Where did the creator come from? Was he created from nothing - or did he create himself? I suppose people with a religious faith believe the creator has existed for infinity....but is that any easier to comprehend....except through faith in the incomprehensible? 

It’s fascinating, but frustrating because we just can’t know for sure. Is Chilwell going to be fit soon?

[stripeyfox]

11 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Our bodies are yes. But I believe our spirit/soul moves on.

 

In a way I admire people's simplistic approach though. It's a lot easier to manage 

It would be nice to think so, and of course I respect anyone whose believes this. But for me, you're either alive or dead. On or off. That's it. I was brought up a Christian but I never really "believed" it, even as a kid. God was just one step removed from Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy - another fairytale to make people feel better. I am a believer in nothing other than science. 

 

 

 

 

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Nobody knows what your age is on here unless you tell them.

For the record I'm 16, still a school kid so people look at my views and thinks it's another naive young lad who's views have no significance. This is the same politically, have a massive view on politics. I want to make a change in this world, for the better! 

[ajthefox]

It's a fabricated concept based on human fallibility and wanting to attribute reason where there is none. IMO, of course.

 

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I don't think anyone has mentioned your age on this thread? If you hadn't brought it up on your second post we wouldn't have known...

It wasn't necessary to foxestalk, just on a day to day life. This is a link to after life as what I'm trying to say this does topic does bother me & never mind what I'll be like in 30 years time or whatever.

[stripeyfox]

2 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Realised I've not actually given my view on the after life. 

For anyone wondering: my view is im not sure if there is a God personally, but I think there must be something after life and this could either be ranging from your soul moving on to going to heaven  but surely there is more to life than being born and dying?

Or maybe there isn't. There are billions of different animals on this planet. Do they all go to heaven as well, or just us? "Heaven" is a human creation, an elaborate work of fiction. 

[Webbo]

Just now, Matt_Lcfc said:

For the record I'm 16, still a school kid so people look at my views and thinks it's another naive young lad who's views have no significance. This is the same politically, have a massive view on politics. I want to make a change in this world, for the better! 

You're the only one who's mentioned your age. Join in with the politics threads if you like as well but it does get a bit bitchy on there, no matter what age you are  

[Izzy]

2 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

It would be nice to think so, and of course I respect anyone whose believes this. But for me, you're either alive or dead. On or off. That's it. I was brought up a Christian but I never really "believed" it, even as a kid. God was just one step removed from Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy - another fairytale to make people feel better. I am a believer in nothing other than science. 

 

Fair play mate - respect your beliefs  

 

I'll buy you a pint when I meet you in the afterlife