After life

[David Guiza]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

And be an even bigger selfish arsehole with no care or thought for what you leave behind. Dead is dead why should I care about the environment or long term impact of my actions. I'm going to be a complete **** and then die. I don't even have to repent.

I don't understand the argument that it is one or the other, though I presume you are being a little tongue in cheek. 

 

In many respects, from a morality and kindness point of view alone, I am a better Christian than many Christians (as a religious example) and that is not through fear of an all powerful sadistic God, but rather just the desire to live a worthwhile and moral life. Sure I still have selfish tendencies but generally speaking I try to look after the planet I inhabit and the people I am surrounded by because I believe it is the right thing to do. 

 

I would argue that if one is only adhering to certain beliefs and conventions because of an ultimate reward then they are not necessarily a particularly good person. 

[Captain...]

57 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I never mentioned animals. Jesus man chill out. 

 

This thread was about humans so I gave my input. What I think about animals is irrelevant, you just brought that up.

 

As I said I like a good discussion about life but not when you're jumping to silly conclusions, this thread ain't about animals.

But we are animals and evolved from other animals. I was just curious if your assertion that there is more to this life extends to animals? Or is it only humans that have this or think this?

 

I am pretty chilled, just asking a question. You expressed a view point that there is more than this, but didn't explain why or how far that view went. I find that believing in evolution and an afterlife to be contradictory positions. Whereas if you believe in a creator then fair enough.

[Captain...]

21 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I don't understand the argument that it is one or the other, though I presume you are being a little tongue in cheek. 

 

In many respects, from a morality and kindness point of view alone, I am a better Christian than many Christians (as a religious example) and that is not through fear of an all powerful sadistic God, but rather just the desire to live a worthwhile and moral life. Sure I still have selfish tendencies but generally speaking I try to look after the planet I inhabit and the people I am surrounded by because I believe it is the right thing to do. 

 

I would argue that if one is only adhering to certain beliefs and conventions because of an ultimate reward then they are not necessarily a particularly good person. 

Oh yeah, very much tongue in cheek, my point being that believing in an afterlife or not doesn't mean you are a selfish **** or a selfless caring perfect human being. People fit their actions to their beliefs and vice versa. To say that someone who believes in afterlife is going to be selfish and do what they want because they know they get  another chance, or can repent is false, as is the opposite.

 

All  humans are varied and flawed as are all beliefs, it's ultimately down to you whether you want to be an arsehole or not.

[Carl the Llama]

12 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

I believe in the Sikh version

I'm not all that au fait with Sikhism, what's the Sikh stance on post mortem paradises? (Apologies if you've answered this already, I've got a short break then back to work so no time to read all 7 pages so far)

[Crinklyfox]

There are billions of life forms on this planet, starting with amoebas and working up through plants, animals, etc.  Are they all entitled to an afterlife?  If not, what determines the qualification for an afterlife?  For those who consider re-incarnation to be feasible how does this apply to lower forms of life than homo sapiens?  And if it does, is there a limit (or can the millions of humble krill consumed every day look forward to a further punt at existence as another life form).

 

For that line of reasoning if nothing else I find the concept of an afterlife non-credible.  

[yorkie1999]

13 hours ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

It's a real strange one. I'm only young but choose to believe in it as dying concerns me so it helps to comfort me to believe in something 

I think dying concerns most of us.

[kingcarr21]

I don't believe in anything. Don't believe in God either, I mean who does this

 

God: This planet I have created, lets cover 80% of it in water

 

Angel: Good idea, Humans need water to survive so there will be plenty to dri.........

 

God: MAKE IT UNDRINKABLE!!!

 

 

 

Some people believe that when you die you see a light, as you move towards it you realise its the light shining through your new mums fanny as you are being born. Always makes me chuckle that one  

 

 

[Rincewind]

No. Its the same as all life we just wither away.

I watched a program the other night on Scientologists made by Lois Theroux. They believe in multi lives and past lifes. Nutters. One bloke who left their community had been with them over 30 years and left a wife kids and friends behind. He had now knowledge about the outside world, getting a job etc. Frightning.

[fleshdaddy]

Not for me.

I always think of Schopenhauer (who, to put it mildly, wasn't a particularly cheery soul) who said "After your death you will be what you were before your birth."

 

So, nothing.

[The Guvnor]

Personally do not believe in any Deity, afterlife, ghosts, ghoulies , garden fairies or sorry folks Father Christmas (apologies to any youngsters). As for fearing death not something I am particularly looking forward to but to put it in simple terms what you remember before you were born is what you will experience when you die.

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I never mentioned animals. Jesus man chill out. 

 

This thread was about humans so I gave my input. What I think about animals is irrelevant, you just brought that up.

 

As I said I like a good discussion about life but not when you're jumping to silly conclusions, this thread ain't about animals.

It is relevant though because humans are part of the same evolutionary chain as all those animals and we were once the same being as they are, for hundreds of millions or even billions of years in fact (depending on the animal). 

 

At what point did humans enter the after-life if other animals don't? And did the other species of humans like neanderthals, cro magnons and homo erectus enter the afterlife too or just home sapiens? Did all humans get to the afterlife or only the ones who experienced consciousness since the evolutionary genetic aberration of the brain 30,000 years ago? What about the homo sapiens in the previous 170,000 years? What about apes and chimpanzees who are closer to humans than mice are to rats - do they go to an after-life?

 

It isn't jumping to silly conclusions or irrelevant, surely you have to ask these questions of you believe there has to be something more?

[The Guvnor]

4 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Personally do not believe in any Deity, afterlife, ghosts, ghoulies , garden fairies or sorry folks Father Christmas (apologies to any youngsters). As for fearing death not something I am particularly looking forward to but to put it in simple terms what you remember before you were born is what you will experience when you die.

On second thoughts I would like to retract the non believing of Father Christmas, just to be on the safe side as Christmas is not too far away.

[foxy boxing]

it's nice to believe there is something after this life and many humans find comfort and other stuff thinking that there is such a place. maybe someone in the dark ages invented god and heaven to prevent everyone going nuts or something because it's hard for humans to accept they just die and don't exist! there is no evidence for an afterlife and it's highly unlikely that humans will find one but if people want to believe let them believe and if they don't let them don't.

[Fox92]

24 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It is relevant though because humans are part of the same evolutionary chain as all those animals and we were once the same being as they are, for hundreds of millions or even billions of years in fact (depending on the animal). 

 

At what point did humans enter the after-life if other animals don't? And did the other species of humans like neanderthals, cro magnons and homo erectus enter the afterlife too or just home sapiens? Did all humans get to the afterlife or only the ones who experienced consciousness since the evolutionary genetic aberration of the brain 30,000 years ago? What about the homo sapiens in the previous 170,000 years? What about apes and chimpanzees who are closer to humans than mice are to rats - do they go to an after-life?

 

It isn't jumping to silly conclusions or irrelevant, surely you have to ask these questions of you believe there has to be something more?

I didn’t say animals didn’t have an after life. I simply responded/face my input about human after life. Whether I think animals have after life or not is, somewhat, a different subject.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Yeah,this carpe diem "seize the day" bullshit is tiresome at best and largely the preserve of cod psychology and shite millennial tattoos. Try explaining it to a Mayfly - it''ll probably already understand.

The film Groundhog Day, where Bill Murray has to re-live the same day over and over again until he gets it right - I could do that, no problem (not the 'getting it right' bit, I'm not bothered about that). In fact, I HAVE, in effect, relived the same day over and over again because I've had the same monotonous, menial job for nearly 20 years. I like routine, I find it comforting. I don't like change, or commitment, I find it stressful. Maybe one day it will suddenly hit me that I've wasted my one shot at life, and that I must get married, have kids, find a cure for cancer, go swimming with dolphins, open an elephant orphanage etc. etc. But right now, I'd be perfectly happy watching endless repeats of Columbo on 5USA. And if there is an afterlife, great, hopefully I get to do it there as well.

[Wycombe Fox]

I had a near-death experience when I was ten.

 

I swallowed my tongue whilst asleep in the middle of the night and I remember being totally conscious of the fact that I was choking and dying, thrashing about on the bed unable to help myself, unbearable panic setting-in. Apparently, on top of my tongue being down my throat, I had lock-jaw too.

 

Then, all of a sudden, total calm. I was drifting down a circular tunnel surrounded by swirling rainbow colours towards a bright light.

 

Next thing, I'm awake, my parents are crying and my dad has a nasty cut on his finger where I'd bitten him as he'd prised my mouth open. Apparently I'd stopped breathing. I guess that must've been when all went calm.

 

I never mentioned the colours or the light to anyone until I was sat watching a programme on TV about near-death experiences and I just broke down. I was only ten so I'd had no idea what it meant. I guess I still don't. Was it to an afterlife or just chemicals in the brain?

[Countryfox]

I died years ago and have been using Gods computer to keep in touch ...     he's also got an iphone 7 you know and supports Manure ..  

[SouthStandUpperTier]

I died years ago and have been using Gods computer to keep in touch ...     he's also got an iphone 7 you know and supports Manure ..  [emoji4]

There's no way St. Peter let you in CF. You must've sneaked round the back and found a gap in the railings.

[SpacedX]

45 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

4 hours ago, Line-X said:

Yeah,this carpe diem "seize the day" bullshit is tiresome at best and largely the preserve of cod psychology and shite millennial tattoos. Try explaining it to a Mayfly - it''ll probably already understand.

The film Groundhog Day, where Bill Murray has to re-live the same day over and over again until he gets it right - I could do that, no problem (not the 'getting it right' bit, I'm not bothered about that). In fact, I HAVE, in effect, relived the same day over and over again because I've had the same monotonous, menial job for nearly 20 years. I like routine, I find it comforting. I don't like change, or commitment, I find it stressful. Maybe one day it will suddenly hit me that I've wasted my one shot at life, and that I must get married, have kids, find a cure for cancer, go swimming with dolphins, open an elephant orphanage etc. etc. But right now, I'd be perfectly happy watching endless repeats of Columbo on 5USA. And if there is an afterlife, great, hopefully I get to do it there as well.

Peter Falk is waiting for you.

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'm not all that au fait with Sikhism, what's the Sikh stance on post mortem paradises? (Apologies if you've answered this already, I've got a short break then back to work so no time to read all 7 pages so far)

In short, Sikhs believe that we all are of the same 'essence' as the supreme essence, or as we call puram-atma = supreme soul/essence.  Purpose of life is for a souls to achieve the higher conscience, one that can look beyond the ill's of the world and look beyond earthly limitations, once our souls have reached to that conscience, our conscience we will become one with puram-atma.  Hence our soul will go through many life-cycles , or reincarnations, not only as humans but as any form of life, constantly learning until it becomes human again and have the opportunity to achieve that higher conscience.

 

So in really short terms, once I die, I become reborn as something else or I will be in state of constant bliss for eternity.

 

God in Sikhism isnt a humanistic god like abhramic faiths, we believe god is in everything, everywhere.

 

I hope that helps.  

[johnny the fox]

Having been to barwell..i'm wondering if there is life before death..

[Finnegan]

4 hours ago, Isle of Wight Fox said:

I had a near-death experience when I was ten.

 

I swallowed my tongue whilst asleep in the middle of the night and I remember being totally conscious of the fact that I was choking and dying, thrashing about on the bed unable to help myself, unbearable panic setting-in. Apparently, on top of my tongue being down my throat, I had lock-jaw too.

 

Then, all of a sudden, total calm. I was drifting down a circular tunnel surrounded by swirling rainbow colours towards a bright light.

 

Next thing, I'm awake, my parents are crying and my dad has a nasty cut on his finger where I'd bitten him as he'd prised my mouth open. Apparently I'd stopped breathing. I guess that must've been when all went calm.

 

I never mentioned the colours or the light to anyone until I was sat watching a programme on TV about near-death experiences and I just broke down. I was only ten so I'd had no idea what it meant. I guess I still don't. Was it to an afterlife or just chemicals in the brain?

 

Chemicals in the brain. 

 

You're not dead just because you stopped breathing. Obviously I can't say for certain because I wasn't there but based off what you've just said, you didn't die you just experienced asphyxiation to the point of losing consciousness. 

[Izzy]

4 hours ago, Isle of Wight Fox said:

I had a near-death experience when I was ten.

 

I swallowed my tongue whilst asleep in the middle of the night and I remember being totally conscious of the fact that I was choking and dying, thrashing about on the bed unable to help myself, unbearable panic setting-in. Apparently, on top of my tongue being down my throat, I had lock-jaw too.

 

Then, all of a sudden, total calm. I was drifting down a circular tunnel surrounded by swirling rainbow colours towards a bright light.

 

Next thing, I'm awake, my parents are crying and my dad has a nasty cut on his finger where I'd bitten him as he'd prised my mouth open. Apparently I'd stopped breathing. I guess that must've been when all went calm.

 

I never mentioned the colours or the light to anyone until I was sat watching a programme on TV about near-death experiences and I just broke down. I was only ten so I'd had no idea what it meant. I guess I still don't. Was it to an afterlife or just chemicals in the brain?

I'm fascinated by near-death experiences. I think this 6 minute YouTube clip shows some interesting examples.

 

I find these personal accounts more believable than conspiracy theories of 9/11 & JFK for example.

 

Most on here will dismiss it all as bollux or 'just dreams' but there's definitely something in it (for me anyway)

 

 

 

[Kyle_Le_Don]

I do like these topics I do I do. 

I remember saying to my mum from a very young age that I feel trapped in this world. Maybe a feeling of being limited dunno.

Always feeling as though there must be more. I now know there is. 

 

Twice I have consciously left my body as wierd as that sounds.. and both times came more or less straight back, the 1st experience I remember looking down at my bed with my partner and I still in bed sleeping but almost as if I was looking through a tv screen I got so excited that id finally done it I popped back in.

I felt tremendous vibrations just before it happened.

 

I did a lot of reading into out of body experiences (OOBE) Astral projection, lucid dreaming, NDE and other 'paranormal'

Robert monroe being one of my favorite astral explorers. 

 

Some people are even skilled enough to not need sleep as we know it and can meditate whilst the body is asleep they remain aware. Ill keep all this short but basically I know in myself that we are more than we could ever imagine and we truly are limitless multidimensional beings

 

2 choices fear and love.

 

Ps im no cuckoo haha or am I??!!

[Kyle_Le_Don]

We all experience alot of stuff as kids as wever not been conditioned yet and are more open to situations. 

 

Most nights I would go to bed and dream of exactly what I wanted to and could change them whilst dreaming. Majority of the time I was always running from someone or something. 

 

I lost count of the amount of times I used to float down my stairs or jump down them Wether it being AP or Dreams. To the point I genuinely believed I could do it whilst being awake which didnt end too good haha. 

 

Endless dejavu moments. I understand more the saying truth is stranger than fiction.