Leicester City negotiate Ahmed Musa loan

[Monsell1976]

5 hours ago, Gerard said:

Musa to CSKA possibly for £4.4m says agent.

 

http://dailypost.ng/2018/01/19/agent-speaks-ahmed-musas-future-leicester/

 will cover the loan fee, if the powers that be sold him for that they shouldn’t be in the job of negotiating  

Edited 19 January 2018 by Monsell1976

[Gerard]

55 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

 will cover the loan fee, if the powers that be sold him for that they shouldn’t be in the job of negotiating  

You wouldn't sell him for £4.4m?

 

I would, whilst it would be nice to get more we haven't had any real interest in him and he's nowhere near the first team and eating up £60k a week in wages.

 

Sell, move on and put it down to experience and you win some you lose some.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Monsell1976 said:

 will cover the loan fee, if the powers that be sold him for that they shouldn’t be in the job of negotiating  

How much do you think we could realistically get, out of interest?

[HighPeakFox]

Yes, he's been an expensive mistake, but then again, & by way of counter balance, I offer you Morgan, Fuchs, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Mahrez and Vardy. 

 

And yes I know Musa isn't the only costly flop, but to have that many cheap successes is more notable, I think. Cut losses and move on.

[Monsell1976]

7 hours ago, toddybad said:

How much do you think we could realistically get, out of interest?

Brought him for 16 million, wouldn’t take less than 9 mill, still young, plenty of contract left, just out of form and confidence.

[Monsell1976]

9 hours ago, Gerard said:

You wouldn't sell him for £4.4m?

 

I would, whilst it would be nice to get more we haven't had any real interest in him and he's nowhere near the first team and eating up £60k a week in wages.

 

Sell, move on and put it down to experience and you win some you lose some.

But a lot of fans are happy for Andy king to doss around on similar money.

 This lad desperately in need of game time, and confidence, I personally would loan him out until summer, if he does well great, he might be an option again, if not, it might increase interest at the price we want.

[fuchsntf]

1 minute ago, Monsell1976 said:

But a lot of fans are happy for Andy king to doss around on similar money.

 This lad desperately in need of game time, and confidence, I personally would loan him out until summer, if he does well great, he might be an option again, if not, it might increase interest at the price we want.

If hes not moving on, like you say , a loan deal till summer would be prudent. Might give him something to aim for, puts him back

into our thoughts .See what developes, or we can let him go.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Monsell1976 said:

Brought him for 16 million, wouldn’t take less than 9 mill, still young, plenty of contract left, just out of form and confidence.

What ars bought him for is irrelevant.If we wait for that sort of money we'll be paying his wages unto the end of his contract

[desertfox2]

1 hour ago, Monsell1976 said:

Brought him for 16 million, wouldn’t take less than 9 mill, still young, plenty of contract left, just out of form and confidence.

Surprised there's no known interest from the Championship unless I've missed something. He would probably score for fun there. 

[Wymsey]

If he really wants to leave, would've thought the club wouldn't get in his way amid interest from a former club; to free up space in the squad that is an improvement on him and actually wants to compete for a place in the match day squad.

[Monsell1976]

2 hours ago, toddybad said:

What ars bought him for is irrelevant.If we wait for that sort of money we'll be paying his wages unto the end of his contract

Sell him for 4 million now, or send him on loan to get his form back, and create more potential suitors, and get more in a  transfer fee in the summer, I know what I’d do, and a large part of his wages would be covered by the club loaned too, via loan fee or they pay his wages.

[Gerard]

3 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

Brought him for 16 million, wouldn’t take less than 9 mill, still young, plenty of contract left, just out of form and confidence.

 

We're due to pay him another £7.5m over the next 2.5 years. I think there's a very good chance he sees his contract out here so accepting £4,4m now could save the club nearly £12m.

 

He's a million miles away from the first team. Even though we are short of personnel for players to play in the three behind the striker he only got on the bench once over the December period whilst we rotated Mahrez, Gray, Albrighton and Okazaki in those position. Even our left back Chilwell is ahead of him for the wide left midfield position.

 

We've had no real links for him to be transferred this window so it's not like there is competition for his services. Personally I'd consider any offer for him as Puel's squad selections suggests he offers nothing to the club.

[Gerard]

12 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

Sell him for 4 million now, or send him on loan to get his form back, and create more potential suitors, and get more in a  transfer fee in the summer, I know what I’d do, and a large part of his wages would be covered by the club loaned too, via loan fee or they pay his wages.

 

Sending players out on loan in the hope they do well to increase their transfer fee also has a downside. If he flops somewhere else he's virtually worthless. It's a gamble but accepting £4.4m now could possibly save the club £12m over the next 2.5 years. He's not even lighting up the U23's.

[sylofox]

4 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Yes, he's been an expensive mistake, but then again, & by way of counter balance, I offer you Morgan, Fuchs, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Mahrez and Vardy. 

 

And yes I know Musa isn't the only costly flop, but to have that many cheap successes is more notable, I think. Cut losses and move on.

HPF I would add Kasper Huth and Simpson to that list.

[ian_marshall]

15 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

We're due to pay him another £7.5m over the next 2.5 years. I think there's a very good chance he sees his contract out here so accepting £4,4m now could save the club nearly £12m.

 

He's a million miles away from the first team. Even though we are short of personnel for players to play in the three behind the striker he only got on the bench once over the December period whilst we rotated Mahrez, Gray, Albrighton and Okazaki in those position. Even our left back Chilwell is ahead of him for the wide left midfield position.

 

We've had no real links for him to be transferred this window so it's not like there is competition for his services. Personally I'd consider any offer for him as Puel's squad selections suggests he offers nothing to the club.

Bear in mind also that we probably have further installments to pay on the transfer fee owing to CSKA, so any deal will probably be along the lines of they pay £4m plus write off any fees owing leaving them with a profit of circa £7m which is a pretty decent deal for them. 

 

It's a win for us as we get him off the wage bill and reduce our liabilities owing, whilst minimising our losses. 

 

And Musa gets to go back to a club where he was well regarded and get game time again so that he can push on with his career. 

 

It's a win, win, win situation for all parties concerned. 

[Gerard]

3 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

Bear in mind also that we probably have further installments to pay on the transfer fee owing to CSKA, so any deal will probably be along the lines of they pay £4m plus write off any fees owing leaving them with a profit of circa £7m which is a pretty decent deal for them. 

 

It's a win for us as we get him off the wage bill and reduce our liabilities owing, whilst minimising our losses. 

 

And Musa gets to go back to a club where he was well regarded and get game time again so that he can push on with his career. 

 

It's a win, win, win situation for all parties concerned. 

 

We probably pay CSKA £4m a year over the term of Musa's contract. There's no way we get to scrap that £8m owed and pay us £4m on top. 

 

If anything they would take him back and we'd only pay them another £4m instead of £8m over the next two years whilst they send us nothing.

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

Sell him for 4 million now, or send him on loan to get his form back, and create more potential suitors, and get more in a  transfer fee in the summer, I know what I’d do, and a large part of his wages would be covered by the club loaned too, via loan fee or they pay his wages.

I don't share your confidence that had value wouldn't go down further. The bloke couldn't trap a bag of sand. We need to cut our losses now.

[ian_marshall]

10 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

We probably pay CSKA £4m a year over the term of Musa's contract. There's no way we get to scrap that £8m owed and pay us £4m on top. 

 

If anything they would take him back and we'd only pay them another £4m instead of £8m over the next two years whilst they send us nothing.

I think it depends on the terms that formed the original transfer. If the transfer was structured so that we pay monthly installments over a 24 month period then we have already paid around £12m to CSKA. Them then paying us £4m will leave them with an £8m profit, along with a player who they know performs to a high level in their league and their team. It'd still be a very good deal for them. 

 

Admittedly no one knows the terms of the transfer so it's all conjecture, but I just wanted to point out that depending on circumstances the deal may not be as bad as we all presume. 

[Monsell1976]

43 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I don't share your confidence that had value wouldn't go down further. The bloke couldn't trap a bag of sand. We need to cut our losses now.

That probably more about your negative attitude towards the player, than the reality of an inform musa demanding more than 4 million.

[Monsell1976]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

We're due to pay him another £7.5m over the next 2.5 years. I think there's a very good chance he sees his contract out here so accepting £4,4m now could save the club nearly £12m.

 

He's a million miles away from the first team. Even though we are short of personnel for players to play in the three behind the striker he only got on the bench once over the December period whilst we rotated Mahrez, Gray, Albrighton and Okazaki in those position. Even our left back Chilwell is ahead of him for the wide left midfield position.

 

We've had no real links for him to be transferred this window so it's not like there is competition for his services. Personally I'd consider any offer for him as Puel's squad selections suggests he offers nothing to the club.

I’m not a musa fan, Id like to think the people who scouted him, and negotiated the expensive contracts, and the other expensive failures no longer work for the club, oh wait they do.

 Don’t care about musa, but care about the club throwing money down the drain, if there is a way of getting his wages of the books with a loan, and recouping a good chunk of the fee, all avenues should be looked at, before throwing in the towel and losing serious amounts of money 

[sylofox]

Is anyone else starting to get the feeling this could miss the deadline?

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

HPF I would add Kasper Huth and Simpson to that list.

Agreed 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

That probably more about your negative attitude towards the player, than the reality of an inform musa demanding more than 4 million.

Or alternatively your naive belief in player who's shown nothing for firs team or u23s.

[m4DD0gg]

You would have to be mental to buy this player.

[Monsell1976]

2 hours ago, toddybad said:

Or alternatively your naive belief in player who's shown nothing for firs team or u23s.

Naive  nothing to do with the player, to do the club doing the best to recoup as much as they can, rather than your attitude of giving players away for nothing.

 Loan him get all/ or the majority of his wages covered till summer, if he hits form flog him for 8-9 million, or just throw give him away now and lose millions.

 

Ok he might be shit on loan, and he might go for next to nothing, but surely it’s in the clubs financial interest to get as much as they can