Fox92 Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 38 minutes ago, Nigel Graham Pearson said: What does that even mean? Sounds worryingly like the ‘he does the simple things well’ line that King romantics trot out. Let me guess, James is also a presence in the dressing room and a role model for the youngsters? "Workhorse" seems like a last resort label to me when he's not offering anything else. As I said previously I think James is a good footballer but dunno what he brings to this side.
FLAN Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 I think Claude sees a little of himself (as a player) in him. Not the most skilful but works hard. He seems to have overdone his time in the gym and looks a little too bulky to be able to get around as much as he should.
kingfox Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 3 hours ago, Col city fan said: Who said every midfielder had to be box to box? Like you used to call Drinkwater bang average, I'm calling James bang average at this level. If you don't like that, tough shite. He'd....be.....better.....in....the.....upper.....echelons.....of.....the.....championship Comprende? This coming from a guy who wanted Lee Cattermole and Jay Emmanuel-Thomas.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kingfox said: This coming from a guy who wanted Lee Cattermole and Jay Emmanuel-Thomas. I've told you before. Stop trying to curry favour with your fellow FT's. Like I do, I suspect many think you are still a cry baby bunting. It won't wash... Edited 11 February 2018 by Col city fan
kingfox Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 6 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I've told you before. Stop trying to curry favour with your fellow FT's. Like I do, I suspect many think you are still a cry baby pissant. It won't wash... Just telling deluded fans how it is. Two games Col and suddenly he is a scapegoat, two games in which the majority of the team was shite. Go tend to your Lee Cattermole scrapbook you created, here's a pic from yesterday if you haven't printed it off and added it already.
Soar Fox Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 2 hours ago, kingfox said: This coming from a guy who wanted Lee Cattermole and Jay Emmanuel-Thomas. Didn’t you want to sell Mahrez for £4 million to Roma or Villarreal? ”can be great, can be bad just another player vastly overrated by our fans” 3
Ian Nacho Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 A tad unfair, James is slowly turning into the King scapegoat. I agree, there are players in midfield that personally I think are better than him and we should play ahead of him but I think he's a good player to have. Just whenever we lose everyone just blames James as he's seen as the weak point in the team. People have short memories, he was excellent against Chelsea away, had good games too against Huddersfield and Watford.
kingfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said: Didn’t you want to sell Mahrez for £4 million to Roma or Villarreal? ”can be great, can be bad just another player vastly overrated by our fans” Yep, luckily that was a season before he turned into the best player in the Prem and we won the league And last season that quote was right in some aspects Edited 12 February 2018 by kingfox
Tringfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 11 hours ago, FIF said: Of course it does. We have very different brains. For me Ndidi was very good yesterday. Vardy, and Diabaté good and James and Silva above average. Our team played better in that match than in some where we've taken points but I don't expect you to understand my thoughts or thinking. So what are you seeing with Matty James that we’re not??
Tringfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 6 hours ago, F1_AN said: I think Claude sees a little of himself (as a player) in him. Not the most skilful but works hard. He seems to have overdone his time in the gym and looks a little too bulky to be able to get around as much as he should. More like overdone his time in KFC.
Babylon Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 06:31, Col city fan said: Matty James made 29 appearances that season ,compared to Cambiasso (33) and Drinkwater (23) Are you saying he didn't play very much and that we had a strong midfield? In my opinion, James is like King. Would be better suited to a top, Championship side. Errrrrr no I'm saying exactly what I said. He wasn't ever present as you stated and that during that season you lumped all the blame on Cambiasso. Are you now denying you stated that other players were having to do more work and impeded by Cambiasso? 38 league games Cambiasso 2423 minutes 27 starts James 1892 minutes 20 starts Drinkwater 1488 minutes 16 starts Andy King 1374 minutes 16 starts. He's no more culpable than anyone else that season, they all had their chances and he was nowhere near ever present. 1
Royston. Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 The point of Matty James is to remind us that even though we have ndidi, Silva and iborra, someone who peaked in the championship year's ago and suffered a career threatening injury can still make the starting eleven of a premier league team with top ten ambitions. 1
fleckneymike Posted 12 February 2018 Author Posted 12 February 2018 Four pages in and still no one has actually said what he does. In no way is he responsible for us losing at Man City but I am still at a complete loss as to what he offers the team. Every other player, regardless of ability, you can ask a fan 'what's he like, what does he do' and they could answer without a pause. Ask about Matty James and the best we've come up with is that Puel likes him because he reminds him of himself. 2
Babylon Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 08:09, Fox92 said: Not good enough. Not good enough for what? He's been part of a team that's finished midtable and is part of a team that's currently top 10. We've beaten brighton, huddersfield, watford, drew with chelsea and a resurgent swansea. We've lost to Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Chelsea and Everton. There isn't exactly much results wise to point to him not being good enough to achieve what the current aim is, and that's finishing top 10. Good enough to see us break into the top 6 consistently, no. But then the same could be pointed at most of our players. The other options have so far not cemented themselves in the team ahead of him as they have their own weaknesses and poor performances. 1
Popular Post Babylon Posted 12 February 2018 Popular Post Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: Four pages in and still no one has actually said what he does. In no way is he responsible for us losing at Man City but I am still at a complete loss as to what he offers the team. Every other player, regardless of ability, you can ask a fan 'what's he like, what does he do' and they could answer without a pause. Ask about Matty James and the best we've come up with is that Puel likes him because he reminds him of himself. What does Iborra do? Compare their stats and nothing stands out with either of them. James is used to tick the ball over, keep possession and switch the play. People can say "oh he doesn't tackle like N'didi", but they don't mention he's top on interceptions or pass completion percentages. Iborra had some absolute stinkers where he gave the ball away over and over again. That's what ended up costing him his place IMO, whilst not flashy James can keep the ball well and I've not seen him have a stinker yet to the levels Iborra did, where he was constantly presenting the ball to the oppo, unforced in dangerous positions. When the manager wants to keep possession, and play a passing game I would hazard a guess he went for someone who gives him a 7/10 most games, rather than someone who swings wildly between the odd 9/10 and some 2/10. Can we do better than James, yes I'm sure we can. But the scape goating of him and threads like this I find unfair. Just to add, I saw a few people saying Iborra should start because of his heading ability at set pieces. Iborra wins 46% of his attempted headers, James 60%. Edited 12 February 2018 by Babylon 4 2
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 33 minutes ago, Babylon said: What does Iborra do? Compare their stats and nothing stands out with either of them. James is used to tick the ball over, keep possession and switch the play. People can say "oh he doesn't tackle like N'didi", but they don't mention he's top on interceptions or pass completion percentages. Iborra had some absolute stinkers where he gave the ball away over and over again. That's what ended up costing him his place IMO, whilst not flashy James can keep the ball well and I've not seen him have a stinker yet to the levels Iborra did, where he was constantly presenting the ball to the oppo, unforced in dangerous positions. When the manager wants to keep possession, and play a passing game I would hazard a guess he went for someone who gives him a 7/10 most games, rather than someone who swings wildly between the odd 9/10 and some 2/10. Can we do better than James, yes I'm sure we can. But the scape goating of him and threads like this I find unfair. Just to add, I saw a few people saying Iborra should start because of his heading ability at set pieces. Iborra wins 46% of his attempted headers, James 60%. Yeah I think this is all fair actually. My standpoint remains I’d like to see a better CM to play alongside Ndidi if we are ever going to really cement a place in the top 6/7 I don’t think Matt James is good enough for this but neither do I think a number of others are either. I’m not sold on Iborra or on Silva yet either.
Babylon Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 10 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Yeah I think this is all fair actually. My standpoint remains I’d like to see a better CM to play alongside Ndidi if we are ever going to really cement a place in the top 6/7 I don’t think Matt James is good enough for this but neither do I think a number of others are either. I’m not sold on Iborra or on Silva yet either. I think it's fair the others get a chance again like James has been getting, I think they have the potential to have far more to their games than James. But like you I'm not sold on either at the moment, Silva is fair enough as he's been out an age. Iborra just needs to cut out the wild swings in form. Even during the game he does one amazing thing and then one absolutely awful thing straight after and it's bloody frustrating.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 V harsh this thread, I think he needs time in the team to get to the standards he can reach after being out for so long. As to what he brings - good defensive positioning, an ability to keep possession well and keep things 'ticking over', also the eye to pick out a pass, and has the physical strength some of our team lack. I don't think he should be starting currently but I wouldn't call him the weak link in the squad when you've got players like Albrighton, fuchs and Simpson starting regularly. 1
M0901 Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: V harsh this thread, I think he needs time in the team to get to the standards he can reach after being out for so long. As to what he brings - good defensive positioning, an ability to keep possession well and keep things 'ticking over', also the eye to pick out a pass, and has the physical strength some of our team lack. I don't think he should be starting currently but I wouldn't call him the weak link in the squad when you've got players like Albrighton, fuchs and Simpson starting regularly. I certainly wouldn't call Albrighton a weak link...
Tringfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 13 minutes ago, M0901 said: I certainly wouldn't call Albrighton a weak link... I don’t think weak is the right word, more inconsistent!
kingfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 1 hour ago, Babylon said: What does Iborra do? Compare their stats and nothing stands out with either of them. James is used to tick the ball over, keep possession and switch the play. People can say "oh he doesn't tackle like N'didi", but they don't mention he's top on interceptions or pass completion percentages. Iborra had some absolute stinkers where he gave the ball away over and over again. That's what ended up costing him his place IMO, whilst not flashy James can keep the ball well and I've not seen him have a stinker yet to the levels Iborra did, where he was constantly presenting the ball to the oppo, unforced in dangerous positions. When the manager wants to keep possession, and play a passing game I would hazard a guess he went for someone who gives him a 7/10 most games, rather than someone who swings wildly between the odd 9/10 and some 2/10. Can we do better than James, yes I'm sure we can. But the scape goating of him and threads like this I find unfair. Just to add, I saw a few people saying Iborra should start because of his heading ability at set pieces. Iborra wins 46% of his attempted headers, James 60%. Well said Babs, well said
Popular Post Manchesterred Posted 12 February 2018 Popular Post Posted 12 February 2018 Ahh the beautiful game that divides so many opinions. Let’s be real. City are arguably the best team in Europe to date. After 45 minutes leicester dig in and claw it back to 1-1. Sometimes in football it’s not about how well you play its about trying to keep that score in your favour. The 5-1 loss was down to a tactical misfortune. Puel takes off a centre midfielder for a right back, formation changes, albrighton becomes an almost centre midfielder that’s never played in that position and now has to do so against the likes of De Bruyne. People often compare performances to other games they’ve played or ex professionals that have played for them in the past. Every single game is different. A player might be told to have a free role and exspress themselves. Another maybe to sit in and defend. Every role is different. James has had some fantastic games over the last few weeks. 2 average games in a week does not make him a bad player. I see Puel to be making him a player to sit in and calm things down. Matty adds composure and calmness to the team and it’s something Peul enjoys. Arguably Motm against arsenal and Chelsea both away from home squashes qualms he’s not good enough in big games. Rather than slate him let’s think about the task he’s been handed before the game, get behind him and cheer him on!! 5
M0901 Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 9 minutes ago, Manchesterred said: Ahh the beautiful game that divides so many opinions. Let’s be real. City are arguably the best team in Europe to date. After 45 minutes leicester dig in and claw it back to 1-1. Sometimes in football it’s not about how well you play its about trying to keep that score in your favour. The 5-1 loss was down to a tactical misfortune. Puel takes off a centre midfielder for a right back, formation changes, albrighton becomes an almost centre midfielder that’s never played in that position and now has to do so against the likes of De Bruyne. People often compare performances to other games they’ve played or ex professionals that have played for them in the past. Every single game is different. A player might be told to have a free role and exspress themselves. Another maybe to sit in and defend. Every role is different. James has had some fantastic games over the last few weeks. 2 average games in a week does not make him a bad player. I see Puel to be making him a player to sit in and calm things down. Matty adds composure and calmness to the team and it’s something Peul enjoys. Arguably Motm against arsenal and Chelsea both away from home squashes qualms he’s not good enough in big games. Rather than slate him let’s think about the task he’s been handed before the game, get behind him and cheer him on!! Bang on
Charl91 Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 I quite like James, but I don't think he should be a starter. That being said, he's much better than King, and he's more than good enough to cover. We don't want to ship him out - you're not going to get many better 4th choice midfielders. 2
dnewty Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Charl91 said: I quite like James, but I don't think he should be a starter. That being said, he's much better than King, and he's more than good enough to cover. We don't want to ship him out - you're not going to get many better 4th choice midfielders. Agree decent squad player but you cant have him starting in games like Man City away.
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