Puel's BIG problem is obvious. His HOME results are RELEGATION results

[Dames]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

 

I wouldnt dismiss your concerns outright.  It is possible that we wont start to click going forward under Puel

 

But I'm not sure I agree with this new world in which 1 year is enough to expect to see the best out of a manager's team.  It surely takes time and several windows?

 

I think the club is very ambitious it just knows a bit of patience is required at this particualar stage

 

Puel might not be the be all and end all, but for now whilst we are safe and even better than safe, doing well in the league, I think the best thing for the club would be to back the current project and reassess in the summer

 

I will be pissed off if we get rid of Puel and get someone underwhelming in.  We are top half in the PL, if we are still there come the end of the season and we change manager the new guy better be a sexy fuchin option

I think a year is a good period of time. Look what OGS has done at Old Trafford in less than a month he's got them playing completely differently to how they have been for a long time. I know its new manager bounce and all that but tactically against Spurs they got it spot on.

 

Back to my point he's had longer than a year - he's been with them day in day out getting his message across, he's had a full preseason and I think this is it. I'd have more faith if I seen more games where we started with the intent to impose ourselves and look to dominate possession with the intent to score and not just dominate the possession with the intent of recycling it to keep it defensively. For a long while now our set up has been, stand off, be patient in and out of possession, don't take risks, don't over commit, cross the ball from deep to a maximum of 2 people in the box under 6 foot. I think with the crossing aspect he hopes to force a mistake from the opposition and have a header fall kindly but it just doesnt work because we don't force the issue as we are too safe in and out of possession.

 

If tactically people could see if he was trying to do something more there would be a lot more patience for the bloke but all we can see is dull, overly cautious football.

[SonicBoom]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Aye. Van Dijk seemed to transform that Liverpool back 4 from a leaky piece of s*** to one of the best defences in the league

 

Conversely imagine what losing him could do to a team like Southampton

Absolutely. But what can you do. Players are absolute tossers these days. VvD signed out biggest ever contract for 5 years then one year in, started meeting Liverpool on the quiet after they tapped him up. He then sulked and refused to play and was basically a hugely disruptive influence around the place until we had no option but to sell. If they want to go, they go don't they. 

[FrankieADZ]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

He just changed the home formation and it didnt help at all.

If he had stuck with his 4231 we might have got at least a bore draw on Saturday  

 

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

He just did change the formation, to what many had been asking for and it stunk the place out.

 

All I ever hear is how stubborn he is, then in the next breath he changes formations and the team too much. 

 

The football is toss, no gettin away from that. But some of the othe complaints I can't fathom.

by change of formation i mean something which would suit us more at home, 3-5-2 or something like that, we did change formation and it works well against teams like Man City etc that crap doesnt fly against lesser likes  and if im correct werent some moaning that he didnt play the 4-3-3(the same time) against Cardiff, Puel in a lose lose situation there tbh

its getting all too predictable too imo, pass pass out wide cross and hope to hell someone gets on the end of it,

dont get me wrong the football can be crap at times but i remember seeing worse at Leicester in the last 10/15yrs

[Dames]

3 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

It might have helped if you didn't sell your best players that season and lose Van Dijk because of an injury (against us). 

Get used to that because its whats going to happen to us.

 

We've lost Mahrez the summer just gone and the way things are going we'll struggle to hold onto Maguire, Chilwell and possibly Ricardo, Maddison and maybe even Vardy. These players don't want to be battling for mid table every season and with the manager lowering expectations it gives us even less of a leg to stand on when trying to hold on to them.

[That_Dude]

5 minutes ago, siraaj_lcfc said:

Mendy??? Weren't he already here?

He was on loan at Nice. Keep up.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

11 minutes ago, Dames said:

I think a year is a good period of time. Look what OGS has done at Old Trafford in less than a month he's got them playing completely differently to how they have been for a long time. I know its new manager bounce and all that but tactically against Spurs they got it spot on.

 

Back to my point he's had longer than a year - he's been with them day in day out getting his message across, he's had a full preseason and I think this is it. I'd have more faith if I seen more games where we started with the intent to impose ourselves and look to dominate possession with the intent to score and not just dominate the possession with the intent of recycling it to keep it defensively. For a long while now our set up has been, stand off, be patient in and out of possession, don't take risks, don't over commit, cross the ball from deep to a maximum of 2 people in the box under 6 foot. I think with the crossing aspect he hopes to force a mistake from the opposition and have a header fall kindly but it just doesnt work because we don't force the issue as we are too safe in and out of possession.

 

If tactically people could see if he was trying to do something more there would be a lot more patience for the bloke but all we can see is dull, overly cautious football.

I'm damn sick of seeing the same stuff every week same as you.  Crosses going in to nobody, no one daring to take a risk with the ball in midfield to the point where we just pass it back and the other team sits and waits for us....

 

Its obviously a combo of tactics and players at our disposal, just how much remains to be seen, if he gets the chance

 

We are crying out for the kind of player we thought Silva would be.  Seems we have sacrificed it in order to shore up the defence, or Silva is really not good enough?  I dont know what the truth is just yet regarding that.

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

8 minutes ago, SonicBoom said:

Absolutely. But what can you do. Players are absolute tossers these days. VvD signed out biggest ever contract for 5 years then one year in, started meeting Liverpool on the quiet after they tapped him up. He then sulked and refused to play and was basically a hugely disruptive influence around the place until we had no option but to sell. If they want to go, they go don't they. 

Yep, been there mate

 

[The Doctor]

59 minutes ago, Dames said:

Puel is currently halfway through a window and the signs are that we won't be making a signing like that if any signings at all despite glaring holes in the team/squad.

It's the January window. Look at recent January windows:

 

17/18: Diabate

16/17: Ndidi

15/16: Gray, Amartey

14/15: Schwarzer, Kramaric

13/14: Mahrez, Phillips

12/13: Wood

11/12: Drinkwater, Morgan, Marshall

10/11: Bamba, Ricardo, Mee, Van Aanholt, Yakubu

09/10: Bruce, Solano

08/09: Cleverley, Brown

 

Being generous you'd say maybe 3 seasons (Ndidi, Kramaric and Sven's loan brigade) we've attempted to fix major gaps rather than take a punt on a cheap youngster or an old head to add a bit of experience. Carrying on a rebuild job midseason rarely happens because it's very difficult to get value in January, besides which we're midtable, lowest we've been all season is 13th (after the first round of matches) and we've been out of the top half for one week since October. It's not urgent

 

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

29 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Maddison, who Puel personally called and convinced to come visit the grounds, was coming here anyway? 

That's the job of a manager, so Puel identified Maddision? Nothing to do with the scouting department? 

[whoareyaaa]

31 minutes ago, siraaj_lcfc said:

Mendy??? Weren't he already here?

He was but was out on loan and probably would have been sold until Puel decided to bring him back

[smr]

 

Basically, this sums up exactly what my thoughts are. 

 

Defensive minded

3 Defensive midfielders against a crap team who we should have gone out and attacked

Sideways passing

Backwards passing

 

[Attywolf]

37 minutes ago, Dames said:

I think a year is a good period of time. Look what OGS has done at Old Trafford in less than a month he's got them playing completely differently to how they have been for a long time. I know its new manager bounce and all that but tactically against Spurs they got it spot on.

 

Back to my point he's had longer than a year - he's been with them day in day out getting his message across, he's had a full preseason and I think this is it. I'd have more faith if I seen more games where we started with the intent to impose ourselves and look to dominate possession with the intent to score and not just dominate the possession with the intent of recycling it to keep it defensively. For a long while now our set up has been, stand off, be patient in and out of possession, don't take risks, don't over commit, cross the ball from deep to a maximum of 2 people in the box under 6 foot. I think with the crossing aspect he hopes to force a mistake from the opposition and have a header fall kindly but it just doesnt work because we don't force the issue as we are too safe in and out of possession.

 

If tactically people could see if he was trying to do something more there would be a lot more patience for the bloke but all we can see is dull, overly cautious football.

So was Shakespeare the right manager for us I mean that's what happened for us then a year later gone. Same with the Southampton manager's after puel.also he didn't have a full preseason as most of our star players were at this thing called the world cup and didn't get back to training until a couple of weeks before are first game. if you've seen him on the touchline you can see he's as annoyed by the side passing as us .he wants it to move forward quicker but for some reason the old players aren't as confident with the ball and panic then pass backwards.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

15 minutes ago, smr said:

 

Basically, this sums up exactly what my thoughts are. 

 

Defensive minded

3 Defensive midfielders against a crap team who we should have gone out and attacked

Sideways passing

Backwards passing

 

He has only done this once to be fair.  And most people on here who slate him said he needs to try this formation against all teams

[Arriba Los Zorros]

On 13/01/2019 at 12:37, Hammo said:

Even then, if you recall, we went a goal down and were utterly dreadful in the first half.

 

Puel has repeatedly proved himself incapable of masterminding a convincing 90-minute performance at home to a team that set out to defend. His tactics fail time and time again yet he stubbornly, arrogantly persists with them - one isolated, double-marked striker; cautious, harmless circulation of the ball from side to side; no incision or quick one-twos through the middle; endless aimless crosses into a hive of big, aerially-dominant defenders (including corners); two or three shots on target per game max!

 

We must be the easiest team in the Premier League for visiting sides to defend against because... we are so bloody ponderous and predictable.

 

And until or unless Puel acknowledges and addresses that, we will continue to struggle in these games.

 

The other option of course is we stop tolerating his ineptitude and get rid of him.

Ineptitude is right, everything you mention here shows a man who has no clue about how to coach a side to score goals.

 

Management is not just about organising a team and sorting a defence, that's only half of it, once that's done you have to ensure your side are able to attack dangerously and effectively which requires a degree of creative thinking. Since Puel prefers a slow tempo because of his caution we need guile to break teams down and he hasn't the first idea how to do so against Premier League defences.

 

If he hadn't inherited a counter attacking team we'd have no threat whatsoever, and even though he was brought in to make us play a different style all he has done is 'introduce' slow passing far away from the opponent's goal. Clearly he's not the man for the job. If we're keeping him on, keep him on as defence coach and get a new manager in please.