Dorkingfox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 59 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: We’re 8th in a bang average division, bar the top 6 it’s pretty mediocre stuff, Puel is an average manager, doing an average job in an average league. His City stats confirm it P62 W23 D17 L22 If we had won four more home games against these average teams, we would be fifth!!!! And some of the games we should have won away, like Fulham, Palace and Brighton, we could be 4th, these are why fans get frustrated.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Holding midfielder s aren’t necessarily supposed to be creative ...... but when you are playing against ten and need a goal or two then just take them both off ......... his tactics second half yesterday were at best questionable and at worse naive ......... He took one of them off and the one he left on scored our goal Next!
Swalshed Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 hour ago, ScouseFox said: yeah pretty much. we are constantly told the whole point of puel is to make us possession based so we can break down teams sat deep, yet i’m not sure we’ve ever beaten a team who sits in against us since he was hired? like you said pretty much all of our wins are when we revert back to a style he supposedly doesn’t want to play, which really does beg the question what is the point of him being here? I believe Ndidi's goal yesterday is the holy grail. 8 or 9 passes made quickly, Southampton just watching couldn't get near it. A terrific goal against a packed defence. We just don't do it often enough.... yet. Can't afford to gift two goals to any team though. Shocking!
Hammo Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 5 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I guess its possible. But ive also considered Mendy and Ndidi have no creativity and we dont have any centre midfielders who are good enough to displace them. As ive said. If we go through another summer window and still havent fixed this issue I can confidently blame Puel. Right now its not obvious its his faul specifically, especially as we had this problem before he came After Man United - and, yes, a transfer window - we have Palace, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth and Newcastle at home, one after the other. Let's say we don't win any of those, or maybe just one of them. The case for keeping him in that instance would be indefensible. Trusting him with a full summer window would be a dereliction of duty. He needs to roll his sleeves up now, work his arse off and solve this. He's the boss. He picks the players. He tells them how to play. It's on him. No one else.
Corky Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 11 minutes ago, Dorkingfox said: If we had won four more home games against these average teams, we would be fifth!!!! And some of the games we should have won away, like Fulham, Palace and Brighton, we could be 4th, these are why fans get frustrated. But then you'd expect Man United to beat Brighton, Palace, Southampton, Wolves, West Ham so you'd add those points on to their total. You shouldn't expect our results to be significantly different whilst the others remain the same.
Finnegan Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 minutes ago, Swalshed said: I believe Ndidi's goal yesterday is the holy grail. 8 or 9 passes made quickly, Southampton just watching couldn't get near it. A terrific goal against a packed defence. We just don't do it often enough.... yet. Can't afford to gift two goals to any team though. Shocking! I was going absolutely nuts yesterday. We score by stopping just lumping in crosses and go round behind them. We then immediately go back to lumping in crosses. Unbelievable. The main thing I take from this is that, a year on, the players still don't know how to break down a side. In that situation, Man City would be probing around for a pass between the lines while we're just lumping it at two six five defenders wondering why it isn't working. This is my issue with Puel. Tactics. The idea that he's a passing possession manager is a myth, he isn't at all. He's got no idea how to coach a creative, attacking team. He's not Quique Setien, he's not Nuno Santo, he's not even Eddie Howe. He's a conservative manager, a defensive manager, he coaches tactically rigid, solid sides that keep the ball to be defensive and minimise risk. He doesnt commit bodies forward, he doesn't press high to win it back, he plays patiently organised, rigid football. Its Tony Pulis with a bit more ambition. People have this idea that eventually Puel will be given enough Maddisons that suddenly the tactical plan will make sense and we'll start passing it around like Barcelona. It's not going to happen, that isn't what his teams do and it's not what they've ever done. It's like Ghezzal all over again, the evidence was there in his former clubs but people stuck their fingers in their ears and insisted we be optimistic. We will never rip teams apart with incisive, creative passing moves under Puel. If we were ever going to, we'd see at least some indication of it now even if it occasionally failed while the players adjust. We don't because that's not how he works. Now if that's fine with you and you're happy with mid table and you're not bored by the football we currently play then god bless you, different Strokes, different folks. But if you're backing Puel because you think the way we play is going to change if he gets to sign some more players? Eh, I think you're in for a hell of a nasty surprise.
The People's Hero Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I was going absolutely nuts yesterday. We score by stopping just lumping in crosses and go round behind them. We then immediately go back to lumping in crosses. Unbelievable. The main thing I take from this is that, a year on, the players still don't know how to break down a side. In that situation, Man City would be probing around for a pass between the lines while we're just lumping it at two six five defenders wondering why it isn't working. This is my issue with Puel. Tactics. The idea that he's a passing possession manager is a myth, he isn't at all. He's got no idea how to coach a creative, attacking team. He's not Quique Setien, he's not Nuno Santo, he's not even Eddie Howe. He's a conservative manager, a defensive manager, he coaches tactically rigid, solid sides that keep the ball to be defensive and minimise risk. He doesnt commit bodies forward, he doesn't press high to win it back, he plays patiently organised, rigid football. Its Tony Pulis with a bit more ambition. People have this idea that eventually Puel will be given enough Maddisons that suddenly the tactical plan will make sense and we'll start passing it around like Barcelona. It's not going to happen, that isn't what his teams do and it's not what they've ever done. It's like Ghezzal all over again, the evidence was there in his former clubs but people stuck their fingers in their ears and insisted we be optimistic. We will never rip teams apart with incisive, creative passing moves under Puel. If we were ever going to, we'd see at least some indication of it now even if it occasionally failed while the players adjust. We don't because that's not how he works. Now if that's fine with you and you're happy with mid table and you're not bored by the football we currently play then god bless you, different Strokes, different folks. But if you're backing Puel because you think the way we play is going to change if he gets to sign some more players? Eh, I think you're in for a hell of a nasty surprise. Yep. But a lot of folk, for whatever reason, want to see that pan out for themselves and waste another year or so, whilst our top talent gets frustrated and moves on. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, fix it. Either Puel changes the way he's acted his entire career (unlikely) or he has to go. You're spot on though mate.
Stadt Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: he's not Nuno Santo Agree with the rest of the post but Wolves have the same problem as us, they can’t break a team down and Wolves fans get frustrated by how stubborn he is.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 5 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I was going absolutely nuts yesterday. We score by stopping just lumping in crosses and go round behind them. We then immediately go back to lumping in crosses. Unbelievable. The main thing I take from this is that, a year on, the players still don't know how to break down a side. In that situation, Man City would be probing around for a pass between the lines while we're just lumping it at two six five defenders wondering why it isn't working. This is my issue with Puel. Tactics. The idea that he's a passing possession manager is a myth, he isn't at all. He's got no idea how to coach a creative, attacking team. He's not Quique Setien, he's not Nuno Santo, he's not even Eddie Howe. He's a conservative manager, a defensive manager, he coaches tactically rigid, solid sides that keep the ball to be defensive and minimise risk. He doesnt commit bodies forward, he doesn't press high to win it back, he plays patiently organised, rigid football. Its Tony Pulis with a bit more ambition. People have this idea that eventually Puel will be given enough Maddisons that suddenly the tactical plan will make sense and we'll start passing it around like Barcelona. It's not going to happen, that isn't what his teams do and it's not what they've ever done. It's like Ghezzal all over again, the evidence was there in his former clubs but people stuck their fingers in their ears and insisted we be optimistic. We will never rip teams apart with incisive, creative passing moves under Puel. If we were ever going to, we'd see at least some indication of it now even if it occasionally failed while the players adjust. We don't because that's not how he works. Now if that's fine with you and you're happy with mid table and you're not bored by the football we currently play then god bless you, different Strokes, different folks. But if you're backing Puel because you think the way we play is going to change if he gets to sign some more players? Eh, I think you're in for a hell of a nasty surprise. Good post and most would agree. Also the view of Southampton long time supports i spoke to. Theres a lot of Myths surrounding Puel. He has done himself no favours over the past couple of days in the media. 'Not my concern,Not my concern, Not my concern,'
VLC86 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 hours ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said: Think it is actually, it's banned at our training ground Unless followed by the word sideways of course.
Finnegan Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 7 minutes ago, Stadt said: Agree with the rest of the post but Wolves have the same problem as us, they can’t break a team down and Wolves fans get frustrated by how stubborn he is. Probably true, I was looking for mid table examples and he sprung to mind. I'm not suggesting either of those three are better managers than Puel, by the way. Let's be clear, Puel is a league winning manager, as was Mourinho who dominated Europe for a spell playing almost exactly the same philosophy as Puel. I'm not saying Puel is inherently a failure because he's conservative, you can be a defensive manager and succeed and you can be an attacking manager and fail. But where as Nuno definitely is an attacking, creative minded manager who might be struggling at the moment, Puel still is a defensive, organised, solid coach with a very rigid tactical plan. That's the part people need to accept. That the way we're currently playing IS the players getting it, this IS his vision, there isn't more to come tactically. It may become more successful with better players but it won't ever be more creative, more attractive or more attacking because what you currently see IS Puel's philosophy. There's this myth that we play the way we do because the players we have aren't good enough for possession football. It's rubbish, we play the way we do because it's how his teams play.
Crispin LA Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 If our good players aren't going to fit in Puel's system or don't like his style they are not going to progress and will eventually move to other clubs
themightyfin Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 I think a lot of people are forgetting he is having to cope without Mahrez this season. That is going to take a huge amount of attacking flair from most Premier league teams. Yes you could argue he could have replaced him better in the summer and I know the club desperately did try but truth is nobody realistically near his quality would have come to us he's one of the best we ever had. We are clearly a in transition and clearing the deadwood and freeing up places and wages to improve the squad in the summer is what everyone wanted! As for people moaning we had 3 defensive midfielders yesterday must have been watching a different game to me. Hamza was clearly not deployed as a defensive midfielder. I Say it time and time again we are going with a very young side and young players are inconsistent. Only match day experience will make them better and plenty are going to get that this season while we are in a comfortable position in the table is this not the best time to play them? We are planting the seeds and the future is bright. Too many fans have been spoilt with success these last few years. Believe me it's a great time to be a City fan. We are in one of if not the most successful periods in our history. Enjoy it!
smr Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 What pissed me off yesterday was all the crossing we tried, a lot of it wayward, but if it did land in their area they'd head it away. Crossing the ball into vardy to head is a total waste of bloody time. When was the last time he scored a header?
themightyfin Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 These Puel outers are more boring than his football IMO.
Dames Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 22 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Probably true, I was looking for mid table examples and he sprung to mind. I'm not suggesting either of those three are better managers than Puel, by the way. Let's be clear, Puel is a league winning manager, as was Mourinho who dominated Europe for a spell playing almost exactly the same philosophy as Puel. I'm not saying Puel is inherently a failure because he's conservative, you can be a defensive manager and succeed and you can be an attacking manager and fail. But where as Nuno definitely is an attacking, creative minded manager who might be struggling at the moment, Puel still is a defensive, organised, solid coach with a very rigid tactical plan. That's the part people need to accept. That the way we're currently playing IS the players getting it, this IS his vision, there isn't more to come tactically. It may become more successful with better players but it won't ever be more creative, more attractive or more attacking because what you currently see IS Puel's philosophy. This is absolutely spot on. In essence Puel is just a Wish.com version of Mourinho. If you swaped Mourinhos tendency to blame his players publically for Puels preference for youth, everything else Puel does is a budget version of Mourinho. The problem is that Puel isn’t overly succeeding. We have squandered great opportunities in the cups due to his tactics and we are currently on course for a mid table finish with the manager telling us to lower expectations. These aren’t the signs of manager who wants to succeed, just a manager thats happy to not take risks and sit comfortably in the middle of the pack. In recent years the cups have become more attainable for teams like us as the big teams dont take them as seriously until the latter stages - if they get there. There is no excuse not to be at least trying for a domestic cup.
Dames Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 5 minutes ago, themightyfin said: These Puel outers are more boring than his football IMO. Could say the same about the people who blindly support him and put down anyone who dares question him regardless if that questioning is balanced or not.
st albans fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 hour ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: He took one of them off and the one he left on scored our goal Next! wasn’t particularly creative though ........ we didn’t need a holding midfielder who isn’t quick to move the ball on ....... ... did we have one on the bench ?? still think he needed to think outside the box ...... and he isn’t the type of manager to do that .....
PAULCFC Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 hour ago, shade said: fair assessment, I think that’s what makes it more frustrating, we’re not that far from it all falling in to place A certain Mr Phillips is available!( as an attacking coach).
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 minutes ago, st albans fox said: wasn’t particularly creative though ........ we didn’t need a holding midfielder who isn’t quick to move the ball on ....... ... did we have one on the bench ?? still think he needed to think outside the box ...... and he isn’t the type of manager to do that ..... Do we have one in the squad??
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 14 minutes ago, Dames said: Could say the same about the people who blindly support him and put down anyone who dares question him regardless if that questioning is balanced or not. Is it "questioning" to call to sack the manager all the time? Nobody thinks he's the next Guardiola
Ian Nacho Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 We can't be reliant on getting results on the likes of Man City and Chelsea. If we had lost those we'd be one win in seven.
st albans fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Do we have one in the squad?? Don’t think so .......... funnily enough mendy is able to do it but he was so damaged by half time yesterday, he had to be hooked. Concerned how physically poor he looked yesterday .........a holding midefileder has to be strong enough to ‘hold’ ....
lcfcsnow Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Concerned how physically poor he looked yesterday .........a holding midefileder has to be strong enough to ‘hold’ .... Lets be honest he's a poor player who's only returned to the squad because Puel knows him from Nice.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Don’t think so .......... funnily enough mendy is able to do it but he was so damaged by half time yesterday, he had to be hooked. Concerned how physically poor he looked yesterday .........a holding midefileder has to be strong enough to ‘hold’ .... So do we agree its a hole in the squad and we need to bring someone in in the summer?
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