La-li-lu-le-lo Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 31 minutes ago, Dr Marco said: Puel's got a good goalkeeper, two great international fullbacks, one very solid centreback with Maguire, two quality CM with Mendy, N'Didi, one very promising creative player with Maddison and a (although getting old) a very good striker with Vardy ...and still he can lose at home against shit teams.... PUEL OUT! Mendy and N’didi at the moment are very ordinary. Both have more weaknesses than strengths, which is why both do not work together, finding the right balance in midfield is one of his biggest issues.
Blanchflower78 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 16 minutes ago, Paddy. said: ....and this is why the guy can't win. Didn't say anything about personnel? It's his style he can't change, we treat cardiff the same as Man City. Absolutely no added desire or impetus to win a game regardless of opposition. Look at our record against mid/lower teams.
chapero82 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 10 minutes ago, LinekersApples said: He can’t win. A lot of our fans are knobs. Get rid and bring in the next scapegoat. Oh look another Puel making insults because they think they are better than everyone else! Tell me this how can French reporters tell us this his style, Southampton fans warned us, and many Leicester fans too? But we we are all so wrong but you are right with 0 evidence???
davieG Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 3 minutes ago, Dames said: See the difference is the top 5/6 teams will change teams around from wins against the likes of Cardiff and Huddersfield. They also have the benefit of having good squad depth whereas we do not. You won’t see them changing their starting 11s much between games against their biggest rivals however. We aren’t a top 5/6 club and i dont believe for 1 second we have the god given right to be one. But as a smaller team with a squad packed with less quality why are you going to change it and risk upsetting the balance after 2 fantastic wins against top opposition? At least let them get to 4-5 positive results before introducing incrimental changes. Because the opposition play in a completely different way. You should have your debate with those that say 'why do we play 3 defensive midfielders against the likes of Cardiff' The same 3 defensive midfielders we just won with against top 6 teams that you don't want us to change.
Blanchflower78 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 30 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Except we played a different setup vs Cardiff than Man City, one he then got slated for because "don't change muh winning team". So, which is it? Changing depending on who we're playing against, or too inflexible? Your misleading people. His style/approach doesn't change. Not concerned with personnel change, that's sensible where needed.
AjcW Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 18 minutes ago, LinekersApples said: He can’t win. A lot of our fans are knobs. Get rid and bring in the next scapegoat. Probably the best way of putting it to be fair. He's just too divisive which, whether us Puel in lot like it or not, isn't good for the club whether we are 7th in the league or 17th. As we've said before, we can't sack all the players (although perhaps 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' would be more apt than boos directed at a manager currently)... so therefore as you say.... on to the next scapegoat! Sad really, the approach to give young players a chance will pay off once the old guard are fully shifted... sacking now might set us back a couple of seasons on that plan. This whole saga is our very own Brexit... summed up by quotes like the above "Oh look another Puel in making insults because they think they are better than everyone else!" you could literally change 'Puel in' to 'Remainer' and no one would know the difference!!
siraaj_lcfc Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Claude Puel doesn't have a Problem. Claude Puel IS THE PROBLEM
siraaj_lcfc Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 also why was i restricted to posting yesterday. Couldn't voice my outrage at pooel
hamptonfox Posted 13 January 2019 Author Posted 13 January 2019 Claude Puel Premier League Manager Southampton 2016/17. Home Record. Won 6 Drew 6 Lost 7 Points 24 Home Game record 17th best that season, one place off relegation. Southampton Away Form 6-4-9, 7th best in the Division. This is near identical to what he has done at Leicester over the last calendar year. Question: DOES CLAUDE PUEL KNOW HOW TO PLAY HOME GAMES IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE? Two years Stats for two different clubs, says NO he doesn't and he consistently produces near relegation form at Home. That, in a nutshell, is why the majority of fans of both clubs have never grown to like his football The diehard home and away fans probably give him more credit, because they see 6 or 7 away wins a year, which on its own is top 8 form.
Tielemans63 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 4 minutes ago, Blanchflower78 said: Didn't say anything about personnel? It's his style he can't change, we treat cardiff the same as Man City. Absolutely no added desire or impetus to win a game regardless of opposition. Look at our record against mid/lower teams. So how would you have changed the style but kept the personnel the same? Genuine question.
UniFox21 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 4 minutes ago, Blanchflower78 said: Your misleading people. His style/approach doesn't change. Not concerned with personnel change, that's sensible where needed. It does though? At the bigger teams we sat back more, allowed them to get into our half before we close down and try to break quickly. With smaller teams we press further up, spend longer periods in possession trying to break down via passes through the lines.
murphy Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 28 minutes ago, Dames said: The oldest rule in football is dont change a winning team unless you absolutely have too. A team thats coming off the back of 2 really good wins are going to be high on confidence but then suddenly some of them are dropped and things are jigged around and they lose that confidence and momentum. He made the mistake of changing a team that had just beating last 2 seasons previous champions and upsetting the dropped players that played well in those games. Hes then panicked and reverted back to that team after a really poor performance and loss hoping something would stick but at this point all confidence and momentum has been lost. Yesterdays selection was that of a desperate and clueless man. That's just not true in the modern era. In December we had a crazy schedule, rotation is necessary, everyone does it.
Nick Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 21 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: People kept clamouring for the 433 against all teams. He cant win I’m not sure clamouring is correct. People just perhaps don’t want to see any more 4231! I was pleased he went 433 yesterday though I hoped they’d be trying to play it higher up the pitch and in the second half the possession was good but with 3 defensive mids and later only two we just don’t have anything in midfield to make either of his systems work beyond counter attacking fast break football. It’s really sad but unless the manager comes up with players to make this work or a different approach / philosophy he’s a dead man walking.
weller54 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 21 minutes ago, LinekersApples said: He can’t win. A lot of our fans are knobs. Get rid and bring in the next scapegoat. Totally agree!..... ...with your first three words.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 This thread title is like a daily mail headline. Probably displays the mentality of the OP.
Blanchflower78 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Choudhury, mendy and ndidi provide decent protection when up against better sides. That's fine, it's served us well by and large. However, as a home side when up against weaker sides there is an onus to be on the front foot. You have home advantage, 30k fans supporting you and a pitch you know well. This is where the problem lies. We carry no threat, have 1 recognised striker of note whom both he and we as supporters know is not comfortable with this style. That doesn't mean you change to appease him but with no quality or trust to add it's as good as it gets. The KP has served us well over the years, many citing it as a difficult place to go whoever you are. The threat has gone from us, a style has squeezed out our intent to 'want' to be the dominant side. Not an anti Puel rant just common sense.
Suzie the Fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 5 hours ago, siraaj_lcfc said: also why was i restricted to posting yesterday. Couldn't voice my outrage at pooel And there Sir is the answer to your question.
Dames Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 9 minutes ago, davieG said: Because the opposition play in a completely different way. You should have your debate with those that say 'why do we play 3 defensive midfielders against the likes of Cardiff' The same 3 defensive midfielders we just won with against top 6 teams that you don't want us to change. Then he needs to let the hand brake off. Ndidi and Hamza are perfectly able to press the opposition as they both have great energy. Instead he’ll pick them against Southampton at home and instruct them to be patient and stand off. There was nothing wrong with yesterdays selection initially - it would have worked if 2 of the CMs were allowed to press high but instead as usual its the instructions that are wrong not the personnel. Hamza did some pressing but I think thats because hes not fully beaten down by Puelball yet, many times he was further up the field and pressing more than Vardy and that shouldnt have been the case. There was plenty of energy in that starting line up yesterday but the manager has handicapped them with his tactics. A good manager can keep the same 11 and formation but have them set up differently.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 38 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: Very true, but fortunately it's overall results that decide where you finish. In which case if you were just measuring it on purely stats, whatever you may think of him, in the league he's very successful. To our owners, football is a business and staying in the league is paramount, not merely keeping fans happy and playing entertaining football. In realty, I'm sure Top like us wants both doesn't he. I don't see him at this mid season point throwing the baby out with the bathwater simply to provide entertainment. At the end of the season they may well take stock but when yesterday's opponents come to mind they'll be very careful I think. The business model comes first, not the fans. How do you define Puel as being very successful? P62 W23 D17 L22
ScouseFox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 when you look at who those games were against as well it becomes really depressing. cardiff, burnley, newcastle, stoke, swansea, west ham (twice) southampton (twice) and probably a load of other garbage teams have all come here and not been beaten, with a decent chunk of them taking wins. there is something hella wrong with our home form.
foxinsocks Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 15 minutes ago, Paddy. said: I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong. I'm making the point that according to some fans he's useless and should go because he changes a winning team and then he's getting it from another section of the fans because apparently he's too stupid to tailor his tactics for the different teams we face each week. Like I say, the guy can't win. But he doesnt win games he should.. so literally... he cant win! This is for a number of reasons ... some if them down to Claude's decisions which he could change (these include the choices that you say he cant win) ... and some are down to his character... which will be hard or impossible for him to change... and these include his ability to level with fans and encourage and inspire us to join his bus. ...and to inspire abd motivate hus players (I ve a hunch that yesterdays half time was more about making an example of mendy than solving our goal famine. ) Lastly there is a mismatch between his aim to be a solid mid table side and the yearning within the fans for flair excitement and dreams .... so he is critised and can't win as fans seek logic to back up their emitional judgement
Farrington fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 58 minutes ago, Dr Marco said: Puel's got a good goalkeeper, two great international fullbacks, one very solid centreback with Maguire, two quality CM with Mendy, N'Didi, one very promising creative player with Maddison and a (although getting old) a very good striker with Vardy ...and still he can lose at home against shit teams.... PUEL OUT! I would question your assessment of Mendy, frankly.
Dames Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 3 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: when you look at who those games were against as well it becomes really depressing. cardiff, burnley, newcastle, stoke, swansea, west ham (twice) southampton (twice) and probably a load of other garbage teams have all come here and not been beaten, with a decent chunk of them taking wins. there is something hella wrong with our home form. Its quite simple. Those teams whilst not all of them have great managers they have managers that at least know how to be flexible with their game plans game to game. We do not. To beat Leicester its quite simple because of how stubborn Puel is, he is not going to change his style of play so all an opposition manager has to do is adapt to that accordingly. Puel on the otherhand no matter the opposition will always set his team up to contain, be patient, stand off and dont over commit. Its always reactive, its always lets see how the other team plays first so we can stop them, too much safety. By this point usually the opposing team has either got a goal or imposed themselves on the game and we are stuck reacting to that. All the bloke needs to do is change it up a bit and just let the players commit, so what it they make mistakes? Players make mistakes anyway, it would be no more than the mistakes we are making now. He’s too focused on cutting out mistakes and being safe he forgets that you have to take risks to win games.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Assuming they’ll be no new signings his last throw of the dice is to bring Barnes back. If he is aware of how Harvey style that tore a new ass out championship defences and plays to that there’s some hope. Imo Worring though as Vardy used to pre Puel Harvey for Mendy advanced midfielder
funkyrobot Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr Marco said: Puel's got a good goalkeeper, two great international fullbacks, one very solid centreback with Maguire, two quality CM with Mendy, N'Didi, one very promising creative player with Maddison and a (although getting old) a very good striker with Vardy ...and still he can lose at home against shit teams.... PUEL OUT! Our CM Team is pretty average for the two premier league tbf
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