Puel's BIG problem is obvious. His HOME results are RELEGATION results

[Ian Nacho]

Didn't beat any of the relegated sides at home that got relegated last season. Stoke, WBA and Swansea. All draws. 8 teams out of the 10 teams in the bottom half currently we've failed to beat this season. 

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

So do we agree its a hole in the squad and we need to bring someone in in the summer?

we can't keep giving him time if the players he has brought in or think will do a job are slated and are shit by his own backers (Ghezzal, Mendy, Diabate) the only positive signing Puel has made is Ricardo, Maddision we would have got whether he was here or not.

 

So what makes you think he will be able to bring in a player that is going to add something to the attack if he is asking them to sit anyway.

 

 

[Shaggy]

Hope we ain't going back to the David Pleat days !!!

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

9 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

we can't keep giving him time if the players he has brought in or think will do a job are slated and are shit by his own backers (Ghezzal, Mendy, Diabate) the only positive signing Puel has made is Ricardo, Maddision we would have got whether he was here or not.

 

So what makes you think he will be able to bring in a player that is going to add something to the attack if he is asking them to sit anyway.

 

 

He didnt bring Mendy in and CM is the position we're talking about

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

He didnt bring Mendy in and CM is the position we're talking about

that's why I said or think will do a job ala Mendy... he has persisted with him and Nididi all season when other more attacking options have been available (Iborra, Silva)

 

 

[coolhandfox]

For me it not about who plays, or the style of football, or what formation, its about attitude and tempo.

 

As an away team you first job is to keep it tight and quite the home support, we are so passive at the start of every home game, we don't force the issue, we don't put them under pressure, it far to easy for the away team.

 

[Foxaholic ME]

3 hours ago, hamptonfox said:

Claude Puel Premier League Manager Southampton 2016/17.

 

Home Record.

Won 6

Drew 6

Lost 7

Points 24

 

Home Game record 17th best that season, one place off relegation.

 

Southampton Away Form  6-4-9, 7th best in the Division.

 

This is near identical to what he has done at Leicester over the last calendar year.

 

Question: DOES CLAUDE PUEL KNOW HOW TO PLAY HOME GAMES IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE?

 

Two years Stats for two different clubs, says NO he doesn't  and he consistently produces near relegation form at Home.

 

That, in a nutshell, is why the majority of fans of both clubs have never grown to like his football  The diehard home and away fans probably give him more credit, because they see 6 or 7 away wins a year,  which on its own is top 8 form.

Agree  win a majority of points at home the majority who  go to no more than 3 or 4 away games are reasonablly happy reverse the process and get discontent

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

How do you define Puel as being very successful?

 

P62 W23 D17 L22

 

By position in the table. He inherited one hell of a problem and we were in danger of being relegated. You can produce as many stats as you wish, for or against him as they are all relative to what other teams are doing at the time. Do you not recall us being relegated with an almost record number of points gained?

 

It's not about conveniently plucked out of the air stats to suit whatever cause we may want, it's where you finish in the table that ultimately matters,  particularly if your the owner of a multi million pound company! Even with Southampton, he finished 8th with a  cup final. They've done brilliantly since they sacked him. From near relegation where did we finish last year and where are we now? 

 

I'm  far from happy too, but as the man himself said and also Pearson alluded to, we have to be realistic. There's lots I disagree with but what could you honestly and realistically expect with the crap he inherited, whilst simultaneously  the club is trying to sort out and change the way we play and alter the transfer structure policy they are now trying to adopt.

 

Entertainment I'm afraid realistically comes way down the list in that lot. I and most of us I would suggest don't like it, but hopefully it will change. There are more important agendas to hand at the moment and owners have to be more long sighted than fans.

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

we can't keep blaming the players, slow starts come from the manager and what he wants them to do 

Despite him specifically labelling the slow starts an issue? Obvious he doesn't want us starting slow

[bfox]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Despite him specifically labelling the slow starts an issue? Obvious he doesn't want us starting slow

If thats right then he has communication problems with the players

[Leicester_Loyal]

The tempo of our football is just so slow, I never feel like we're going to score or even produce a quick attack.

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, bfox said:

If thats right then he has communication problems with the players

Or the players need to take responsibility and put the game plan into practice? 

[bfox]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Or the players need to take responsibility and put the game plan into practice? 

The players obviously have the ability to turn it up in spells, namely when were behind and have no choice but to go for it. So why would they just not do it at the start? Highly doubt they just chose not to. Maybe they are just as confused as we are when they get the ball. 

[Corky]

13 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

The tempo of our football is just so slow, I never feel like we're going to score or even produce a quick attack.

There were no excuses for that yesterday, they had time and space to create situations on both sides. The players, for some reason (and it can't be a fear of the manager) took to playing risk-free football against a team with no intention of getting out of their half, let alone attacking.

 

Maybe Geoff can answer this but what style of play do the players want to adopt? If this isn't suiting them, what will?

[Leicester_Loyal]

7 minutes ago, Corky said:

There were no excuses for that yesterday, they had time and space to create situations on both sides. The players, for some reason (and it can't be a fear of the manager) took to playing risk-free football against a team with no intention of getting out of their half, let alone attacking. 

 

Maybe Geoff can answer this but what style of play do the players want to adopt? If this isn't suiting them, what will?

It's very strange, because we occasionally do have a quick attack which produces good results e.g. the Vardy + Albrighton combo to get Maddisons goal from the edge of the box a few weeks back was a quick counter and it was a great goal.

[AjcW]

The wolves comparison I’ve seen in other threads is interesting, think it was Gary Neville who said the other week that the reason they win against the big teams is because they feel they should be playing for those teams and not against them. 

 

Weve got Kasper, Maguire, Chilwell, Ricardo, N’didi, Maddison and Vardy in our starting line up who could quite easily fall into that mindset... and I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought like that. 

 

For the England lads as soon as you’ve had that international taste and been around the Manchester lads I bet it’s easy for your attitude towards your own club to change. 

 

Wouldnt be surprised if a bit of that was creeping in, would explain a lot of our results and the difference in intensity in games against the top 6

[SixtiesFox]

The majority of the posters on this thread seem to understand why Puel must go. The arguments put forward, supported by some pretty strong facts and statistics, are compelling, while the minority cling to the view that we are mid table 7 - 13th, so be careful what you wish for. Once Puel brings in the right personnel we'll push on. And so the debate goes on. But what about our owners. They are clearly successful and ambitious businessmen and inevitably they'll be asking the question - is Puel the right man to realize their ambitions? I think it likely that they have already made their decision but have the luxury of mid-table safety to take their time to find a replacement.  

[Dames]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Or the players need to take responsibility and put the game plan into practice? 

The game plan is already in practise. What we see is what Puel wants from his teams tactically - it was the same at Southampton and also in France. He’s had a year to get his message across and this is it. 

 

Finnegan made an excellent post earlier in this thread that covers this point. 

[Legend_in_blue]

They say don't make a rod for your own back.  Puel did this a while ago tbf.

 

They also say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  Well, this needs no explanation.

 

The guy just will not learn.  He will not adjust.  He's stuck in his ways and those ways point to mediocrity at best.

 

But it's ok.  He's still waiting to get all "his players" in. 

 

 

[FLAN]

7th in the league at the start of the game and yet full of errors and no clear game plan. Where is the confidence?  The team don’t look at all confident and that makes me wonder how the hell we are where we are?

[whoareyaaa]

4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

By position in the table. He inherited one hell of a problem and we were in danger of being relegated. You can produce as many stats as you wish, for or against him as they are all relative to what other teams are doing at the time. Do you not recall us being relegated with an almost record number of points gained?

 

It's not about conveniently plucked out of the air stats to suit whatever cause we may want, it's where you finish in the table that ultimately matters,  particularly if your the owner of a multi million pound company! Even with Southampton, he finished 8th with a  cup final. They've done brilliantly since they sacked him. From near relegation where did we finish last year and where are we now? 

 

I'm  far from happy too, but as the man himself said and also Pearson alluded to, we have to be realistic. There's lots I disagree with but what could you honestly and realistically expect with the crap he inherited, whilst simultaneously  the club is trying to sort out and change the way we play and alter the transfer structure policy they are now trying to adopt.

 

Entertainment I'm afraid realistically comes way down the list in that lot. I and most of us I would suggest don't like it, but hopefully it will change. There are more important agendas to hand at the moment and owners have to be more long sighted than fans.

You basing some of your argument on the fact Shaky finished 12th with us and then was sacked after 8 games so saying Puel saved us from relegation fodder is false.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

You basing some of your argument on the fact Shaky finished 12th with us and then was sacked after 8 games so saying Puel saved us from relegation fodder is false.

Forget the season before,  we were in the bottom 3 after some abject performances from a man that kept repeating his mistakes time after time seemingly being steered by the players who appeared problematic to the media, some supporters and possibly the owners. He was an abject apology for a manager with no experience and weak. As the BBC put it at the time:

"No credit in the bank, no track record - anything but a shock sacking".

 

As I said, it's business, it's where you are in the table when you're risking someone's multi million pound business. There'd be no room for sentiment or entertainment if it was your personal money would there. It's not a game or football manager, it's business. 

[whoareyaaa]

6 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Forget the season before,  we were in the bottom 3 after some abject performances from a man that kept repeating his mistakes time after time seemingly being steered by the players who appeared problematic to the media, some supporters and possibly the owners. He was an abject apology for a manager with no experience and weak. As the BBC put it at the time:

"No credit in the bank, no track record - anything but a shock sacking".

 

As I said, it's business, it's where you are in the table when you're risking someone's multi million pound business. There'd be no room for sentiment or entertainment if it was your personal money would there. It's not a game or football manager, it's business. 

8 games though Puel didn't save us from relegation which was my point, I actually agree with you on Shaky he was not up to the task of managing us and probably should have been replaced in the summer anyway, even though we made it to a Quatre final in the CL and 8 wins out of 16  I still think he shouldn't have been here after the end of that season but you can't say Puel saved us from relegation after 8 games at least 4 against the top sides.

 

Your talking about it being a business well when we drop further down the table we will lose a few more million and probably a player or two with a lot of unrest in the camp

[volpeazzurro]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

8 games though Puel didn't save us from relegation which was my point, I actually agree with you on Shaky he was not up to the task of managing us and probably should have been replaced in the summer anyway, even though we made it to a Quatre final in the CL and 8 wins out of 16  I still think he shouldn't have been here after the end of that season but you can't say Puel saved us from relegation after 8 games at least 4 against the top sides.

 

Your talking about it being a business well when we drop further down the table we will lose a few more million and probably a player or two with a lot of unrest in the camp

There is a lot of truth there. I do get fed up though of hearing about this player unrest however, if it's true it's been dogging us for a long time now and hopefully it's being addressed. If it's high profiles like Schmeichel and Vardy for example then bye bye to the both of them for me. This isn't Man United with a host of superstars as none of them are actually that special now and shouldn't hold sway over any manager. But ... I'm unconvinced of any bad feeling in the camp. I thought what Vardy came out and said recently was quite professional and positive. Chilwell also spoke in positive terms regarding himself and other younger players. Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, there's a lot of rumour and supposition that gets blown out of proportion by the media who have a living to make. As for Shakespeare, I think the writing was on the wall and if we'd continued for example, with the supposed counter attacking style without the players able to execute it then I do think Shakespeare would have got us relegated. He seemingly didn't have the nous or the guts to change it. Even Ranieri had acknowledged the problem but also struggled with the crop of players we had to change it. Puel did, but was quite unpopular for doing it. I'm not saying he's got it all right by any stretch of the imagination, but he did it nevertheless and got us into a decent position. 

[Dahnsouff]

Seems simple.

Home we suck, probably in part due to atmosphere, but recently the teams faced sit deep and we cannot break them down.

Away, teams come forward, we can then have space.

So, at home against such teams, play it wide, cut in Ricardo is good at this, Chillers less so, but do not cross and flood the edge of the box.

Away, all good as it stands.