MC Prussian Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 20 hours ago, baldeagle said: He used three Dm’s against Man City and two against Cardiff because everyone moaned about changing a winning side Eh? There's a difference between changing a winning side - your starting XI - and match instructions and game plans. I don't care whether people are whinging about putting out the same players every week or not, what I see on the pitch when it really matters is a bit of a disaster at times. A type of football that still is unspectacular, bland and boring, timid even, initiated through instructions by a manager who doesn't know whether we should still use counter attacks or play a more possession-based kind of football. He doesn't seem to know where our strengths are and doesn't help himself by adopting a system that emphasizes safety and a cautious approach in favour of more attacking displays. It's only logical that these decisions implemented at home in particular don't help endearing him to the majority of LCFC fans, or at least results in him dividing opinion like no other manager before him. That's just my two cents.
baldeagle Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 6 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Eh? There's a difference between changing a winning side - your starting XI - and match instructions and game plans. I don't care whether people are whinging about putting out the same players every week or not, what I see on the pitch when it really matters is a bit of a disaster at times. A type of football that still is unspectacular, bland and boring, timid even, initiated through instructions by a manager who doesn't know whether we should still use counter attacks or play a more possession-based kind of football. He doesn't seem to know where our strengths are and doesn't help himself by adopting a system that emphasizes safety and a cautious approach in favour of more attacking displays. It's only logical that these decisions implemented at home in particular don't help endearing him to the majority of LCFC fans, or at least results in him dividing opinion like no other manager before him. That's just my two cents. Not sure where’re your going with this, my post was in response to another poster saying Puel was a one trick pony who lines up the same against Man City and Cardiff and I pointed out they weren’t the same which they weren’t and that people moaned about him changing a winning side which they did .
MC Prussian Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 hour ago, baldeagle said: Not sure where’re your going with this, my post was in response to another poster saying Pue was a one trick pony who lines up the same against Man City and Cardiff and I pointed out they weren’t the same which they weenie and that people moaned about changing a winning side it which they did . The discussion surrounding fielding the same starting XI in succession, following the "never change a winning side" team motto, is a bit redundant in my eyes and certainly irrelevant to a particular point. Whether or not he fields the same players week in, week out has little to do with the way he sets up the team in terms of tactics and individual player instructions. I think it's here where we are lacking, coupled with too many players just not being present when it matters most. Puel confuses his own team with his talks, as mentioned a few times on here by other sources. And that confusion shows on the pitch.
Suzie the Fox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 16 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: They say don't make a rod for your own back. Puel did this a while ago tbf. They also say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Well, this needs no explanation. The guy just will not learn. He will not adjust. He's stuck in his ways and those ways point to mediocrity at best. But it's ok. He's still waiting to get all "his players" in. They also say 'the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence" and "better the devil you know"
Christoph Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Need Steve Howard back in the team if all we're going to do is cross the ball when we play at home.
MC Prussian Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Here's a French article from June 2017 that talks about Puel's sacking at Southampton: Quote Au-delà des résultats purs, c’est aussi le style de jeu déployé qui posait visiblement un problème. Avec seulement 41 buts marqués, Southampton présente la plus mauvaise attaque de la première moitié de tableau. Et c’est à domicile que c’est le plus flagrant puisque les hommes de Puel n’ont trouvé le chemin des filets qu’à 17 reprises, soit la 2e plus mauvaise attaque de Premier League à domicile. Criticized was the style of play under Puel and the poor home form in particular, with the Saints posing the least threatening attack in the upper half of the table. They only scored 17 times at home under his guidance that season, the second-worst home record in the entire league. http://www.footmercato.net/premier-league/pourquoi-southampton-a-limoge-claude-puel_204047 Sound familiar?
Babylon Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 22 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: we can't keep giving him time if the players he has brought in or think will do a job are slated and are shit by his own backers (Ghezzal, Mendy, Diabate) the only positive signing Puel has made is Ricardo, Maddision we would have got whether he was here or not. So what makes you think he will be able to bring in a player that is going to add something to the attack if he is asking them to sit anyway. What makes you think he's the one personally picking the players? Diabate is nothing but a punt on a young lad and Ghezzal a last minute panic.
whoareyaaa Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 minute ago, Babylon said: What makes you think he's the one personally picking the players? Diabate is nothing but a punt on a young lad and Ghezzal a last minute panic. I would imagine he's involved to an extent and responsible for (Ghezzal, Ricardo and Dibate) and it seems like he has recalled Mendy. I suspect the club is responsible for players like Ward, Maddison, Benkovic not sure about the Turkish lad.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Just now, whoareyaaa said: I would imagine he's involved to an extent and responsible for (Ghezzal, Ricardo and Dibate) and it seems like he has recalled Mendy. I suspect the club is responsible for players like Ward, Maddison, Benkovic not sure about the Turkish lad. Ricardo is one of our best signings in a while and one of the best additions to the PL this season I would say. He's also our best attacking player atm so if Puel has another window and gets to bring in another anything like that we'll be laughing
Dames Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Ricardo is one of our best signings in a while and one of the best additions to the PL this season I would say. He's also our best attacking player atm so if Puel has another window and gets to bring in another anything like that we'll be laughing Puel is currently halfway through a window and the signs are that we won't be making a signing like that if any signings at all despite glaring holes in the team/squad. I like your optimism but sadly I think its misplaced. I don't think Puel is several signings away from turning us into a team that attacks and scores goals freely I think no matter who he signs we'll still be playing this dull style of football because thats Puels way. He's had over a year to get his message across and this is it. No signings are going to change that and we certainly aren't going to be laughing. I'm worried that if he gets to the summer with this style we'll struggle to hold onto our best players. The football we play isn't ambitious, the manager isn't ambitious, the club disregards the cups so you have to question their ambition too, at this rate we'll just end up another Southampton, a team content to sell our best players and forever remain in transition but raking in those Premier League £££s.
whoareyaaa Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Ricardo is one of our best signings in a while and one of the best additions to the PL this season I would say. He's also our best attacking player atm so if Puel has another window and gets to bring in another anything like that we'll be laughing I agree with you its a class signing and we probably wouldn't have got him if it wasn't for Puel right? I also like Ghezzal and Mendy but he doesn't play Ghezzal enough even though its his own signing and shows signs of a good player and Mendy is being told to sit which probably isn't getting the best out of him or the team. It's not his acquisitions that concern me its more about the performances, results and management.
SonicBoom Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Saints fan here. When you appointed Puel I had some good discussions on here with you lot. Seems you are now at the same point we were. League position looks ok but the football is terrible to watch. Sideways passing, lots of possession, yet little end product. Sound familiar? That's followed by incomprehensible interviews where you try to discover what his plan was - only to be told you had "good possibilities". We heard that a thousand times. To top it off the experts and pundits think you should be grateful. Unless he's the manager of your team and you go watch it every week, you don't understand how dispiriting he is. I hope you get rid and get back to playing attacking football. Just don't do what we did and employ two utter numpties in a row afterwards. Our new guy has given the club fresh energy and his enthusiasm has united everyone, something we haven't had since Koeman.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 2 minutes ago, Dames said: Puel is currently halfway through a window and the signs are that we won't be making a signing like that if any signings at all despite glaring holes in the team/squad. I like your optimism but sadly I think its misplaced. I don't think Puel is several signings away from turning us into a team that attacks and scores goals freely I think no matter who he signs we'll still be playing this dull style of football because thats Puels way. He's had over a year to get his message across and this is it. No signings are going to change that and we certainly aren't going to be laughing. I'm worried that if he gets to the summer with this style we'll struggle to hold onto our best players. The football we play isn't ambitious, the manager isn't ambitious, the club disregards the cups so you have to question their ambition too, at this rate we'll just end up another Southampton, a team content to sell our best players and forever remain in transition but raking in those Premier League £££s. 2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: I agree with you its a class signing and we probably wouldn't have got him if it wasn't for Puel right? I also like Ghezzal and Mendy but he doesn't play Ghezzal enough even though its his own signing and shows signs of a good player and Mendy is being told to sit which probably isn't getting the best out of him or the team. It's not his acquisitions that concern me its more about the performances, results and management. I wouldnt dismiss your concerns outright. It is possible that we wont start to click going forward under Puel But I'm not sure I agree with this new world in which 1 year is enough to expect to see the best out of a manager's team. It surely takes time and several windows? I think the club is very ambitious it just knows a bit of patience is required at this particualar stage Puel might not be the be all and end all, but for now whilst we are safe and even better than safe, doing well in the league, I think the best thing for the club would be to back the current project and reassess in the summer I will be pissed off if we get rid of Puel and get someone underwhelming in. We are top half in the PL, if we are still there come the end of the season and we change manager the new guy better be a sexy fuchin option
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 3 minutes ago, SonicBoom said: Saints fan here. When you appointed Puel I had some good discussions on here with you lot. Seems you are now at the same point we were. League position looks ok but the football is terrible to watch. Sideways passing, lots of possession, yet little end product. Sound familiar? That's followed by incomprehensible interviews where you try to discover what his plan was - only to be told you had "good possibilities". We heard that a thousand times. To top it off the experts and pundits think you should be grateful. Unless he's the manager of your team and you go watch it every week, you don't understand how dispiriting he is. I hope you get rid and get back to playing attacking football. Just don't do what we did and employ two utter numpties in a row afterwards. Our new guy has given the club fresh energy and his enthusiasm has united everyone, something we haven't had since Koeman. Thanks for your input, but if you had watched us before Puel I dont know if you'd be saying we played attacking football
Happy Fox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 4 minutes ago, SonicBoom said: Saints fan here. When you appointed Puel I had some good discussions on here with you lot. Seems you are now at the same point we were. League position looks ok but the football is terrible to watch. Sideways passing, lots of possession, yet little end product. Sound familiar? That's followed by incomprehensible interviews where you try to discover what his plan was - only to be told you had "good possibilities". We heard that a thousand times. To top it off the experts and pundits think you should be grateful. Unless he's the manager of your team and you go watch it every week, you don't understand how dispiriting he is. I hope you get rid and get back to playing attacking football. Just don't do what we did and employ two utter numpties in a row afterwards. Our new guy has given the club fresh energy and his enthusiasm has united everyone, something we haven't had since Koeman. Hopefully Fonseca.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 4 minutes ago, SonicBoom said: Saints fan here. When you appointed Puel I had some good discussions on here with you lot. Seems you are now at the same point we were. League position looks ok but the football is terrible to watch. Sideways passing, lots of possession, yet little end product. Sound familiar? That's followed by incomprehensible interviews where you try to discover what his plan was - only to be told you had "good possibilities". We heard that a thousand times. To top it off the experts and pundits think you should be grateful. Unless he's the manager of your team and you go watch it every week, you don't understand how dispiriting he is. I hope you get rid and get back to playing attacking football. Just don't do what we did and employ two utter numpties in a row afterwards. Our new guy has given the club fresh energy and his enthusiasm has united everyone, something we haven't had since Koeman. And I do have this sneaking suspicion whenever you guys come on and say stuff like this.... are you trying to persuade yourself it was the right choice? Your club is in no good state since getting rid of Puel, and I know you just beat us, but you werent good. You were in fact a bit shit
bfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: And I do have this sneaking suspicion whenever you guys come on and say stuff like this.... are you trying to persuade yourself it was the right choice? Your club is in no good state since getting rid of Puel, and I know you just beat us, but you werent good. You were in fact a bit shit But we were even worse They just did what every club needs to do against us
FrankieADZ Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 12 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: And I do have this sneaking suspicion whenever you guys come on and say stuff like this.... are you trying to persuade yourself it was the right choice? Your club is in no good state since getting rid of Puel, and I know you just beat us, but you werent good. You were in fact a bit shit tbf Southampton have been a bit of a mess behind the scenes in recent years, and thats coming someone whos other half is a Southampton fan. they are slowly turning it round there but are not in the same state as they were 4/5 years ago on Puel, he needs to stop being so stubborn and change the home formation, Pearson did it in the great escape season and it worked a treat for us, hes got to swallow his own pride and admit it
SonicBoom Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Agreed. We are a bit shit. But to be fair that's an improvement because we have been utterly shit. We replaced Puel with Pellegrino who was clueless and then panicked and got Hughes. So things were going badly wrong. The new guy has managed to get us fighting and got some sort of organisation. We're not at the stage where we're starting to look pretty, but from the shambles we were, we don't really care. We just want to grab some points and get away from the relegation scrap hence we are more optimistic than we have been for a while. Has Hughes still been at the club there is no way we have taken those 3 points. What I was trying to say was that we do understand your frustrations perfectly. We were criticised by everyone for sacking Puel. How dare we expect our team to play something resembling attractive football. I don't buy it. If the quality of what you're watching doesn't matter then why not just stay at home and watch the gurning fools on soccer saturday instead.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 2 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said: tbf Southampton have been a bit of a mess behind the scenes in recent years, and thats coming someone whos other half is a Southampton fan. they are slowly turning it round there but are not in the same state as they were 4/5 years ago on Puel, he needs to stop being so stubborn and change the home formation, Pearson did it in the great escape season and it worked a treat for us, hes got to swallow his own pride and admit it He just changed the home formation and it didnt help at all. If he had stuck with his 4231 we might have got at least a bore draw on Saturday
Babylon Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said: tbf Southampton have been a bit of a mess behind the scenes in recent years, and thats coming someone whos other half is a Southampton fan. they are slowly turning it round there but are not in the same state as they were 4/5 years ago on Puel, he needs to stop being so stubborn and change the home formation, Pearson did it in the great escape season and it worked a treat for us, hes got to swallow his own pride and admit it He just did change the formation, to what many had been asking for and it stunk the place out. All I ever hear is how stubborn he is, then in the next breath he changes formations and the team too much. The football is toss, no gettin away from that. But some of the othe complaints I can't fathom.
That_Dude Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 19 minutes ago, SonicBoom said: Saints fan here. When you appointed Puel I had some good discussions on here with you lot. Seems you are now at the same point we were. League position looks ok but the football is terrible to watch. Sideways passing, lots of possession, yet little end product. Sound familiar? That's followed by incomprehensible interviews where you try to discover what his plan was - only to be told you had "good possibilities". We heard that a thousand times. To top it off the experts and pundits think you should be grateful. Unless he's the manager of your team and you go watch it every week, you don't understand how dispiriting he is. I hope you get rid and get back to playing attacking football. Just don't do what we did and employ two utter numpties in a row afterwards. Our new guy has given the club fresh energy and his enthusiasm has united everyone, something we haven't had since Koeman. It might have helped if you didn't sell your best players that season and lose Van Dijk because of an injury (against us).
Nicolo Barella Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 23 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: we can't keep giving him time if the players he has brought in or think will do a job are slated and are shit by his own backers (Ghezzal, Mendy, Diabate) the only positive signing Puel has made is Ricardo, Maddision we would have got whether he was here or not. So what makes you think he will be able to bring in a player that is going to add something to the attack if he is asking them to sit anyway. Maddison, who Puel personally called and convinced to come visit the grounds, was coming here anyway?
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 minute ago, That_Dude said: It might have helped if you didn't sell your best players that season and lose Van Dijk because of an injury (against us). Aye. Van Dijk seemed to transform that Liverpool back 4 from a leaky piece of s*** to one of the best defences in the league Conversely imagine what losing him could do to a team like Southampton
siraaj_lcfc Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 23 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: we can't keep giving him time if the players he has brought in or think will do a job are slated and are shit by his own backers (Ghezzal, Mendy, Diabate) the only positive signing Puel has made is Ricardo, Maddision we would have got whether he was here or not. So what makes you think he will be able to bring in a player that is going to add something to the attack if he is asking them to sit anyway. Mendy??? Weren't he already here?
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