Guest MattP Posted 28 January 2020 Share Posted 28 January 2020 36 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: "I'll wait for Survation, thanks..." In fact I'm still waiting for Survation's exit poll in the 2019 GE so there's still a good chance that Corbyn will win a majority The polls for the Welsh assembly will start very shortly, be interesting as the Tories for the first time must have a chance of topping the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 28 January 2020 Share Posted 28 January 2020 Any of our Labour members on here decided yet? We look to be in a three horse race for leader - Starmer to be looks like he's already got it assuming he doesn't completely cock everything up. Rayner looks to have the Deputy Leader lined up despite the "urgingforburgon" crossparty campaign. Ian Murray has really impressed me in that race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 28 January 2020 Share Posted 28 January 2020 4 hours ago, MattP said: Any of our Labour members on here decided yet? We look to be in a three horse race for leader - Starmer to be looks like he's already got it assuming he doesn't completely cock everything up. Rayner looks to have the Deputy Leader lined up despite the "urgingforburgon" crossparty campaign. Ian Murray has really impressed me in that race. Keith Vaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2020 Share Posted 29 January 2020 Shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 30 January 2020 Share Posted 30 January 2020 On 28/01/2020 at 18:17, MattP said: Any of our Labour members on here decided yet? We look to be in a three horse race for leader - Starmer to be looks like he's already got it assuming he doesn't completely cock everything up. Rayner looks to have the Deputy Leader lined up despite the "urgingforburgon" crossparty campaign. Ian Murray has really impressed me in that race. Not definitive yet, will watch at least 1 more hustings, but currently trending..... Leader: 1. Nandy, 2. Thornberry (if not eliminated), 3. Starmer Deputy: 1. Murray, 2. Rayner, 3. Allin-Khan (Wouldn't want to rank Long-Bailey, Burgon or Butler, based on what I've seen). Finally got a first chance to watch some of the last Deputy hustings. Burgon as expected (unimaginative Corbynite bonehead), Butler seemed weird, vacuous & incompetent, Allin-Khan not bad but a bit immature - too early for her? I wouldn't be too upset if it is Rayner, but wouldn't be massively inspired - intelligent & capable but unexceptional. First time I've listened to Murray & was impressed, even though I'm not a Blairite (he has that reputation): very articulate, strong command of policy detail, a lot of substance & thought-through answers but with pithy points, not waffle. His electoral record alone argues that he should be given serious consideration: only Scottish Labour MP elected in both 2015 & 2019....and in December, when no other Labour candidate got elected in Scotland, he managed an 11,000 majority. Even assuming favourable demographics & an anti-SNP vote in his seat, that suggests he's doing something very right as a campaigner/organiser....and grassroots campaign organisation has traditionally been a big part of the Deputy's role. Also, Labour really needs to bounce back in Scotland. Little sign of it yet, but by 2024 Boris might be unpopular & yet Sturgeon may have been First Minister for years, possibly with no sign of independence & Brexit a fait accompli......a Scottish Labour comeback might be more feasible than it currently seems, if the right people are leading the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2020 Share Posted 30 January 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Not definitive yet, will watch at least 1 more hustings, but currently trending..... Leader: 1. Nandy, 2. Thornberry (if not eliminated), 3. Starmer Deputy: 1. Murray, 2. Rayner, 3. Allin-Khan (Wouldn't want to rank Long-Bailey, Burgon or Butler, based on what I've seen). Finally got a first chance to watch some of the last Deputy hustings. Burgon as expected (unimaginative Corbynite bonehead), Butler seemed weird, vacuous & incompetent, Allin-Khan not bad but a bit immature - too early for her? I wouldn't be too upset if it is Rayner, but wouldn't be massively inspired - intelligent & capable but unexceptional. First time I've listened to Murray & was impressed, even though I'm not a Blairite (he has that reputation): very articulate, strong command of policy detail, a lot of substance & thought-through answers but with pithy points, not waffle. His electoral record alone argues that he should be given serious consideration: only Scottish Labour MP elected in both 2015 & 2019....and in December, when no other Labour candidate got elected in Scotland, he managed an 11,000 majority. Even assuming favourable demographics & an anti-SNP vote in his seat, that suggests he's doing something very right as a campaigner/organiser....and grassroots campaign organisation has traditionally been a big part of the Deputy's role. Also, Labour really needs to bounce back in Scotland. Little sign of it yet, but by 2024 Boris might be unpopular & yet Sturgeon may have been First Minister for years, possibly with no sign of independence & Brexit a fait accompli......a Scottish Labour comeback might be more feasible than it currently seems, if the right people are leading the way. Exactly the same nominations I'd be making in Nandy and Murray. I'd have Thornberry below even RBL though. Murray has impressed me whenever I've seen him, concise, honest and competent, the total opposite of people like Dawn Butler and Richard Burgon. Another thing he gets, as you can clearly see by his majorities - it's good to appeal to voters outside your core. Tories and Liberals are ticking his box as well. On the subject of Blarites, by the time of the next election no one born in the last 100 years will have won a majority for Labour who wasn't called Tony Blair. Edited 30 January 2020 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2020 Share Posted 30 January 2020 How do you manage to come to this conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 30 January 2020 Share Posted 30 January 2020 9 minutes ago, MattP said: How do you manage to come to this conclusion? Local loyalty rather than ideology? Burgon is an MP in Leeds.. A majority moderate membership with an element of loyalty to the local lad could explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 30 January 2020 Share Posted 30 January 2020 18 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Local loyalty rather than ideology? Burgon is an MP in Leeds.. A majority moderate membership with an element of loyalty to the local lad could explain it. I think his dad was also an MP up that neck of the woods. He was a thick twat as well if memory serves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desabafar Posted 31 January 2020 Share Posted 31 January 2020 Kier Starmer talking about keeping EU freedom of movement,they really aren't interested in the electorate are they 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 31 January 2020 Share Posted 31 January 2020 3 minutes ago, Desabafar said: Kier Starmer talking about keeping EU freedom of movement,they really aren't interested in the electorate are they I don't have any stats but I reckon the majority of the electorate want to keep their freedom of movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 31 January 2020 Share Posted 31 January 2020 3 minutes ago, Desabafar said: Kier Starmer talking about keeping EU freedom of movement,they really aren't interested in the electorate are they At the minute no, as they need to win an election within a party that contains (or did contain) around 250,000 of the barmiest political minds in the country. Once he's done that and won we will get a clearer direction. Tony Blair turned up at Sedgefield with a CND badge on to watch the football when that weird set of events occurred that led to him being chosen over Les Huckfield. (Although you could write a book on conspiracy theories around that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 31 January 2020 Share Posted 31 January 2020 (edited) If I have to hear anyone else tell me Keir Starmer is great cos he is smart and got to the top of his profession. It wouldn't be so bad if it was part of a suite of reasons but no that and being vocal 2nd reffer is literally the extent of the Starmer reasons. It's just not relevant to his ability as a politician. Tbh It sums up the problem with a distinct section of the modern left, mostly younger graduates tbh. Too busy wanking over credentials and experts that they completely miss what politics is mainly about, people and feeling. Edited 31 January 2020 by Kopfkino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 January 2020 Share Posted 31 January 2020 He would far the best choice, but I don't give a toss. It's a Party of losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 February 2020 Share Posted 3 February 2020 (edited) Oops http://news.sky.com/story/labours-rebecca-long-bailey-sorry-for-calling-man-with-brain-damage-a-practical-vegetable-11925656 Edited 3 February 2020 by Mike Oxlong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2020 Share Posted 4 February 2020 Tracy Brabin aka 'the slapper', anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkster the Fox Posted 4 February 2020 Share Posted 4 February 2020 I get the houses of Parliament has dropped the standards in recent years, but going to work there in a bin bag is a new low...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 4 February 2020 Share Posted 4 February 2020 So blokes are getting wound up about an MP showing her *checks notes* shoulder now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 4 February 2020 Share Posted 4 February 2020 22 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: I get the houses of Parliament has dropped the standards in recent years, but going to work there in a bin bag is a new low...... Burgon is either looking a bit creepy or he’s concentrating hard on not breaking wind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 8 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said: Burgon is either looking a bit creepy or he’s concentrating hard on not breaking wind Tracy, Hubba Hubba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 10 hours ago, Dirkster the Fox said: I get the houses of Parliament has dropped the standards in recent years, but going to work there in a bin bag is a new low...... It’s hardly the worst crime that’s happened in the House Of Parliament in the past 10 years. ......... and I’m a conservative (sort of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/low-public-awareness-all-labour-leadership-candidates-although-keir-starmer-starting-stronger This is an interesting survey, it shows that Starmer and Nandy are in a strong position with plenty of room to grow (positively or negatively) as they become more well known. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 On Brabin - certainly didn't deserve the abuse she's got bit please dress appropriately for such an important job - standards in parliament are slipping and I include JRM in that with his lounging on the benches. From what I've seen so far rebuilding this Labour party is a far bigger job than even I thought. Two of the Momentum candidates last time were Jared O'Mara and the other who ended up in prison, this year they somehow look even worse from what I've seen, Zarah Sultana refusing to vote Tories onto select committees, one of them used the maiden speech to talk about reparations for slavery, another basically spoke about nothing but austerity and then Palestine. Holding the government to account is supposed to be a forensic examination, whinging about colonisation and having Jess Phillips work herself up to the point of tears on food bank use isn't actually doing that. Self pity isn't going to win seats back. It's starting to look like a rabble of anti-British, angry students with a few old socialists thrown in with a sidelined section of maybe competant moderates. Whether it's Starmer, RBL or Nandy they've got to get a grip of this. This is more of a kinnock role than a Blair one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 (edited) Diane Abbott completely up on current affairs again Leaving aside the absurdity someone can't be bullied as they were in the services, it wasn't even what he said. Are Labour really that desperate to get Bercow in the HoL they are prepared to sink to this? Seems crazy to me. Edited 5 February 2020 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2020 Share Posted 5 February 2020 7 hours ago, MattP said: Diane Abbott completely up on current affairs again Leaving aside the absurdity someone can't be bullied as they were in the services, it wasn't even what he said. Are Labour really that desperate to get Bercow in the HoL they are prepared to sink to this? Seems crazy to me. Your so harsh on your fiance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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