Wasted Time

[davieG]

https://talksport.com/football/704526/premier-league-fans-var-how-much-cost-season-tickets-club/

 

VAR is costing Premier League fans across the country more than £2.7MILLION over a season, according to latest figures.

A study by Compare.bet using data provided by Opta has determined the use of a video referee cuts already slim playing times in the Premier League down by almost 90 seconds.

Premier League games with goals disallowed by VAR are shortened by a time of 1 minute and 24 seconds on average, meaning fans are getting less goals and less actual football for their money.

 

The average playing time of a Premier League game is just a mere 59 minutes and 54 seconds, meaning more than a third of the 90 minutes pay good money for actually offers no football whatsoever.

Using the data provided by Opta, Compare.bet made their calculations based on a season ticket being priced at £750, with the average attendance of 39,372 to determine their calculations.

Manchester City fans witness more in-play action than any other club in the country, averaging over an hour per game based on data used from the 2018/19 and 2019/20 seasons.

However, Everton and Southampton fans are unfortunate enough to barely just see more than 53 minutes per game.

 

Manchester City fans are treated to the most in-play action, but Everton and Southampton fans can feel hard done by

 

In terms of consistency, it is Burnley fans who have the most to feel aggrieved about as three of the five shortest in-play totals from this selected time period featured the Clarets.

At the other end of the spectrum, Liverpool fans are the safest bet for a good game. Since the start of the 2018/19 season, the Reds feature in three of the top five – even managing a whopping 69 minutes of action against Sheffield United in January 2020.

While the officials at Stockley Park have to take some blame, the on-pitch officials are not completely without fault.

Studies prove Lee Probert is involved in games averaging just 53 minutes – minuscule compared to the 58 minutes Andre Marriner averages.

 

During an official YouGov survey of 1,397 UK football fans at the start of May, 67% of fans wanted to see officials add on more time to compensate for lost in-play action.

As well as a stop clock as seen in the NFL or rugby, fans also suggested banning substitutions after 85 minutes, only allowing captains to speak to the referee, five minute sin-bins for time wasting and banning players from taking the ball to the corner flag to preserve leads.

 

 

 

 

I wonder if this loss of time includes the time wasted setting up free-kicks and virtually disallowing quick free kicks when in sight of the goal. One of the most irritating aspects of football now.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Wow, Cardiff really sucked the life out of games didn't they

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Wow, Cardiff really sucked the life out of games didn't they

Known as The Warnock Effect

[Gravel]

Survey doesn't mention that being a Spurs fan is a complete and utter waste of time with or without VAR.

[Guest]

Always been a bugbear of mine.

[sdb]

Can't wait for 5 subs to be introduced. 😳 We'll have fans leaving on 76 mins before long 

[jammie82uk]

12 minutes ago, sdb said:

Can't wait for 5 subs to be introduced. 😳 We'll have fans leaving on 76 mins before long 

Even if 5 subs is adopted in the premier league you can only make 3 stoppages in play to make the 5 subs including half time subs 

[jammie82uk]

38 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://talksport.com/football/704526/premier-league-fans-var-how-much-cost-season-tickets-club/

 

VAR is costing Premier League fans across the country more than £2.7MILLION over a season, according to latest figures.

A study by Compare.bet using data provided by Opta has determined the use of a video referee cuts already slim playing times in the Premier League down by almost 90 seconds.

Premier League games with goals disallowed by VAR are shortened by a time of 1 minute and 24 seconds on average, meaning fans are getting less goals and less actual football for their money.

 

The average playing time of a Premier League game is just a mere 59 minutes and 54 seconds, meaning more than a third of the 90 minutes pay good money for actually offers no football whatsoever.

Using the data provided by Opta, Compare.bet made their calculations based on a season ticket being priced at £750, with the average attendance of 39,372 to determine their calculations.

Manchester City fans witness more in-play action than any other club in the country, averaging over an hour per game based on data used from the 2018/19 and 2019/20 seasons.

However, Everton and Southampton fans are unfortunate enough to barely just see more than 53 minutes per game.

 

Manchester City fans are treated to the most in-play action, but Everton and Southampton fans can feel hard done by

 

In terms of consistency, it is Burnley fans who have the most to feel aggrieved about as three of the five shortest in-play totals from this selected time period featured the Clarets.

At the other end of the spectrum, Liverpool fans are the safest bet for a good game. Since the start of the 2018/19 season, the Reds feature in three of the top five – even managing a whopping 69 minutes of action against Sheffield United in January 2020.

While the officials at Stockley Park have to take some blame, the on-pitch officials are not completely without fault.

Studies prove Lee Probert is involved in games averaging just 53 minutes – minuscule compared to the 58 minutes Andre Marriner averages.

 

During an official YouGov survey of 1,397 UK football fans at the start of May, 67% of fans wanted to see officials add on more time to compensate for lost in-play action.

As well as a stop clock as seen in the NFL or rugby, fans also suggested banning substitutions after 85 minutes, only allowing captains to speak to the referee, five minute sin-bins for time wasting and banning players from taking the ball to the corner flag to preserve leads.

 

 

 

 

I wonder if this loss of time includes the time wasted setting up free-kicks and virtually disallowing quick free kicks when in sight of the goal. One of the most irritating aspects of football now.

Burnley Cardiff just over 42 mins is extremely poor 

just looking at the small print tho the data is over a 2 season period so strange why they only list the present 20 teams? 

[Nalis]

Playing devil's advocate here - I reckon teams if we introduced stop clocks, teams would manipulate it to get a easy breather if the balls goes out rather than rushing to get an equaliser/ winner.

 

Saying that, the current system definitely needs to be fixed.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

banning players from taking the ball to the corner flag to preserve leads.

You can't ban players from doing this whilst the ball is still in play unless you introduce a Gentlemanly Conduct Rule which would be beyond silly.

[Spudulike]

That has confirmed the suspicion of Burnley being the biggest time wasters. Their goal celebration last season must've been the longest on record.

 

Happens almost every game when a team gets in front their players go down 'injured' at every tackle, the keeper falls on the ball unnecessarily, free-kicks, goal kicks, corners, throw ins are all done in slow motion. How many times did we see subbed players leaving the pitch at the nearest point this season ?? Its become a pantomime. 

 

The most annoying thing is that officials let them get away with it. Players will always try for any advantage.

 

[StanSP]

That first paragraph is a bit of a joke as well. Clearly that person doesn't like VAR (fair, each to their own). Given it only reduces playing time, on average, by 90 seconds and then you look at the table for the amount of time ball is in play, it's a fairly negligible figure no? 

[sdb]

2 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Even if 5 subs is adopted in the premier league you can only make 3 stoppages in play to make the 5 subs including half time subs 

Ah thanks. Didn't know that. Looking forward to the creative time wasting strategies already!

[Alf Bentley]

4 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Wow, Cardiff really sucked the life out of games didn't they

 

 

 

[urban fox]

how many times do we see refs speaking to players (particularly keepers) for time wasting bit then do nothing about it. they certainly rarely add time on.

As with many aspects of the game, such as shirt pulling etc, until the refs actually start start to penalise players/teams, then it will not stop, Personally i would like to  see a rule brought in, that if a team deliberately wastes time, eg at a throw, they get a single warning and then the throw, kick or whatever is awarded to the opposing team. Of course there will always be interpretation as to what is deliberate time wasting, as opposed to say being able to find a colleague in space with a throw/kick etc.

There has been many calls for an independent timekeeper, but again there needs to be direct instruction from the games powers that be as to when the clock should and should not be stopped. Substitutions are a prime example. It is generally accepted that the ref should add 30 seconds minimum for each sub, yet the process can take far longer if the leaving player dawdles off etc. Surely it is not rocket science to simply stop the clock until play resumes?

Refs themselves could do a lot more also by not being so fussy around quick free kicks etc. Stopping a quick free kick simply passes advantage to the defending team by allowing them to get organised and teams know this, hence deliberately not retreating ten yards etc. All time from when the ref blows for the offence to when he signals for the kick to be taken should be added on. 

[Collymore]

 I swear some games we should have seen at least 10 minutes added on but for some reason they don't seem to ever go any higher than 4 minutes. 

 

Time wasting is definitely something that works and it's never added on because if you time waste or not you always seem to have the same 3 or 4 minutes added on in the end. 

 

I've seen games with 3 head injuries, 6 substitutions, VAR reviews and 5 goals where they add just 4 mins on.

 

The next game might be a 0-0 with 3 subs and very little stoppage for injuries VAR etc and again it's 4 minutes.

 

It makes absolutely no sense, I'm not sure whoever is responsible for it actually is watching the game but they aren't doing their job The refs are like robots and just execute the recommended minimum down to the second. 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

5 minutes ago, urban fox said:

how many times do we see refs speaking to players (particularly keepers) for time wasting bit then do nothing about it. they certainly rarely add time on.

As with many aspects of the game, such as shirt pulling etc, until the refs actually start start to penalise players/teams, then it will not stop, Personally i would like to  see a rule brought in, that if a team deliberately wastes time, eg at a throw, they get a single warning and then the throw, kick or whatever is awarded to the opposing team. Of course there will always be interpretation as to what is deliberate time wasting, as opposed to say being able to find a colleague in space with a throw/kick etc.

There has been many calls for an independent timekeeper, but again there needs to be direct instruction from the games powers that be as to when the clock should and should not be stopped. Substitutions are a prime example. It is generally accepted that the ref should add 30 seconds minimum for each sub, yet the process can take far longer if the leaving player dawdles off etc. Surely it is not rocket science to simply stop the clock until play resumes?

Refs themselves could do a lot more also by not being so fussy around quick free kicks etc. Stopping a quick free kick simply passes advantage to the defending team by allowing them to get organised and teams know this, hence deliberately not retreating ten yards etc. All time from when the ref blows for the offence to when he signals for the kick to be taken should be added on. 

...i am just as frustrated as you are regarding this!!!

The problem with all the suggestions is that the referee does not take responsibility in the administration of the game as he should. The use of VAR is a prime example as he abdicates all responsibility and is too happy to allow a third party to adjudicate.

  Referees are not strong enough and are a club which come together to protect each other. The amount of infringements that should be called and could be eradicated from the game if the ref had the courage to apply the law is endless.

   We do not need to change the rules, they are adequate as they are but unless the referee does his job as laid down by the F.A then we will continue to have this situation continually repeating itself.