leicsmac Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: That is a pretty bold statement. There is a lot of concern that these clinics are not doing nearly enough counselling and psychological review before they proceed with irreversible surgery on Children. I think you will be on the wrong side of history here. ....and there's more concern that trans folks are suffering (and in some case dying) from the mental strain caused by measures like this one. To say nothing of the hypocrisy of espousing all about "freedom" and then dropping stuff like this. Freedom for those demographics that "fit", no one else. Mind you, it's hardly the first time for that kind of thing, I just wish it was less prevalent in a supposedly more enlightened era. I guess time will tell on how history views all of this, but for me this is just another example of powerful people driven by ideology from a book of allegory abusing that power on those who have much less.
Jon the Hat Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: ....and there's more concern that trans folks are suffering (and in some case dying) from the mental strain caused by measures like this one. To say nothing of the hypocrisy of espousing all about "freedom" and then dropping stuff like this. Freedom for those demographics that "fit", no one else. Mind you, it's hardly the first time for that kind of thing, I just wish it was less prevalent in a supposedly more enlightened era. I guess time will tell on how history views all of this, but for me this is just another example of powerful people driven by ideology from a book of allegory abusing that power on those who have much less. Sometimes even the worst god botherers get it right, even if for the wrong reasons. 1
leicsmac Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 9 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Sometimes even the worst god botherers get it right, even if for the wrong reasons. Yeah, this isn't one of those times, unless abuse of power by the powerful against the powerless is somehow acceptable. You know the really bad thing? They cited a UK precedent (Bell v Tavistock) as a justification. How proud the UK must be.
Scotch Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 I just can't see how anyone can argue that children should be able to have such procedures. I'm all for trans rights and for everyone to live as the person they believe they are/in the body they feel best represents who they are but such things are so complex for most adults to comprehend, much less a child. That being said, the very definition of the word "abuse" is to misuse/use something for a bad purpose or treat with cruelty or violence. So I don't think parents who are watching as their children suffer with their very identity and are trying to help them by turning to such extreme measures fall under this category what so ever. 3
leicsmac Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 Just now, Scotch said: I just can't see how anyone can argue that children should be able to have such procedures. I'm all for trans rights and for everyone to live as the person they believe they are/in the body they feel best represents who they are but such things are so complex for most adults to comprehend, much less a child. That being said, the very definition of the word "abuse" is to misuse/use something for a bad purpose or treat with cruelty or violence. So I don't think parents who are watching as their children suffer with their very identity and are trying to help them by turning to such extreme measures fall under this category what so ever. TBH that's a much more nuanced way of putting things than I have used and much better. Thanks. 1
Jon the Hat Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 Just now, leicsmac said: Yeah, this isn't one of those times, unless abuse of power by the powerful against the powerless is somehow acceptable. You know the really bad thing? They cited a UK precedent (Bell v Tavistock) as a justification. How proud the UK must be. It is also about protecting the powerless - children, from societal pressure, overly fast affirmative surgical intervention, and irreversible harm.
leicsmac Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: It is also about protecting the powerless - children, from societal pressure, overly fast affirmative surgical intervention, and irreversible harm. Yes, I'm sure that these people have the best interests of children in mind, which is why they also might do something about guns in schools... ...oh no, wait, they just want to arm the teachers, instead. Forgive me for thinking that this is less about the best interests of a vulnerable group and more about power and control over another.
Wymsey Posted 24 February 2022 Posted 24 February 2022 The next council tax fees are agreed. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/leicester-council-tax-increase-highest-6713482
WigstonWanderer Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Never rains, but it pours in Australia No doubt the fossil fuel fanatics will still want to dig coal out of the ground as fast as possible though.
Sly Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 Saw this earlier on Twitter ….. What’s the obsession with eye brows being big. Am I getting old?
Jon the Hat Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 1 hour ago, Sly said: Saw this earlier on Twitter ….. What’s the obsession with eye brows being big. Am I getting old? I mean she looks like a nutter to me, but plenty of people do, and if it makes her happy who cares?
Leicesterpool Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 https://fb.watch/bx92MxzBLU/ cant believe this still goes on.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 5 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: https://fb.watch/bx92MxzBLU/ cant believe this still goes on. I cant think of anything worse, but then I wouldn't get in a boxing ring either. so that isn't a reason to ban it. They all seem to know why they are there and be up for it.
Leicesterpool Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: I cant think of anything worse, but then I wouldn't get in a boxing ring either. so that isn't a reason to ban it. They all seem to know why they are there and be up for it. It's just one big brawl, I think after a while they give up going after the ball and just to decide to fight each other. Did anyone see the gal with the big nails trying to scratch one of the safety guys in high fizz in the eye. Mind Atherstone is a wild place to be fair.
WigstonWanderer Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Shane Warne has died! https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/04/shane-warne-australian-cricket-legend-dies-aged-52
st albans fox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 17 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: https://fb.watch/bx92MxzBLU/ cant believe this still goes on. 11 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: I cant think of anything worse, but then I wouldn't get in a boxing ring either. so that isn't a reason to ban it. They all seem to know why they are there and be up for it. 4 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: It's just one big brawl, I think after a while they give up going after the ball and just to decide to fight each other. Did anyone see the gal with the big nails trying to scratch one of the safety guys in high fizz in the eye. Mind Atherstone is a wild place to be fair. When I lived in derby we used to go to Ashbourne for the shrove Tuesday game which is similar to atherstone but played between the two ends of the town. Many of those getting involved from out of town are too pissed to know what’s going on !
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2022 Posted 5 March 2022 38 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Did the Ukraine thread get too heated? I blame the Russians ….. 1
Sampson Posted 6 March 2022 Posted 6 March 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said: Did the Ukraine thread get too heated? No, there was just one guy being a Putin apologist and everyone else was rightly shutting him down for it. Absolutely no idea why the whole thread was deleted, all it would've took would've been banning the Russian bot, Edited 6 March 2022 by Sampson 1
Popular Post thursday_next Posted 6 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 6 March 2022 (edited) If the Ukraine thread has been removed because of the dispute between Line-X and MarshallForEngland then that is a great shame. I was enjoying that, Christ knows how the two of them managed to put all that effort into those posts, they didn't abuse each other, and they were both right in pointing out a lot of things that would have been instructive to other people. Every day FT is full of mindless posts by people who don't bother to think about what they are saying or are just plain moronic, but they don't get pulled. MarshallForEngland expresses the Russian point of view within certain limits. Somebody has to, otherwise the whole concept of free speech goes out of the window, and we are becoming just as bad as they are. If MarshallForEngland is capable of dealing with things in perhaps the way that's not countenanced within the frame of Western intellectual discourse, that's no reason to ban him. Ignore him, If you want, it's up to you. I get so tired of people trying to get other people banned. Edited 6 March 2022 by thursday_next late night grammar 9 1
st albans fox Posted 6 March 2022 Posted 6 March 2022 9 hours ago, thursday_next said: If the Ukraine thread has been removed because of the dispute between Line-X and MarshallForEngland then that is a great shame. I was enjoying that, Christ knows how the two of them managed to put all that effort into those posts, they didn't abuse each other, and they were both right in pointing out a lot of things that would have been instructive to other people. Every day FT is full of mindless posts by people who don't bother to think about what they are saying or are just plain moronic, but they don't get pulled. MarshallForEngland expresses the Russian point of view within certain limits. Somebody has to, otherwise the whole concept of free speech goes out of the window, and we are becoming just as bad as they are. If MarshallForEngland is capable of dealing with things in perhaps the way that's not countenanced within the frame of Western intellectual discourse, that's no reason to ban him. Ignore him, If you want, it's up to you. I get so tired of people trying to get other people banned. You’d get banned for that post on ‘Spartak Moscow talk’ ………
thursday_next Posted 6 March 2022 Posted 6 March 2022 14 minutes ago, st albans fox said: You’d get banned for that post on ‘Spartak Moscow talk’ ……… Thank God for that, trying to write all that stuff in Cyrillic would do my head in 1
leicsmac Posted 6 March 2022 Posted 6 March 2022 https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/02/25/after-brexit-nigel-farage-has-net-zero-in-his-sights Farage clearly feels that his work on destroying the future in the name of a rose-tinted past is not done, then. 1
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 March 2022 Posted 6 March 2022 5 hours ago, leicsmac said: https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/02/25/after-brexit-nigel-farage-has-net-zero-in-his-sights Farage clearly feels that his work on destroying the future in the name of a rose-tinted past is not done, then. I think it's a discussion that needs to happen, I don't think many are against the aims but the current plans will hurt the people who are already struggling even more.
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