Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 Have you ever known a worse team at dealing with it? We must be the easiest team in Europe to defend a lead against. 5 at the back is a problem with a simple solution. Play better wing backs when they return or change formation. A harder problem to solve is the tantrum our players seem to throw whenever we go behind. Arms flailing. Lack of urgency. Poor body language. Absolutely does my head. Utterly unprofessional and we won't do anything noteworthy unless we address the problem. We can't score first in every game. I can post this with 10 minutes to go such is the severity of the issue, in full confidence I won't be embarrassed by it.
Foxin_Mad Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 The mentality of this group of players is frankly terrible. When it come to needing to roll up sleeves and dig in, they all go missing. 1
when_you're_smiling Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 (edited) I mean, we came from behind three times five days ago. In the league we’ve twice won after going behind, and didn’t have time to do it against Villa. That’s probably more than most. Edit - Fourth best from losing positions actually - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/punktenachrueckstand/wettbewerb/GB1 Edited 30 November 2020 by when_you're_smiling 2 1
StanSP Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nod.E said: Have you ever known a worse team at dealing with it? We must be the easiest team in Europe to defend a lead against. 5 at the back is a problem with a simple solution. Play better wing backs when they return or change formation. A harder problem to solve is the tantrum our players seem to throw whenever we go behind. Arms flailing. Lack of urgency. Poor body language. Absolutely does my head. Utterly unprofessional and we won't do anything noteworthy unless we address the problem. We can't score first in every game. I can post this with 10 minutes to go such is the severity of the issue, in full confidence I won't be embarrassed by it. I don't understand this. We literally came from behind 3 times barely 4 days ago Edited 30 November 2020 by StanSP 2
Les-TA-Jon Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 13 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: I mean, we came from behind three times five days ago. In the league we’ve twice won after going behind, and didn’t have time to do it against Villa. That’s probably more than most. Edit - Fourth best from losing positions actually - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/punktenachrueckstand/wettbewerb/GB1 Facts!? Evidence!? Data!? you know you’re on FT, right? 1
Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Author Posted 30 November 2020 22 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: I mean, we came from behind three times five days ago. In the league we’ve twice won after going behind, and didn’t have time to do it against Villa. That’s probably more than most. Edit - Fourth best from losing positions actually - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/punktenachrueckstand/wettbewerb/GB1 There was no pressure on Thursday. We were practically already through the group stage anyway. The stats don't support my argument on this but we have to remember that we are a good team, so we should be expected to get ourselves back into games. Sometimes though we go behind and just look like we completely lose self belief. When those games happen (tonight was one), they're easy to identify and you can quite confidently write off our chances. We scored today out of pretty much nothing and only then started to believe and show the urgency we should have been showing all half.
StanSP Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 5 minutes ago, Nod.E said: There was no pressure on Thursday. We were practically already through the group stage anyway. Which works even more in the team's favour (and against the point you're making?) that their still willing to put some modicum of effort in and carry on playing & scoring in a game that had no pressure
Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Author Posted 30 November 2020 1 minute ago, StanSP said: Which works even more in the team's favour (and against the point you're making?) that their still willing to put some modicum of effort in and carry on playing & scoring in a game that had no pressure You're missing my point. Key word is tantrum. No need to throw a tantrum if not much is at stake. We lose our cool too easily when the pressure is on. Prime example is Bournemouth. Or broadly our efforts to close out a Champions League spot.
The whole world smiles Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 2 hours ago, Nod.E said: Have you ever known a worse team at dealing with it? We must be the easiest team in Europe to defend a lead against. 5 at the back is a problem with a simple solution. Play better wing backs when they return or change formation. A harder problem to solve is the tantrum our players seem to throw whenever we go behind. Arms flailing. Lack of urgency. Poor body language. Absolutely does my head. Utterly unprofessional and we won't do anything noteworthy unless we address the problem. We can't score first in every game. I can post this with 10 minutes to go such is the severity of the issue, in full confidence I won't be embarrassed by it. The facts just don't support this. 4th best so far this season at getting points from losing positions and 7th best last season. The facts would argue that instead of being one of the worst ever we are actually one of the best in the country.
StanSP Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 We went behind at Man City. Ended up winning 5-2. No tantrums. We went behind at Burnley. Ended up winning 4-2. No tantrums. To be honest, we could both be as selective as we want but I wouldn't say anything I've seen is 'tantrums' even when we do go behind in any game. Frustration, bit of petulance, annoyance? Yes, all of them. Having a lack of urgency doesn't equate to a tantrum, in my opinion. A tantrum means losing your temper and perhaps being overly aggressive and angry? Given how we played and went 6 unbeaten after losing against West Ham & Villa makes me think it isn't an attitude problem amongst the players/team. 1
Kingleicester Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 We have pretty much zero fight, kinda bottle mentality, when the pressure is not on us we perform better
Fox92 Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 We have come from behind (even this season against Burnley/Man City) but I do worry about the fight this lot have. Sometimes, like tonight, they just don’t look bothered collectively.
TrentFox Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 Love going behind. Best way to finish a lovely evening out. 2
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 2 hours ago, Nod.E said: Have you ever known a worse team at dealing with it? We must be the easiest team in Europe to defend a lead against. 5 at the back is a problem with a simple solution. Play better wing backs when they return or change formation. A harder problem to solve is the tantrum our players seem to throw whenever we go behind. Arms flailing. Lack of urgency. Poor body language. Absolutely does my head. Utterly unprofessional and we won't do anything noteworthy unless we address the problem. We can't score first in every game. I can post this with 10 minutes to go such is the severity of the issue, in full confidence I won't be embarrassed by it. Yeah, truly woeful. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/punktenachrueckstand/wettbewerb/GB1
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 21 minutes ago, Nod.E said: You're missing my point. Key word is tantrum. No need to throw a tantrum if not much is at stake. We lose our cool too easily when the pressure is on. Prime example is Bournemouth. Or broadly our efforts to close out a Champions League spot. Ignore the Europa league then. We’ve won 33% of our total premier league points tally by winning from losing positions. And you have actually claimed we are the worst team at winning from losing positions in Europe when we are the 4th best in the country. Time to have a few days off the Internet I think.
Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Author Posted 30 November 2020 40 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Ignore the Europa league then. We’ve won 33% of our total premier league points tally by winning from losing positions. And you have actually claimed we are the worst team at winning from losing positions in Europe when we are the 4th best in the country. Time to have a few days off the Internet I think. 33% hahaha. As in 2 out of 6. Jesus Christ. Know when and when not to use statistics before getting all confident and aggressive telling people to have a few days 'off the internet', as though people still use dial up. Man City were always going to continue to attack, which leaves one game, Burnley, who's defence was unrecognisable when we played them. Are you telling me that when we go behind against a defensive team, you're confident in our ability to turn the game around?
Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Author Posted 30 November 2020 1 hour ago, StanSP said: We went behind at Man City. Ended up winning 5-2. No tantrums. We went behind at Burnley. Ended up winning 4-2. No tantrums. To be honest, we could both be as selective as we want but I wouldn't say anything I've seen is 'tantrums' even when we do go behind in any game. Frustration, bit of petulance, annoyance? Yes, all of them. Having a lack of urgency doesn't equate to a tantrum, in my opinion. A tantrum means losing your temper and perhaps being overly aggressive and angry? Given how we played and went 6 unbeaten after losing against West Ham & Villa makes me think it isn't an attitude problem amongst the players/team. Stroppy, then. We go through the motions.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nod.E said: 33% hahaha. As in 2 out of 6. Jesus Christ. Know when and when not to use statistics before getting all confident and aggressive telling people to have a few days 'off the internet', as though people still use dial up. Man City were always going to continue to attack, which leaves one game, Burnley, who's defence was unrecognisable when we played them. Are you telling me that when we go behind against a defensive team, you're confident in our ability to turn the game around? Don’t back track. But no we have 18 points, six were won after being behind. You’ve just claimed we are the worst team in Europe in coming back from losing positions, when we are the fourth best in one of the best leagues in Europe. Now you can if but and what about the opposition, coming to win from behind at this level is highly difficult, this is why there are 16 teams with less than six points, plenty with zero. Now like I say, have a day off. Edited 30 November 2020 by Manwell Pablo
Nod.E Posted 30 November 2020 Author Posted 30 November 2020 1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said: Don’t back track. You’ve just claimed we are the worst team in Europe in coming back from losing positions, when we are the fourth best in one of the best leagues in Europe. Now you can if but and what about the opposition, coming to win from behind at this level is highly difficult, this is why there are 16 teams with less than six points, plenty with zero. Now like I say, have a day off. How very Trump of you. If that was genuinely a point I wanted to make seriously, I'd have done my research and provided data. I was exaggerating for effect. We are very poor at coming from behind when a defensively minded team scores first. That's going to be very difficult to prove or disprove using statistics available to us. The season has had 10 games so far. It's a tiny data set, hence why it's not appropriate to use stats in this discussion. To do so displays a shocking misunderstanding of how statistics should be used and when they are significant enough to be relied upon to provide any meaning. I'd say have a day off, but have a day in (school).
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 November 2020 Posted 30 November 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nod.E said: How very Trump of you. If that was genuinely a point I wanted to make seriously, I'd have done my research and provided data. I was exaggerating for effect. We are very poor at coming from behind when a defensively minded team scores first. That's going to be very difficult to prove or disprove using statistics available to us. The season has had 10 games so far. It's a tiny data set, hence why it's not appropriate to use stats in this discussion. To do so displays a shocking misunderstanding of how statistics should be used and when they are significant enough to be relied upon to provide any meaning. I'd say have a day off, but have a day in (school). Trump 😂 I’m just stating facts. Its very hard to prove because it’s not true, we’ve gone behind six times? turned it around against Burnley and Man City, failed to against West Ham (5th) Aston Villa (Scored in the 90th minute) and Liverpool (2nd) and tonight. This is all ignoring Thursday. Utterly embarrassing thread. Edited 30 November 2020 by Manwell Pablo
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