Cricket (None Leicestershire County Cricket Club)

[Voll Blau]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

May I ask why?

The culture is all wrong. It's gone from trying to give average players confidence to actively celebrating stupidity and poor cricket.

 

It's not just him though. The whole structure of English cricket has been destroyed to make embarrassments like this inevitable. Even if he were to go, he'd just be a scapegoat for many others - some of whom have already escaped scot-free with fat pay-offs.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

The culture is all wrong. It's gone from trying to give average players confidence to actively celebrating stupidity and poor cricket.

 

It's not just him though. The whole structure of English cricket has been destroyed to make embarrassments like this inevitable. Even if he were to go, he'd just be a scapegoat for many others - some of whom have already escaped scot-free with fat pay-offs.

I see, thank you.

 

Perhaps I'm seeing it too shallow, but I have seen a Test team with one win in 17 turn into one that really should have won the Ashes, whitewashed Pakistan away from home and only really failed away in India - which is hardly a novel thing.

[Voll Blau]

17 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I see, thank you.

 

Perhaps I'm seeing it too shallow, but I have seen a Test team with one win in 17 turn into one that really should have won the Ashes, whitewashed Pakistan away from home and only really failed away in India - which is hardly a novel thing.

Like I say, short-term it did give some players desperately short of confidence the attitude they needed to succeed. But that's not developed into a proper strategy and has instead led to a to a culture of complacency and pig-headedness (whether you belief the jibes about golf or not) that means winning is always treated as secondary.

 

That's pervaded all three squads, so we're a nation who were 50-over world champions just over five years ago but now have only one bloke in the whole country who seems to understand how to construct an innings in that format.

 

Ultimately though, like at LCFC, the blame lays above any coach or manager - and people have seen it coming for years. This was always going to happen to a country who treat their own domestic structure as an inconvenience and put financial gain above the health of the national team.

Edited 28 February by Voll Blau

[Super_horns]

Bang bang then out .

 

Salt for you 

 

EDIT: 2 down now .

[STEVIE B]

England play pretty much the same way, It’s just a T20 approach. Test matches, 50 overs……..wash & repeat. I know McCullum likes this, but Root seems to the only batsmen able to read a match situation & play accordingly.

I’m finding a bit repetitive & a bit brainless now.

Edited 1 March by STEVIE B

[StanSP]

26 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

England play pretty much the same way, It’s just a T20 approach. Test matches, 50 overs……..wash & repeat. I know McCullum likes this, but Root seems to the only batsmen able to read a match situation & play accordingly.

I’m finding a bit repetitive & a bit brainless now.

It was never a sustainable approach 

[Lionator]

Game over already. Even if Root and Brook go big, we’ve lost too many wickets too early to get a defendable score. 

[goody2028]

17 hours ago, leicsmac said:

May I ask why?

Still don’t think he should be coaching England in all formats of the game. Only so much blame you can chuck to Buttler, or any captain, in all fairness. Tactically it’s been wrong in our white ball cricket for a while now. If we lose today then it’s one win in ten ODI’s. To which Brendon’s response was “the players care too much”. His attitude stinks and his selections are just as bad times. 

 

Edited 1 March by goody2028

[STEVIE B]

I fail to see what Livingstone adds to England's batting. Dreadful shot. Been poor for a while now. 

[Super_horns]

We were 3 down about 10 minutes ago !

 

[Corky]

Number 8 batting by the 21st over.

[MaidstoneFox]

16 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I see, thank you.

 

Perhaps I'm seeing it too shallow, but I have seen a Test team with one win in 17 turn into one that really should have won the Ashes, whitewashed Pakistan away from home and only really failed away in India - which is hardly a novel thing.

Also just won a test series away in New Zealand, which is not bad going. McCullum only just appointed white ball coach, while I think Bayliss and Morgan were given years to sort it out.

 

I have more of a problem with who Key and Wright and McCullum are selecting; it's all to a very narrow template.

[MaidstoneFox]

5 hours ago, STEVIE B said:

I fail to see what Livingstone adds to England's batting. Dreadful shot. Been poor for a while now. 

And he's not a 5th bowler in ODI's. Ok to fiddle a few and bowl 3-4 in T20, but you can't put him down for 10 consistently. And he has no wicket taking threat, which is essential in ODI

Edited 1 March by MaidstoneFox

[goody2028]

5 hours ago, STEVIE B said:

I fail to see what Livingstone adds to England's batting. Dreadful shot. Been poor for a while now. 

Him and Salt need to go. 

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, goody2028 said:

Still don’t think he should be coaching England in all formats of the game. Only so much blame you can chuck to Buttler, or any captain, in all fairness. Tactically it’s been wrong in our white ball cricket for a while now. If we lose today then it’s one win in ten ODI’s. To which Brendon’s response was “the players care too much”. His attitude stinks and his selections are just as bad times. 

 

I agree the white ball form has been poor and clearly some rethinking is needed there.

 

However I have no issue with his coaching of the Test team and I honestly think that people who do place expectations that are perhaps too high, considering that the only boxes not ticked have been an Ashes home win (which was down to one inept bowling effort and one poor weather forecast) and a win away in India (which is pretty much the pinnacle and something very few England teams have achieved anyway).

[Bert]

For me the biggest problem under McCullum is that if you lose your wicket it’s never “that’s not ok” or there’s no pressure on them if they do lose the wicket because they can simply say “well it’s only how I was told to play”. 
 

We could, and should’ve have been playing today as a warm up for the semi finals because we had both previous games in the palm of our hands. When bowling first we give teams 30 too many and we can’t seem see teams off like we used to when chasing. When batting first, it always seems like the chase for the opposition is a procession because they only seem to require 5 an over. 
 

From the outside looking in, especially in white ball there’s been a clique for too long and it’s seemed like a lot of mates being picked. Yeah the players playing can be destructive and win you games on their own but that’s not happened for a long time and because it’s been a very chilled, no pressure vibe, for me that loses some of that edge that you need to win games. 
 

You can tell that under Morgan he didn’t stand for any shit, even more so after watching the “World Cup through their eyes” doc on Sky a few times. That’s a massive thing that’s needed at elite level sport and something that’s been seriously lacking since Morgan left. 

[MaidstoneFox]

8 hours ago, Bert said:

For me the biggest problem under McCullum is that if you lose your wicket it’s never “that’s not ok” or there’s no pressure on them if they do lose the wicket because they can simply say “well it’s only how I was told to play”. 
 

We could, and should’ve have been playing today as a warm up for the semi finals because we had both previous games in the palm of our hands. When bowling first we give teams 30 too many and we can’t seem see teams off like we used to when chasing. When batting first, it always seems like the chase for the opposition is a procession because they only seem to require 5 an over. 
 

From the outside looking in, especially in white ball there’s been a clique for too long and it’s seemed like a lot of mates being picked. Yeah the players playing can be destructive and win you games on their own but that’s not happened for a long time and because it’s been a very chilled, no pressure vibe, for me that loses some of that edge that you need to win games. 
 

You can tell that under Morgan he didn’t stand for any shit, even more so after watching the “World Cup through their eyes” doc on Sky a few times. That’s a massive thing that’s needed at elite level sport and something that’s been seriously lacking since Morgan left. 

Morgan was a once in a generation captain though, there doesn't appear to be an equivalent now (someone who makes it into the team on merit but also has that vision and intelligence). I'm sure the coaching role would be his if he wanted it, but I believe he has young children and doesn't want to do the miles. 

[StanSP]

Another insane catch from Phillips. Machine. 

[leicsmac]

NZ bringing it for the big occasion again.

 

NB. You could hear a pin drop in that stadium when Phillips took that.

Edited 2 March by leicsmac

[Super_horns]

Be funny if India don’t win a tournament basically in their own back yard again .

Great catch by Philips.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/c77r58n2z7kt

Edited 2 March by Super_horns

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Be funny if India don’t win a tournament basically in their own back yard again

Own back yard? 

[MaidstoneFox]

51 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Another insane catch from Phillips. Machine. 

There was a good piece about Phillips on TNT during the Eng test series, about him having ADHD and the difference it made to his performance.

[MaidstoneFox]

250 could be a winning score here with the ball turning

[Super_horns]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Own back yard? 

Well almost ish !

 

Anyway recovered well now .

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, MaidstoneFox said:

250 could be a winning score here with the ball turning

Well, we'll find out, it would seem, given 250 is the exact target.