Invisible History

[Freeman's Wharfer]

3 hours ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

I would say anyone who came and bought the club when we were nothing but a championship strugglers, payed off all the debts, funded a multi million training ground and payed  top money for players, won us the ultimate prize of winning the premier league and lost his life in the pursuit of it all qualifies as the " Most influential figure in the clubs 138 year history" wouldn't you?

You literally just cannot even begin to have a reasoned discussion with someone starting out like this. They’re so far gone.

[Spudulike]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Not really no. When I was seven, I never ever thought we’d win the top flight. The second tier, yes because it’s relative to how we are a size of a club. The amazing part of the last few years has been more about the journey than the final destination. 
 

I support my club because of local pride, family, community etc. I met the friends I have now through Leicester City when we were shit. It’s been incredible to share the last few years with them but the current owners nor recent success were the influence what made me support Leicester City FC. 
 

I actually think the families biggest legacy will be when the stadium expands to 40k and gives the opportunity for more fans to watch us play alongside having the chance to take my own children (when born) which is currently a pain in the arse. 

When I was seven I thought we were the greatest club in the world, ever. I knew nothing about other clubs and why would I given that my Dad, Uncles, Aunties and grandparents only ever spoke about the City. I think that I was probably about 17 before it dawned on me. 

[Stevosevic]

28 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Gary Lineker statue first and dubbed most important player, better scoring rate and the club wouldn't exist without him 

Vardy has done more for Leicester City than Lineker as a player, its not even close. 

[moore_94]

Just now, Stevosevic said:

Vardy has done more for Leicester City than Lineker as a player, its not even close. 

Yeah it wasn't a serious post.

[TrentFox]

Why is there never one of those poll creating types around  when you need one? I demand a “most influential” poll!!! 😊

[moore_94]

You aren't going to be able to get every single Leicester fan to agree on who the most influential person was anyway so no point in everyone arguing about it

 

Some people will say Vichai because all they have really known is the club under him, others will say the people who saved the club during admin because they lived through it and remember it

 

Honestly don't think it is that big a deal anyway

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

What I do find interesting is take a club like Bournemouth - I work alongside a Bournemouth fan and his biggest regret in recent years is that when the club succeeded, the actual legacy left isinsignificant. 
 

If you asked Bournemouth fans their biggest historical influence, they’d said Eddie Howe every time without doubt. They wouldn’t mention the Russian benefactor who supplied all the money from League 1 upwards. 
 

I’m not saying what’s the right view or the wrong view but it is interesting how at Leicester the owners are held in a special regard. I think the nearest clubs which spring to mind with a similar outlook would be Brighton and Brentford but a lot of that stems from the ability to give them a modern stadium and in Brighton’s case, a much needed game changer 

That is exactly what this era is about for me. A legacy that will remain with the club for ever. Given our history I still expect it all to fall apart at some point, and it will. However, King Power will have left us with something to show for our golden era. That's why the stadium expansion is so very important alongside previous achievements. The club has gained football respect in these years and has something to show for it, on and off the pitch. No regrets when it's all over. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

24 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

You literally just cannot even begin to have a reasoned discussion with someone starting out like this. They’re so far gone.

Well lets hear your argument against it instead of making fatuous remarks on the lines of " so far gone " 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

2 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Ok so you are nominating Pearson as number one influential person in the clubs history then?

[PAPA LAZAROU]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

They’d have been no club without those names. 

Agreed. But the subject was who has been the most influential.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

Or you could give a view on the visibility of our history and start a separate topic on who /what has been the most influential.

I thought this topic WAS about the most influential ? Posters on here were objecting to the club saying Vichai has been the most influential. As for the visibility look no further than the club shop with it's pictorial montage of the clubs history and all the retro shirts from the past, The Fossil and Fox's Books can all be purchased in there . As far as i can see no one is trying to erase our past at the club.

[Smashing-Pumpkin]

40 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

You literally just cannot even begin to have a reasoned discussion with someone starting out like this. They’re so far gone.

Whats wrong with his rationale then? The owner made everything possible.

[The whole world smiles]

1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Anyone involved in taking us out of administration. The club wouldn’t have existed if it wasn’t for them.

That was a collective of people though from the hundreds of bucket collectors to Gary lineaker. Which dilutes how influential any one of them were. 

 

Which takes me back to my original point it's very difficult/impossible to find a more influential individual than vichai in the clubs history. 

[ajthefox]

2 hours ago, Jonaldinho said:

I think the discussion of whether he is or isn't the most influential is irrelevant - it's simply saying it in the first place. You can make an argument that he is for the decisions he made while chairman, but why can't they simply say "one of"? It doesn't dumb down his legacy, avoids this pointless debate and doesn't give the impression (again) that LCFC only started in 2010. 

Spot on for me is this.

 

I'm not one to go shouting or complaining, but I did think to myself saying THE most was a bit weird and almost dismissive of our history. There was just no need for it. 

[1972 Fox]

3 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Correct. Everyone knows this.

Well if you say "everyone knows this" then it must be correct and people shouldn't need doubt you. 

 

Edited 5 April 2022 by Blue Fox 72

[Freeman's Wharfer]

1 hour ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Well lets hear your argument against it instead of making fatuous remarks on the lines of " so far gone " 

We were not Championship strugglers, we’d just been in the play-off semi-final and lost narrowly on pens.
 

The training ground and player signings are investments made by a premier league football club raking in hundreds of millions a year from tv money and sponsorship and through smart recruitment and astronomical upsell on signings made with that tv money.

 

The owners did not win us the league. They financed the club in the way they needed to in order for it to be a sound investment (that they will make a very handsome profit on the day they sell) and then the off-field set-up and team spirit cultivated by Pearson - and built upon with some crucial tactical tweaks and savvy PR by Ranieri - did the real work.

[Tommy Fresh]

Kermorgant, because lets be honest that side would have got ruined in the top flight (unless Tunchev had found fitness). We'd of won the final as well, Taylor-Fletcher said they were desperate for Cardiff to win as they didn't believe they would beat us.

[The whole world smiles]

4 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

We were not Championship strugglers, we’d just been in the play-off semi-final and lost narrowly on pens.
 

The training ground and player signings are investments made by a premier league football club raking in hundreds of millions a year from tv money and sponsorship and through smart recruitment and astronomical upsell on signings made with that tv money.

 

The owners did not win us the league. They financed the club in the way they needed to in order for it to be a sound investment (that they will make a very handsome profit on the day they sell) and then the off-field set-up and team spirit cultivated by Pearson - and built upon with some crucial tactical tweaks and savvy PR by Ranieri - did the real work.

I agree no one person was responsible for winning the league, but vichai deserves enormous credit just like Pearson, Steve Walsh, Claudio, the individual players all do. But forgetting the leauge look at the training ground we now use. Look at the plans for the new stadium, look at the continued success, regular European football and the players we have been able to attract. 

 

Below is the 11 before they took over look where we are now. The owners have absolutely transformed the club on and off the pitch. 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

4 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I agree no one person was responsible for winning the league, but vichai deserves enormous credit just like Pearson, Steve Walsh, Claudio, the individual players all do. But forgetting the leauge look at the training ground we now use. Look at the plans for the new stadium, look at the continued success, regular European football and the players we have been able to attract. 

 

Below is the 11 before they took over look where we are now. The owners have absolutely transformed the club on and off the pitch. 

Of course he deserves credit and there’s a very valid argument to say the title win wouldn’t have happened without him. We all get that.

 

But the problem is that everything good ad infinitum gets attributed to the owners. As if LCFC as a club would have just stood still frozen in time without them.

 

It’s not inconceivable that we could have got to the Premier League without their investment (having been knocking on the door the season before). We could have then sustained ourselves as a premier league club and made the kind of infrastructure investments we’re making from the tv money and all of the riches that come with being a Premier League club.

 

There’s a balance to be found between being grateful and appreciative of the investment they made in the club without tipping into the glorification and exaggeration. Unfortunately many of our fans fail to find that and it leads to a state of nothing ever being questioned.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

53 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Of course he deserves credit and there’s a very valid argument to say the title win wouldn’t have happened without him. We all get that.

 

But the problem is that everything good ad infinitum gets attributed to the owners. As if LCFC as a club would have just stood still frozen in time without them.

 

It’s not inconceivable that we could have got to the Premier League without their investment (having been knocking on the door the season before). We could have then sustained ourselves as a premier league club and made the kind of infrastructure investments we’re making from the tv money and all of the riches that come with being a Premier League club.

 

There’s a balance to be found between being grateful and appreciative of the investment they made in the club without tipping into the glorification and exaggeration. Unfortunately many of our fans fail to find that and it leads to a state of nothing ever being questioned.

So where is the " glorification and exaggeration" ? There is no doubt in the majority of city fans minds who lifted this club out of the perennial yo yo status. If's and might have count for nothing THEY did it. And have sustained it.If you think this club would be where we are at right now without them then you are deluded.

[The whole world smiles]

56 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Of course he deserves credit and there’s a very valid argument to say the title win wouldn’t have happened without him. We all get that.

 

But the problem is that everything good ad infinitum gets attributed to the owners. As if LCFC as a club would have just stood still frozen in time without them.

 

It’s not inconceivable that we could have got to the Premier League without their investment (having been knocking on the door the season before). We could have then sustained ourselves as a premier league club and made the kind of infrastructure investments we’re making from the tv money and all of the riches that come with being a Premier League club.

 

There’s a balance to be found between being grateful and appreciative of the investment they made in the club without tipping into the glorification and exaggeration. Unfortunately many of our fans fail to find that and it leads to a state of nothing ever being questioned.

The glorification and exaggeration happened when he died and its impossible to undo. He's become a mythical figure and an icon a bit like Robin Hood is to Nottingham. 

 

It's the power of a good story. Now we all no Robin Hood was a complete fabrication but it's not done the city of Nottingham any harm has it? 

 

The narrative is that a kind old owner took us from nowhere and won the league against impossible odds like some pied piper he bought the fans with him on the journey with beer doughnuts and new hospitals for the city then died tragically only for his son to finish his legacy and win the much converted fa cup for the first time in our history.

 

It's one hell of a hollywood story and unlike Robin Hood actually has some truth in it.

 

Is vichais role in our success exagerrated? Of course it is.

 

But Is that a bad thing if it bonds top even closer to the club and gives the club and fans a bit of purpose and intrest? (vichai had a dream etc, top closing his eyes with the FA cup in his hands at Wembley and pointing to the sky etc) 

 

We should embrace the glorification and exaggeration in my humble opinion. 

 

[Nod.E]

He died, tragically and prematurely.

 

That's why there's a statue.

 

Humans are sentimental. Yes it's a bit weird but I'm surprised to see how many people can't see why it's happened.

[Guest Electric Yetis]

1 hour ago, The whole world smiles said:

I agree no one person was responsible for winning the league, but vichai deserves enormous credit just like Pearson, Steve Walsh, Claudio, the individual players all do. But forgetting the leauge look at the training ground we now use. Look at the plans for the new stadium, look at the continued success, regular European football and the players we have been able to attract. 

 

Below is the 11 before they took over look where we are now. The owners have absolutely transformed the club on and off the pitch. 

Just to be pedantic, that isn't the 11 before they took over. Sven signed a number of those players. 

[SemperEadem]

6 hours ago, Nod.E said:

He died, tragically and prematurely.

 

That's why there's a statue.

 

Humans are sentimental. Yes it's a bit weird but I'm surprised to see how many people can't see why it's happened.

I can agree on a lot of that there. However why is his statue front and centre at the ground. First thing you see whichever route in is that. Surely its place should be in the memorial garden.

 

A front and centre statue along with his face on huge banners around the stadium, his name now all over the training ground too, King Power literally thousands of times on boards inside the ground. Plus lets be honest that new stands also going to likely be ‘his’ too.

Everything you see is King Power. We are Leicester City Football Club.

 

 

Edited 6 April 2022 by SemperEadem

[SemperEadem]

I idea that Vichai won us the league is wildly misplaced. 
I find it very strange that huge numbers of the fans put businessmen far higher than players and managers in terms of gratitude.

Edited 6 April 2022 by SemperEadem