Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy Thread

[SpacedX]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You're a great guy, Spacey, but I would advise to wind your neck in just a little bit, mate. Let's keep it civil.

We've discussed this before Mac - I lack the reserves of patience, tact and diplomacy that you exude when it comes to this subject. That is why I would love to see you embark on a career in scientific communication. 

[splinterdream]

7 hours ago, leicsmac said:

You're a great guy, Spacey, but I would advise to wind your neck in just a little bit, mate. Let's keep it civil.

😂 it’s okay, I find it funny that someone can get so angry at me putting speculative stuff out there, I really have no knowledge on the subject, but I don’t understand getting upset about discussing an issue like the moon landings, I don’t go around telling people we didn’t land on the moon, I’d be more like, I wonder if they were faked? Discuss.

but that wasn’t why I posted, I just don’t see how being suspicious of events around you, whether political or social, can lead to the far right, and what is the far right anyway?

 

The US administration was brought up, pro life lobby vs women’s autonomy, and gay marriage. I’ve never been to the States but I gather some states are big on Christianity, and as we maybe seeing in the UK, can religion can lead political policy, and from what I see in my limited view, the US has more of an extreme political divide than we do, and I think it’s because the battle is fought so hard, whereas most people would be somewhere in the middle, moreover I remember gay marriage being discussed in the UK, and those against it argued that if it were allowed, those against it on religious grounds would be forced to marry same sex couples, I guess the same arguments are being played out in the US, but is that far right?
Would we say Islamic nations are far right? If the Labour Party bring through a blasphemy law that denies my the right to criticise Islam, which itself has the same issues with LGBT and women’s autonomy, are they far right? 
 

And lastly, I have to wonder where the statistics come from that claim how many lives the Covid jab has saved, and how many it has injured. I just don’t think we can be sure of the true number either way, it was indeed a doctor who didn’t want the jab, and publicly questioned sajid javid on firing medical staff for not taking the jab that confirmed for me I’d made the right choice, there were doctors I heard interviewed who said the only people they’d had in the wards were the very elderly or those with underlying health issues. The tragedy is how many lives have been lost due to the lockdowns and the shutting down of the economy and healthcare except Covid. Since Covid we’ve had reports of the use of midazolam and morphine being administered to elderly patients, even against their wishes, and being questioned by some medical professionals as it brings about end of life. We’ve had doctors lying on daytime television about what the vaccine did, and 1 allegedly not declaring they’d had a payment from a vaccine manufacturer,  there’s a pretty good podcast series by Doc Malik who has interviewed many who held serious concerns regards the vaccine, and he was a surgeon, check it out

[splinterdream]

On 03/01/2025 at 13:45, SpacedX said:

Bart Sibrel is back doing the rounds flogging the same old conspiratorial horseshit about the Apollo moon landings. Through the Joe Rogan Show and recently Cadance Owens' podcast he has gained a huge new audience for his deception that lack the capability and the will to independently verify and substantiate the veracity of his fallacious claims for themselves. Lacking any knowledge of the subject whatsoever they are then made to feel 'special' and privileged becoming overnight armchair/pub stool authorities regurgitating, distorting and inflating his lies in a grotesque online version of Chinese whispers. Where some may argue that moon landing denial is innocuous and not in the slightest bit dangerous it does nonetheless demonstrate the ease of dissemination of click bait disinformation, the process behind this and lays the gullible and suggestable wide open and susceptible to more insidious disinformation based upon an irrational distrust of anything that they deem to be an 'official narrative'. This also breeds anti-science and where this impinges on health issues, is a threat to us all. 

I'll tell you whats dangerous, censorship, and you seem to be all for that, thank god for the 1st amendment, i wish we had that here.

Edited 30 January by splinterdream

[st albans fox]

They do say that ‘ignorance is bliss’

 

but that was before the internet !

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I'll tell you whats dangerous, censorship, and you seem to be all for that, thank god for the 1st amendment, i wish we had that here.

What a ridiculous straw man logical fallacy. Read my post again. At no stage have I said anything of the sort. What I am particularly opposed to however is an opportunistic ex-cab driving convicted felon, cult member, stalker, proven liar, fraud and renowned online grifter that managed to get himself ostracised from the advertisement making industry, with a huge grudge to bear and chip on his shoulder and zero relevant expertise, telling people like you what to think about a subject that by your own admission, you have no understanding or knowledge of whatsoever. 

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

thank god for the 1st amendment, i wish we had that here.

Hilarious since the USA now has a President in office that is threatening the federally issued licenses of television broadcast outlets that displeased him.

 

The right to free speech is not absolute and certain types of speech can be restricted, such as obscenity, defamation, incitement to violence, and threats. Free speech is the noose by which people hang themselves. It should be used responsibly and not abused. Blatant disinformation which is Sibrel's stock in trade should be summarily and systematically challenged and exposed. Conspiracy theorists are crooks, not just idiots. petty crooks, true, but part of their business model is to create an environment of distrust of science and rational thought, and refusal to ever measure anything. and that is a serious problem for society. Besides, they spread so much malice that it's a good idea to pound them flat while they are small.

 

Earlier today, I politely urged you to summon even just a thread of humility in respect of your comment relating to the Van Allen Belts, ask yourself a series of questions, reflect and exercise some self awareness. You have completely ignored and disregarded that bludgeoning on with more regurgitated online nonsense about Stanley Kubrick and now an utterly bizarre reply about freedom of speech. 

 

The renowned Italian scholar and semiologist Umberto Eco once said: “Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

Edited 30 January by SpacedX

[SpacedX]

48 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

They do say that ‘ignorance is bliss’

 

but that was before the internet !

When I went through school there would invariably be a couple of pupils who couldn’t quite grasp certain concepts in the subjects that we were taught. It was OK though. They’d squeak by and live their lives happily, albeit not as rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Now they find each other on the internet. They find validation for their lack of understanding, and then they embrace it. They’re told “you’re one of the smart ones, you always knew they were lying to you.” Facts don’t matter at that point, and yet another conspiracy believer is born. Throw in the special feeling conspiracies can confer, along with a liberal affliction of the Dunning Kruger effect, and we have what we have. This is all just an unfortunate, yet understandable side effect of the internet. This is something we’re always going to have to deal with.

 

 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

 

but that wasn’t why I posted, I just don’t see how being suspicious of events around you, whether political or social, can lead to the far right, and what is the far right anyway?

 

The US administration was brought up, pro life lobby vs women’s autonomy, and gay marriage. I’ve never been to the States but I gather some states are big on Christianity, and as we maybe seeing in the UK, can religion can lead political policy, and from what I see in my limited view, the US has more of an extreme political divide than we do, and I think it’s because the battle is fought so hard, whereas most people would be somewhere in the middle, moreover I remember gay marriage being discussed in the UK, and those against it argued that if it were allowed, those against it on religious grounds would be forced to marry same sex couples, I guess the same arguments are being played out in the US, but is that far right?
Would we say Islamic nations are far right? If the Labour Party bring through a blasphemy law that denies my the right to criticise Islam, which itself has the same issues with LGBT and women’s autonomy, are they far right?

That was the argument up until a few weeks ago (on a policy based level anyway) - "religious freedom" and all that.

 

Now, it has gone beyond that. The legislation allowing for LGBT marriage is being deliberately, specifically, targeted, first at state and then at federal level. If one doesn't think that, in a supposedly developed country, isn't a far right sentiment, then, again, I would like to know what one would describe as that.

 

And yes, to answer your question, for me any fundamentalist religion of any type that seeks to impose that regressive rubbish on a populace through law in 2025 are all different styles of the same thing.

 

WRT the paragraph about the Covid vaccine, feel free to supply peer reviewed evidence of any of it all (not a YouTube video, please) and I'll have a look.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I'll tell you whats dangerous, censorship, and you seem to be all for that, thank god for the 1st amendment, i wish we had that here.

A question: is such censorship (or the other worst excesses of human behaviour) worse than the consequences the natural world can visit upon us and require unity of response?

 

Here's a hint; one treatable, preventable disease, one, has taken more lives in the last few hundred years than all human wars and murders put together.

 

It's right to fear human power and abuse of it. But downplaying natural threats and action needed to address them will lead to both even worse excesses and a higher body count than human sociopaths could dream of.

 

That's something those who consider conspiracies involved by humans often fail to grasp.

Edited 30 January by leicsmac

[SpacedX]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

A question: is such censorship (or the other worst excesses of human behaviour) worse than the consequences the natural world can visit upon us and require unity of response?

 

Here's a hint; one treatable, preventable disease, one, has taken more lives in the last few hundred years than all human wars and murders put together.

 

It's right to fear human power and abuse of it. But downplaying natural threats and action needed to address them will lead to both even worse excesses and a higher body count than human sociopaths could dream of.

 

That's something those who consider conspiracies involved by humans often fail to grasp.

Perfectly put. 

[SpacedX]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

😂 it’s okay, I find it funny that someone can get so angry at me  

 

Really, I'm not angry with you, genuinely, and apologies if you got that impression. 

 

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

putting speculative stuff out there

And yet...

 

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I really have no knowledge on the subject,

You have at least, albeit inadvertently, perfectly epitomised, embodied and personified the 21st Century online conspiracy belief.  

Edited 30 January by SpacedX

[splinterdream]

Well, fair play @SpacedX and @leicsmac you guys got me beat, you sure know alot about space travel, climate change science, vaccines and US politics, even quotes from people i don't know and the rep sheet of others as well, I'm just a member of a football forum and wanted a casual chat, way out of my league. Go easy chaps 🤣

[SpacedX]

10 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Well, fair play @SpacedX and @leicsmac you guys got me beat, you sure know alot about space travel, climate change science, vaccines and US politics, even quotes from people i don't know and the rep sheet of others as well, I'm just a member of a football forum and wanted a casual chat, way out of my league. Go easy chaps 🤣

It isn't a case of "got you beat" honestly. I know absolutely nothing about  investments, stocks and shares, (I don't have a corporate cell in my body), golf, strava apps, Love Island, hip hop, TV buying, car finance... For this reason, there are topics and threads I won't comment or speculate on (with the exception of football) or make absolute statements. 

 

I applaud your response and apologies again if my responses in particular seemed like an onslaught. 

Edited 30 January by SpacedX

[samlcfc]

On 29/01/2025 at 07:40, blabyboy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3nx1kd9q1o

So..Drones....not a threat but we're not saying whose they were. Back to your positions.

 

Not suggesting any other particular explanation, but it's interesting that the FBI, DHS, FAA and DOD previously advised that they were unable to identify any operators or points of origin for drone flights.

 

Miscommunication possibly, then, or now, but it certainly doesn't help give confidence to those that were asking questions. Must've been a few considering they're addressing it.

 

Made me laugh that Trump was stirring it up pre-inauguration, saying that the military knew who were operating the drones and didn't want to comment due to strange circumstances. Now he's in office, the Press Secretary has a contradictory answer. Par for the course I guess.

Edited 30 January by samlcfc

[Nalis]

Surprised there isn't some conspiracy theory knocking around about the plane crash yet if there were russian gymnasts on board. The conspiracy groups thrive off these type of tragic events.

[when_you're_smiling]

2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Surprised there isn't some conspiracy theory knocking around about the plane crash yet if there were russian gymnasts on board. The conspiracy groups thrive off these type of tragic events.

Well the President’s blaming ‘diversity’. Even conspiracy theorists might struggle to top that. 

[samlcfc]

8 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Surprised there isn't some conspiracy theory knocking around about the plane crash yet if there were russian gymnasts on board. The conspiracy groups thrive off these type of tragic events.

I did see a few posts noting that CNN had posted news articles about the crash before it happened.

 

Apparently a deep-state orchestrated plane crash is easier to believe, than a news organisation editing historic articles for Search  Engine Optimisation.

Edited 30 January by samlcfc

[jgtuk]

1 minute ago, samlcfc said:

I did see a few posts noting that CNN had posted news articles about the crash before it happened.

 

Apparently a deep-state orchestrated plane crash is easier to believe, than a news organisation editing historic articles for Search  Engine Optimisation.

It’s obviously all of those lesbian, transgender and communists employed by Biden in the control tower, place is swarming with ’em

[Trumpet]

 

 

Blaine Holt is high enough in the USAF to have his own page on their website. Irrespective of the drone situation, his comment on extra-terrestrials is interesting. Maybe they’re just messing with the UFO crazies.

 

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108859/brigadier-general-blaine-d-holt/

edit: to add his page

 

 

Edited 30 January by Trumpet

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

Well, fair play @SpacedX and @leicsmac you guys got me beat, you sure know alot about space travel, climate change science, vaccines and US politics, even quotes from people i don't know and the rep sheet of others as well, I'm just a member of a football forum and wanted a casual chat, way out of my league. Go easy chaps 🤣

 

1 hour ago, SpacedX said:

It isn't a case of "got you beat" honestly. I know absolutely nothing about  investments, stocks and shares, (I don't have a corporate cell in my body), golf, strava apps, Love Island, hip hop, TV buying, car finance... For this reason, there are topics and threads I won't comment or speculate on (with the exception of football) or make absolute statements. 

 

I applaud your response and apologies again if my responses in particular seemed like an onslaught. 

Pretty much this. There's a shitload of things I don't know and having conflicting opinion on here is useful because critical thinking and being able to defend a position of thought are essential skills.

[samlcfc]

33 minutes ago, Trumpet said:

 

 

Blaine Holt is high enough in the USAF to have his own page on their website. Irrespective of the drone situation, his comment on extra-terrestrials is interesting. Maybe they’re just messing with the UFO crazies.

 

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108859/brigadier-general-blaine-d-holt/

edit: to add his page

 

 

 

The contemporary UFO / UAP narrative that Holt is involved in is absolutely incredible. It's probably not aliens, but regardless, it's going to make one hell of documentary one day.

 

The most recent consistent narrative, began with a push for transparency on the topic within Government, Military organisations around 2017, and where it's at now is absolutely wild.

 

It involves extremely high level professionals across government, military, government, nasa, academia and news media discussing the topic across a spectrum that covers physical craft to the true nature of reality and consciousness.

 

If it isn't some form of Non-Human Intelligence as they're calling it, the story instead represents decades of what would amount to a cult-like belief infiltrating the highest levels of these institutions, feeding back and forth between individuals within them and the general public in some form of circular reporting.

 

I'd say it had the capacity to be some sort of hustle in some respects, but the people serving to make any money from it are in no need of any.

 

I'm pretty open-minded and enjoy existential topics for lack of a better word, so aliens, some bizarre form of intelligence, or a behavioural phenomenon. It's an amazing story.

Edited 30 January by samlcfc

[Dr The Singh]

5 minutes ago, samlcfc said:

 

The contemporary UFO / UAP narrative that Holt is involved in is absolutely incredible. It's probably not aliens, but regardless, it's going to make one hell of documentary one day.

 

The most recent consistent narrative, began with a push for transparency on the topic within Government, Military organisations around 2017, and where it's at now is absolutely wild.

 

It involves extremely high level professionals across government, military, government, nasa, academia and news media discussing the topic across a spectrum that covers physical craft to the true nature of reality and consciousness.

 

If it isn't some form of Non-Human Intelligence as they're calling it, the story instead represents decades of what would amount to a cult-like belief infiltrating the highest levels of these institutions, feeding back and forth between individuals within them and the general public in some form of circular reporting.

 

I'd say it had the capacity to be some sort of hustle in some respects, but the people serving to make any money from it are in no need of any.

 

I'm pretty open-minded and enjoy existential topics for lack of a better word, so aliens, some bizarre form of intelligence, or a behavioural phenomenon. It's an amazing story.

Look forward to the next episode.

[leicsmac]

The topic is fascinating.

 

Personally, I think the Zoo Hypothesis is as plausible as any other, and while spacefaring life might be a stretch, it's equally plausible that we'll find simple microbial life in our own Solar System. Soon.

[the fox]

In theory, you would think a civilisation outside our own that managed to reach this far has some tech for camouflage (assuming they have the same train of thought as humans).

 

Isn't for or against the existence of alians btw.

Edited 30 January by the fox

[the fox]

Or maybe they think they do but it's the same as how pry fail to notice the bright orange colors of a tigers whilst we do. Maybe the tech works against their visual systems but not ours.

[leicsmac]

Just now, the fox said:

In theory, you would think a civilisation outside our own that managed to reach this far has some tech for camouflage (assuming they have the same train of thought as humans).

 

Isn't for or against the existence of alians btw.

An alien civilisation that has the capacity for interstellar travel would likely be so far ahead of us technologically that not only would they be able to hide from us perfectly if they wanted, but it's also likely their very thoughts and intent would be incomprehensible to us.

[Samilktray]

Which alien invasion movie is likely to be the most realistic? (If it ever were to happen)