Premier League - Our ex players

[jayfox26]

Just now, Lambert09 said:

absolutely!

 

Barnes in particular is going to flourish I think. 

 

We were never able to play him at the same time as a deadly rw. The extra space he will get now because newcastle have threats all over will get him so many more chances and we all know he takes most of them when they come.  

 

It’s going to hurt but I think this season will show what he could have done for us if we’d got some of our recruitment right. 

 

 

Yep it is a shame that we built a really good squad and then it's been destroyed thanks to Brendan, his mate Lee and Mr Rudkin. 

 

Fresh start though now under Enzo and hopefully we can get promoted and rebuild a decent squad capable of competing in the top 10. Cant see us getting back in the top 6 again anytime soon but it was nice while it lasted. 

 

 

[HybridFox]

Still expecting this to be the Spursiest of Spursy afternoons 

[AyewJoking]

15 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

Barnes had to go, at 25 he couldn't afford to have a season in the Championship. I always recall Jack Butland who stayed at Stoke and it as good as ended his career, three months before relegation he was England's No1 and didn't get his move from Stoke. He stayed there for a couple more years and moved to be Palace No2 and is now 30 and at Rangers.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Butland

 

As for Barnes I've always likened him to Mo Salah, maybe not quite as good but a top PL player who Brendan sucked the life out of like he did most of the squad over the last two years. Two years left on his contract and we had to sell if we got a reasonable offer, I hope he smashes it at Newcastle and he is very capable of doing it, you don't often see players in the style of Barnes who is direct, very quick and can score goals. 

[Sampson]

The completely different reaction to Barnes and Maddison here is utterly baffling to me.

 

Maddison was the better player for us. Barnes had the worse work rate and by all accounts worse work rate off the field.

 

Yet go to the Barnes thread and people say how much they want him to do well and then you see talk about Maddison and our fams are slaughtering him.
 

I really really don’t get it. it’s even more bizarre than the completely different reactions some of our fans give Mahrez in comparison to Kante

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

The completely different reaction to Barnes and Maddison here is utterly baffling to me.

 

Maddison was the better player for us. Barnes had the worse work rate and by all accounts worse work rate off the field.

 

Yet go to the Barnes thread and people say how much they want him to do well and then you see talk about Maddison and our fams are slaughtering him.
 

I really really don’t get it. it’s even more bizarre than the completely different reactions some of our fans give Mahrez in comparison to Kante

Sadly, I do get it. Barnes was 'one of our own', thus got more latitude, and Maddison I recall being disliked even when we were winning match after match. I didn't agree with it, it's just men being men about other men.

Edited 13 August 2023 by HighPeakFox

[Legend_in_blue]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

The completely different reaction to Barnes and Maddison here is utterly baffling to me.

 

Maddison was the better player for us. Barnes had the worse work rate and by all accounts worse work rate off the field.

 

Yet go to the Barnes thread and people say how much they want him to do well and then you see talk about Maddison and our fams are slaughtering him.
 

I really really don’t get it. it’s even more bizarre than the completely different reactions some of our fans give Mahrez in comparison to Kante

One had two instances of costing us our PL status in big games at the end of last season whereas the other did not.  Add to that it's Spurs Madders joined and there you have it.  

[bongo92]

Just now, Sampson said:

The completely different reaction to Barnes and Maddison here is utterly baffling to me.

 

Maddison was the better player for us. Barnes had the worse work rate and by all accounts worse work rate off the field.

 

Yet go to the Barnes thread and people say how much they want him to do well and then you see talk about Maddison and our fams are slaughtering him.
 

I really really don’t get it. it’s even more bizarre than the completely different reactions some of our fans give Mahrez in comparison to Kante

The difference is the way Maddison put himself around on social media.

 

He challenged people’s concerns that we were under threat of relegation (which imo wasn’t that bad - what else is he supposed to say?)

 

My gripe with his post/comment was the one he made post relegation. I could have misremembered but I’m pretty sure he commented that it was important to ‘stick together’. This was said when it was obvious he wasn’t going to be sticking around. To me it was just a bit fake.

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said:

One had two instances of costing us our PL status in big games at the end of last season whereas the other did not.  Add to that it's Spurs Madders joined and there you have it.  

But Newcastle are far far more vile a club than Spurs. So I don’t get the “it’s Spurs” comment. Barnes has sold his soul to a blood money club.

 

And it’s just 2 mistakes, Maddison won us points earlier in the season. Us going down was because our dire defence, not the contributions of Maddison and Barnes.

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, bongo92 said:

The difference is the way Maddison put himself around on social media.

 

He challenged people’s concerns that we were under threat of relegation (which imo wasn’t that bad - what else is he supposed to say?)

 

My gripe with his post/comment was the one he made post relegation. I could have misremembered but I’m pretty sure he commented that it was important to ‘stick together’. This was said when it was obvious he wasn’t going to be sticking around. To me it was just a bit fake.

What? As if there aren’t interviews of Barnes and every other player saying media cliches when we were in the relegation battle.

 

Are people really childish and easily offended enough to “dislike” a brilliant player for us because he wheeled out a couple of incredibly inoffensive media cliches.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

My attitude towards ex players is similar to that of my ex wife's I don't necessarily hate them but equally you do chuckle when they fall flat on their face (a little anyway)

 

Barnes at least was a local lad who seemed to genuinely be gutted to have to leave 

[weller54]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

But Newcastle are far far more vile a club than Spurs. So I don’t get the “it’s Spurs” comment. Barnes has sold his soul to a blood money club.

 

And it’s just 2 mistakes, Maddison won us points earlier in the season. Us going down was because our dire defence, not the contributions of Maddison and Barnes.

Maddisons penalty against Everton was Unforgivable in my opinion. 

[Tommy Fresh]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

What? As if there aren’t interviews of Barnes and every other player saying media cliches when we were in the relegation battle.

 

Are people really childish and easily offended enough to “dislike” a brilliant player for us because he wheeled out a couple of incredibly inoffensive media cliches.

Don't mind either and both deserved decent moves and also think both will do very well, however Maddison wasn't just doing the usual cliches was he? He went out his way to dig out a journo (that's part of the reason for some I guess)

Edited 13 August 2023 by Tommy Fresh

[KFS]

Wait, did I just see Rodger’s number two in the Spurs dugout. This is just set up perfectly for failure 

[Sampson]

11 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Don't mind either and both deserved decent moves and also think both will do very well, however Maddison wasn't just doing the usual cliches was he? He went out his way to dig out a journo

But what he actually said was so inoffensive, he didn’t “dig out” anyone. thats my point, I cannot genuinely believe there are actual grown adults literally turning on one player and not another for something so small.

Edited 13 August 2023 by Sampson

[lfu]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

Wait, did I just see Rodger’s number two in the Spurs dugout. This is just set up perfectly for failure 

Yeah, Chris Davies went to Spurs instead of returning to Celtic with Rodgers
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2023/june/coaching-staff-update/

[HighPeakFox]

9 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Are people really childish and easily offended enough to “dislike” a brilliant player for us because he wheeled out a couple of incredibly inoffensive media cliches.

Yes

[bongo92]

9 minutes ago, Sampson said:

What? As if there aren’t interviews of Barnes and every other player saying media cliches when we were in the relegation battle.

 

Are people really childish and easily offended enough to “dislike” a brilliant player for us because he wheeled out a couple of incredibly inoffensive media cliches.

I’ve given you an opinion or an explanation to peoples opinions. (They don’t have to match yours btw).

In my view fake media cliches (when their only interest is clearly in themselves) matched that of the players performances all season - spineless and weak. That’s not ‘childish’ to be annoyed about.

 

I agree with other comments about key moments of Maddison choking, but also agree that the relegation was the result of the team performance across a whole season rather that one player in one match.

 

[Big_Nige]

5 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Maddisons penalty against Everton was Unforgivable in my opinion. 

People miss penalties. It’s football. really don’t get the hate for any of our former players. Maybe Fofana at a push. As soon as someone leaves then personably I don’t really care what they do

[LFox99]

Madders with the armband, crikey

[weller54]

2 minutes ago, Big_Nige said:

People miss penalties. It’s football. really don’t get the hate for any of our former players. Maybe Fofana at a push. As soon as someone leaves then personably I don’t really care what they do

Of course penalties are missed.. Occasional mishit, good save by the keeper... Fair enough. 

But THAT penalty (which was absolutely crucial) showed his arrogance!!!! 

[Sampson]

5 minutes ago, bongo92 said:

I’ve given you an opinion or an explanation to peoples opinions. (They don’t have to match yours btw).

In my view fake media cliches (when their only interest is clearly in themselves) matched that of the players performances all season - spineless and weak. That’s not ‘childish’ to be annoyed about.

 

I agree with other comments about key moments of Maddison choking, but also agree that the relegation was the result of the team performance across a whole season rather that one player in one match.

 

It is childish though. Especially when it’s given more weight in those fans eyes than larking blood money from Newcastle who’d put many Leicester fans or their friends or family to death for being lgbt

 

In fact childish is far too nice a word for it. 

Edited 13 August 2023 by Sampson

[Viva]

23 minutes ago, Sampson said:

The completely different reaction to Barnes and Maddison here is utterly baffling to me.

 

Maddison was the better player for us. Barnes had the worse work rate and by all accounts worse work rate off the field.

 

Yet go to the Barnes thread and people say how much they want him to do well and then you see talk about Maddison and our fams are slaughtering him.
 

I really really don’t get it. it’s even more bizarre than the completely different reactions some of our fans give Mahrez in comparison to Kante

It is strange. Maddison had a far better season than Barnes. I know people will purely point to Barnes' goals, but aside from those I think he was poor last season. Maddison was always the one creative spark, trying to make something happen. Pathetic that some purely point to his couple of mistakes. 

I think he always tried his best, unlike some other players. 

 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Of course penalties are missed.. Occasional mishit, good save by the keeper... Fair enough. 

But THAT penalty (which was absolutely crucial) showed his arrogance!!!! 

Ah, the arrogance argument.

 

Not aimed at you, my friend, but people project arrogance onto others far too frequently.

[Levi Port]

After watching the level of the games Madison and Barnes have played in, and then ours yesterday, the drop off really is stark. 

[weller54]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Ah, the arrogance argument.

 

Not aimed at you, my friend, but people project arrogance onto others far too frequently.

What else was that option he decided on if it wasn't arrogance? 

Just asking.