US Presidential Election 2024

[grobyfox1990]

14 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yes, this topic means a lot to me, but if you're looking for a Masters level dissertation, then I apologise for lacking the time or the inclination to provide it.

 

However...

 

There will be a switch from renewable energy infrastructure building to increased extraction and burning of fossil fuels again. These will in turn contribute to increased carbon emissions and all that entails, which will represent the same risk the IPCC has been saying for years.

 

If you want to think Trump won't affect the climate any more negatively than Harris, then fair enough - I disagree and given your own expertise on the topic, I'd like to know your own reasoning, rather than persisting in asking for mine.

Maybe it's the accountant in me coming out, but with all the publicly available data out there, to have a position as fervent as yours, speak about it frequently on here and try and influence people to your way of thinking, I'd want some hard evidence to be convinced. The IPCC which you refer to and the IEA have some fantastic free scenario planning tools, you can easily map out the exact effect you think a Harris v Biden policy outlook will have.

I think people will be a lot more easily convinced by you if you did that, rather than simply repeating the world will end if Trump comes in and the people who vote for him are bad.

We've seen overnight that approach does not work

[Torquay Gunner]

Thing is you don't just get Trump, you also get his two idiot sons, his ‘loyal loving’ wife and grotesque Lara Trump. 

[grobyfox1990]

Just now, grobyfox1990 said:

Maybe it's the accountant in me coming out, but with all the publicly available data out there, to have a position as fervent as yours, speak about it frequently on here and try and influence people to your way of thinking, I'd want some hard evidence to be convinced. The IPCC which you refer to and the IEA have some fantastic free scenario planning tools, you can easily map out the exact effect you think a Harris v Biden policy outlook will have.

I think people will be a lot more easily convinced by you if you did that, rather than simply repeating the world will end if Trump comes in and the people who vote for him are bad.

We've seen overnight that approach does not work

Harris v Trump** Freudian slip. I've already deleted Orangeman out of my mind!!

[EastAnglianFox]

4 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

He smashed climate change agreements leading us closer to planetary catastrophe, destroyed women's rights by appointing ultra conservative judges, failed to react to Covid, allowed Putin to become enboldened and actually left the US economy in a worse position than he inherited without doing anything to help people in the rust belt that he promised. But he did make himself richer. 

He actually left many working class in a much better position, my family and many work colleagues were given opportunities that they’d never had access to previously including home ownership and employment opportunities.

 

He has earned their vote this time around, more than any other candidate previous.

 

 

[Tommy Fresh]

16 minutes ago, Otis said:

And so it starts.

 

What would you like them to do? "Get ****ed Donald, don't contact us"

 

I'd rather a different manager to Steve Cooper but whilst he's in charge I still want Leicester to win

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 minute ago, Otis said:

Probably yes. Your just rambling now.

 

No, I stated 4 things none of which you can refute. And Trump told the New  York courts his wealth had increased and he wasn't guilty of overstating that deliberately and fraudulently. But did lie then? PS. it's "you're". 

[urban.spaceman]

18 minutes ago, Otis said:

And so it starts.

 

I mean, that's far less of a back track than Trump's own VP, but OK.

[RYM]

Harris should bring on Jordan Ayew immediately 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Four more year of lols then.

 

What price he will try to change the two terms limit rule while in power?

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

3 minutes ago, EastAnglianFox said:

He actually left many working class in a much better position, my family and many work colleagues were given opportunities that they’d never had access to previously including home ownership and employment opportunities.

 

He has earned their vote this time around, more than any other candidate previous.

 

 

https://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/

[The Doctor]

42 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

I am hoping he keels over in the not too distant future from all that fast food he loves, imagine the state of his arteries.  Either that or he falls asleep on his tanning bed, think ‘ Final Destination’. 

The Sofa Shagger he's got as VP is no better though

[Otis]

7 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

What would you like them to do? "Get ****ed Donald, don't contact us"

 

I'd rather a different manager to Steve Cooper but whilst he's in charge I still want Leicester to win

Not be hypocrites,  but I suppose when it's in your DNA....

[Sir Steve Howard]

So the campaign based purely on "I'm not Trump" failed spectacularly?

I for one am shocked

[RowlattsFox]

What happens to the genuine, intelligent, good people in America? And why do they never reach the top end of American politics? They must be there somewhere? Probably just don't have the controversial personality or characteristics that get you the big jobs? 

 

I've not really followed the campaigns, as rightly or wrongly, I'm just not bothered enough. But I'm sick of politics being played out like two football rivals, that goes for voters and candidates, rather than uniting together for the good of a country. (not just a US thing, that's politics in general) What if you don't like Trump or Harris? Other than not voting, what's the alternative? 

 

 

[Lako42]

28 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And I'm sure all those women affected by the repeal of Roe v Wade, among others, think similarly.

A huge amount of them just voted for him...

[Otis]

12 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I mean, that's far less of a back track than Trump's own VP, but OK.

It's not a competition. 

[EastAnglianFox]

8 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

https://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/

Looks good for a read when I need to get to sleep later 😴 

 

For now I’ll keep listening to the folk closest to me and who’s lives improved during that time along with many others.

 

Good day

[urban.spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Otis said:

It's not a competition. 

And yet this morning, we have all lost. Hooray.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 minute ago, EastAnglianFox said:

Looks good for a read when I need to get to sleep later 😴 

 

For now I’ll keep listening to the folk closest to me and who’s lives improved during that time along with many others.

 

Good day

By all means, nurture your ignorance. It's what helps fascists and grifters to get by in life on the backs of others. 

[Sir Steve Howard]

5 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

What happens to the genuine, intelligent, good people in America? And why do they never reach the top end of American politics? They must be there somewhere? Probably just don't have the controversial personality or characteristics that get you the big jobs? 

 

I've not really followed the campaigns, as rightly or wrongly, I'm just not bothered enough. But I'm sick of politics being played out like two football rivals, that goes for voters and candidates, rather than uniting together for the good of a country. (not just a US thing, that's politics in general) What if you don't like Trump or Harris? Other than not voting, what's the alternative? 

 

 

Think most would be put off by the disgusting charade that politics is, you need serious narcissistic qualities to go high up in politics. Doubt many physicists at NASA would have any inclination to get involved for example

[David Hankey]

So, it appears the Yanks have replaced one old man with another.

 

What does that say for the younger generation?

[NasPb]

10 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

What happens to the genuine, intelligent, good people in America? And why do they never reach the top end of American politics? They must be there somewhere? Probably just don't have the controversial personality or characteristics that get you the big jobs? 

 

I've not really followed the campaigns, as rightly or wrongly, I'm just not bothered enough. But I'm sick of politics being played out like two football rivals, that goes for voters and candidates, rather than uniting together for the good of a country. (not just a US thing, that's politics in general) What if you don't like Trump or Harris? Other than not voting, what's the alternative? 

 

 

The American empire is dying. That's why. (thankfully) 

[Tommy Fresh]

14 minutes ago, Otis said:

Not be hypocrites,  but I suppose when it's in your DNA....

Yeah so you'd like them to have nothing to do with him?

[Otis]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

And yet this morning, we have all lost. Hooray.

Believe it or not, not everyone feels the same way.

[ClaphamFox]

Harris was always a terrible choice and a massive risk for the Democrats, but I hoped that prospect of Trump regaining power would persuade enough Americans in swing states to hold their noses and vote for her. Unfortunately it wasn't to be. Now we have four more years of this cognitively-impaired narcissistic thug in charge of the most powerful country in the world. Oh joy.