Cooper - OUT

[Nolucklcfc]

8 minutes ago, JimJams said:

We're rolling up to yet another international break, and as before I think that opens up a window to bring someone new in and give them a bit of time. As a result Cooper needs 3 points from the next 2 really.  Though I think if he scrapes 2 draws he'll be kept on.  A win against Ipswich and he's staying, regardless.  A draw and loss to Utd he'll be on thin ice.  2 draws I think will see him squeeze by.  If we lose to Ipswich but get a win at Old Trafford he'll definitely stay.  Assuming any loss to Ipswich isn't so bad that he gets the boot before the Man Utd game.

He won’t be in thin ice unless we get cut adrift 

[AjcW]

I'd assume the bloke is safe as houses unless there was a player revolt.

The league is absolute dog muck this year, we're already 2 wins ahead of 3 teams. 

 

Also only one win behind 2 teams who have spent hundreds of millions.

 

The football is horrific, the tactics are none existent, the defending is bone chilling.... but we've got 9 points  

Edited 1 November 2024 by AjcW

[Death by Football]

I don't know why we keep kidding ourselves he will be gone soon.  He won't be gone until February/March at the earliest I reckon.

I think I'm going to have a football hibernation and come back when he isn't here any more.

[AjcW]

We're going to get picked apart by Ipswich mind.... all you have to do is press us and we're ****ed  

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Death by Football said:

I don't know why we keep kidding ourselves he will be gone soon.  He won't be gone until February/March at the earliest I reckon.

I think I'm going to have a football hibernation and come back when he isn't here any more.

It will be entirely dependent on results. If we continue to stumble along without much of an identity but somehow picking up enough points here or there to keep us out of the bottom three, he won't be going anywhere. But if we lose a few on the spin and slip into the relegation zone, he'll be gone very quickly.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, AjcW said:

We're going to get picked apart by Ipswich mind.... all you have to do is press us and we're ****ed  

Luckily they aren't that good at the back either 

[Death by Football]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

It will be entirely dependent on results. If we continue to stumble along without much of an identity but somehow picking up enough points here or there to keep us out of the bottom three, he won't be going anywhere. But if we lose a few on the spin and slip into the relegation zone, he'll be gone very quickly.

This club doesn't do anything very quickly. Other than concede goals.

[AjcW]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Luckily they aren't that good at the back either 

Another 5-2 then?  

[Number 6]

I know a lot don't like him and want him to go but I don't know why that seems to come with a pessimism that they won't axe him. The Rodgers situation was the outlier, most other managers have only ever been a bad 5 or 6 games away from the sack.

 

Ranieri: 5 defeats without a goal

Shakespeare: no win in 6

Puel: lost 5 in 6

 

All had more goodwill built up than Cooper and none has the points deduction change in circumstance that Cooper has had.

 

On that basis the festive period looks most likely spot for Cooper to go imo: a tough November followed by Brighton, Newcastle, Wolves, Liverpool, Man City, and Villa. Plus we'd be going into a January where I'm expecting us to spend a bit with the points deduction threat dropped.

[Groby_Blue]

6 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I know a lot don't like him and want him to go but I don't know why that seems to come with a pessimism that they won't axe him. The Rodgers situation was the outlier, most other managers have only ever been a bad 5 or 6 games away from the sack.

 

Ranieri: 5 defeats without a goal

Shakespeare: no win in 6

Puel: lost 5 in 6

 

All had more goodwill built up than Cooper and none has the points deduction change in circumstance that Cooper has had.

 

On that basis the festive period looks most likely spot for Cooper to go imo: a tough November followed by Brighton, Newcastle, Wolves, Liverpool, Man City, and Villa. Plus we'd be going into a January where I'm expecting us to spend a bit with the points deduction threat dropped.

One word - Vichai. 

[Daggers]

 

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

nah, I've had multiple times going through Aldi and seeing strawberries already going furry on the shelves. Tends to vary by store but they're very hit and miss with fresh produce. 

 

Your local store manager must be a Mr Cooper, mine is a Mr Potter. Exemplary displays, well trained in-store team who all know their roles, producing the goods day in day out. You should complain and get your manager replaced.

[Number 6]

2 minutes ago, Groby_Blue said:

One word - Vichai. 

Well he didn't sack Puel.

[Groby_Blue]

Just now, Number 6 said:

Well he didn't sack Puel.

He may well have made the decision to before the disaster. 

 

The issue we have now is we have a board who don't know what they're doing and it's too easy to pull the wool over their eyes and baffle them with bullshit. Rodgers got away with it for ages. 

 

And Cooper talks a good game, he just rarely delivers one. So if he's telling them what they want to hear, he won't be going anywhere soon. 

[Number 6]

1 minute ago, Groby_Blue said:

He may well have made the decision to before the disaster. 

 

The issue we have now is we have a board who don't know what they're doing and it's too easy to pull the wool over their eyes and baffle them with bullshit. Rodgers got away with it for ages. 

 

And Cooper talks a good game, he just rarely delivers one. So if he's telling them what they want to hear, he won't be going anywhere soon. 

Depends on your definition of soon. I don't think he'd survive 6 defeats.

[FOXSE]

2 hours ago, LVFox said:

It would make me feel we had a good enough side to stay up despite of Cooper, rather than because of Cooper and he should still go.

 

I think there is a chance he stays all season and we stay up, but I think it's far greater if we changed him for anyone competent of tactically organising a team.

The best way to look at this season is a transition season. I think we have to play a certain way to just get over the line and stay up. Hopefully if we stay up we can review both the player and manager situation.

 

I think changing Cooper at this stage, given a reasonable points haul is probably counter productive.

[lcfcbluearmy]

6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Cooper isn't the only exception. A big issue for me is that they never look elsewhere than this Country. Even the foreign managers they have appointed have all worked in this Country at some point.

He's the only one in recent years though sousa being the only other one under these owners that has been a complete disaster.

 

Sousa - complete disaster sacked quickly

Sven - Did OK but spent alot of money and didn't get the success needed from the money spent, did bring in Schmeical though so that's a big positive

 

Pearson - Absolute Legend, promoted, great escape, built the squad that won us the league

 

Ranieri- Won us the league what more can I say

 

Shakespeare- gave us the night of our dreams in the Champions League and improved us after Ranieri left, should he have been given the job permanently probably not in hindsight but I don't blame the board for giving him a go after how well we did in his caretaker period

 

Puel - He wasn't great and underachieved but did have us as a stable top half team I think we finished 8th and 9th twice under him not sure without double checking. He also brought in and set up a really good squad to take us forward

 

Rodgers - Did brilliantly to start with won us the FA cup, should have been sacked 18 months earlier but he wasn't a bad appointment in the first place 

 

Smith - Tempory manager who improved us from the shambles we were under Rodgers probably would have kept us up if he had come in a game or 2 earlier

 

Maresca - Took a squad who were lost and without direction got them playing as a team and hot us promoted at the first opportunity

 

Cooper - Shit

 

 

So other than Cooper the only disaster was Sousa and he was sacked very quickly. 

 

I would agree however there manager search is generally uncreative and there are some very good managers abroad but I do also think the abroad= better thing gets plaid a bit to often and isn't always correct look at Ten hag at United for example.

 

This board have generally got their manager hiring decisions correct. There is plenty to critasise them for but I don't think this is one of them

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

3 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

He's the only one in recent years though sousa being the only other one under these owners that has been a complete disaster.

 

Sousa - complete disaster sacked quickly

Sven - Did OK but spent alot of money and didn't get the success needed from the money spent, did bring in Schmeical though so that's a big positive

 

Pearson - Absolute Legend, promoted, great escape, built the squad that won us the league

 

Ranieri- Won us the league what more can I say

 

Shakespeare- gave us the night of our dreams in the Champions League and improved us after Ranieri left, should he have been given the job permanently probably not in hindsight but I don't blame the board for giving him a go after how well we did in his caretaker period

 

Puel - He wasn't great and underachieved but did have us as a stable top half team I think we finished 8th and 9th twice under him not sure without double checking. He also brought in and set up a really good squad to take us forward

 

Rodgers - Did brilliantly to start with won us the FA cup, should have been sacked 18 months earlier but he wasn't a bad appointment in the first place 

 

Smith - Tempory manager who improved us from the shambles we were under Rodgers probably would have kept us up if he had come in a game or 2 earlier

 

Maresca - Took a squad who were lost and without direction got them playing as a team and hot us promoted at the first opportunity

 

Cooper - Shit

 

 

So other than Cooper the only disaster was Sousa and he was sacked very quickly. 

 

I would agree however there manager search is generally uncreative and there are some very good managers abroad but I do also think the abroad= better thing gets plaid a bit to often and isn't always correct look at Ten hag at United for example.

 

This board have generally got their manager hiring decisions correct. There is plenty to critasise them for but I don't think this is one of them

 

 

Dean Smith was a disaster, temporary or not - the bloke should've been nowhere near the club. Definitely more a slight on the board and the self-imposed restrictions they ended up placing on themselves rather than him, but he was way out of his depth and dropped points in a couple of very favourable games.

 

Sven also, god love him – was shit, wasn't he. Loan team of 10/11 was fun and he made some important signings but if Nige didn't clean up his mess there's every chance he and his tenure are looked at very very differently. Pearson getting us straight so quickly definitely prevented Sven's time here being very damaging. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

31 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Dean Smith was a disaster, temporary or not - the bloke should've been nowhere near the club. Definitely more a slight on the board and the self-imposed restrictions they ended up placing on themselves rather than him, but he was way out of his depth and dropped points in a couple of very favourable games.

 

Sven also, god love him – was shit, wasn't he. Loan team of 10/11 was fun and he made some important signings but if Nige didn't clean up his mess there's every chance he and his tenure are looked at very very differently. Pearson getting us straight so quickly definitely prevented Sven's time here being very damaging. 

I disagree about Dean Smith he had a disaster of a team to bring back together and got us playing better than we did under Rodgers.

 

But yes I probably was a bit kind on Sven

[CosbehFox]

I think you assess the managers they have appointed, you have to anchor it with who was in charge of recruitment. There’s a good pattern to go off and equally as these people

improved their reputation, they found a ceiling and went off for a new job. I think that’s telling at LCFC 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

17 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

I disagree about Dean Smith he had a disaster of a team to bring back together and got us playing better than we did under Rodgers.

 

But yes I probably was a bit kind on Sven

 

I don't disagree that we showed *slightly* more than Rodgers final throes (which isn't saying much) but if you judge the appointment as a thing then it was a disaster, because it should never have happened in the first instance.

[Shaun the fox 1]

We're is top we want cooper out now 

[Molson Canadian]

7 hours ago, LVFox said:

I'll happily change my mind on Cooper when we have a full match where we don't look horrific for a minimum of 30 minutes 

not holding my breath for that to happen. 

[FrankieADZ]

5 hours ago, AjcW said:

I'd assume the bloke is safe as houses unless there was a player revolt.

The league is absolute dog muck this year, we're already 2 wins ahead of 3 teams. 

 

Also only one win behind 2 teams who have spent hundreds of millions.

 

The football is horrific, the tactics are none existent, the defending is bone chilling.... but we've got 9 points  

with how honking we've been at times this season i honestly think this is a miracle at this stage

[tcrofts]

5 hours ago, Shaun the fox 1 said:

We're is top we want cooper out now 

You are is top

[Dahnsouff]

1. Win.
2. Get a proper DoF instead of a stable boy.
3. Cooper can stay until his magic dust wears off.

The order is critical.