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fox_up_north

fox_up_north

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41 minutes ago, Dunge said:

I really need to eat less meat as I eat a lot of it. As a notoriously picky eater though, I do struggle to find vegetarian meals that I like.

Do you cook for yourself? I found the easiest thing is just take meat out and replace it with something veg.

 

EG: Spag bol with mince, just take out the mince and put in more onion/ peas/ sweetcorn and don't be afraid to have some bread with it. 

 

Veggie days look like this;

 

Breakfast - toast/ porridge with fruit

 

Lunch - big fruity porridge/ egg sandwich/ quick omelette /

 

Dinner - pasta with sauce and real onions, mushrooms, peas

- veg curry

- veg chilli

- egg fried rice

- veg pizza if I'm feeling super lazy

 

I can get 3-4 days out of that rotation

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Pliskin

Pliskin

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On 20/10/2024 at 11:00, leicsmac said:

I'm sorry, but I have read citable data that directly contradicts this increase - meat consumption in the UK looks to have at most remained roughly stable over the last 50-60 years, and if anything decreased in the last 10-20.

 

It's entirely plausible processed red meats have a link to certain types of cancers - in fact, as you say, a correlation is pretty much evidence-based - but I still don't see the evidence for humans engaging in overall behaviour (product consumption, activity etc) more likely to give them cancers than at any other time in history.

 

And yeah, we've talked about stuff like this before - as someone interested in the environmental future of the planet, I know animal agriculture is an issue, but definitely not the biggest one and certainly one of the tougher ones to sort from a science communication/getting the idea across standpoint.

@SecretPro

 

The best person to refer to in this debate is on Dr. Layne Norton. 
 

He wrote a thesis on this exact topic, and he’s also helped conduct cohort studies in relation to this. 
 

Also a few other very credible nutritional experts have also taken part in studies to try and find a solid correlation between an increase of certain cancers and red meat consumption.

 

In general, the increased risk is so minimal is not considered an increased risk. I’m not qualified to really explain why, but with the likes of Layne Norton and others offering explanations I’d confidently say there is no real increased risk unless you decided to eat only red meat every day and nothing else… but any negative health implications from a diet like this is more likely going to be cause due to a lack of other products like fruit and veg, rather than the fact it’s only eating red meat.

 

In terms of diet, those more susceptible to contracting certain cancers will be more down to overall lifestyle choices, like drinking, smoking, not getting enough adequate exercise, not getting enough sleep and generally having poor diet consisting of high sat fat and sugar intake. The combination of all of that would place someone at more risk of contracting certain cancers than someone who was health seeking but also included animal products into their diets. 
 

In terms of Cancer, I think the increase is down to a massively increasing population, and better defection methods. Plus it comes in many different forms, for example I had an uncle who had a brain tumour, this wasn’t down to a lifestyle choice, it was something that was down to a genetically default within his body that caused him to develop it. So for example with Sir Chris Hoy, he’s an incredibly fit and healthy guy, his cancer reportedly stemmed from his prostate, which we know is an incredibly common cancer within men, so the likelihood is, even the fittest and healthiest of men can develop it, because it’s more of what I’d consider an genetic problem than a lifestyle problem. Being fit and healthy may help you in your fight against it however. 
 

Having said that about health, and the link between meat eating and illness actually being fairly weak, the same can’t be said for the environment. It is clear there is a direct correlation between the production of animal based products (namely for consumption), and the declining environment. I’d suggest it’s definitely more down to the sheer scale of the production that’s the issue…..

 

Its a big problem, being heavily into sport and leading an active lifestyle I rely on high quality proteins in my diet to assist my lifestyle choices, my main sources of protein come from whey, poultry, eggs, dairy and some fish (although I’m conscious of overtaking the seas). I try to be consider where I get my protein from, and I’m happier getting it from corn fed free roaming chicken sources. I haven’t eaten red mean for a fair few years, mainly because it’s one of the bigger contributors towards over farming and the impact on the environment. 
 

I think more people who live an active lifestyle and bother about their protein uptake would consider vegetarian or vegan alternatives if the quality of the protein strands could be addressed. Unfortunately, plant protein is not as impactive as animal based proteins. Mainly because they’re lacking in certain compounds compared to animal based protein, and it’s these compounds that yield the positive results. It probably will happen one day, with the rate science is advancing the food industry, it probably won’t be long until a healthy alternative is created, that stands up for entering of vigorous cohort studies, and yields the same results as its animal based products. When that happens, there will be no real reason to pick the animal passed product over a non animal based product…… 

 

It’s a developing process but it’s something that really needs addressing now, because the impact it could have could be both massive, and positive! 

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Wymsey

Wymsey

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35 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

The Letby Panorama tonight will be an interesting watch I think.

I get hounded on here for thinking that she is less guilty than what she has been charged for, but it seems like there are legitimate points towards her innocence.

 

Some things haven't added up during the trial.

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Dunge

Dunge

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1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

Do you cook for yourself? I found the easiest thing is just take meat out and replace it with something veg.

 

EG: Spag bol with mince, just take out the mince and put in more onion/ peas/ sweetcorn and don't be afraid to have some bread with it. 

 

Veggie days look like this;

 

Breakfast - toast/ porridge with fruit

 

Lunch - big fruity porridge/ egg sandwich/ quick omelette /

 

Dinner - pasta with sauce and real onions, mushrooms, peas

- veg curry

- veg chilli

- egg fried rice

- veg pizza if I'm feeling super lazy

 

I can get 3-4 days out of that rotation

Curries and chilli are out for me. And mushrooms. But egg fried rice sounds like something I could look into.

bovril

bovril

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12 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Other vegetables are available

My favourite vegetable is definitely the aubergine (not technically a vegetable I know). Would be interested to hear foxestalkers' favourite vegetables. 

Dunge

Dunge

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10 minutes ago, bovril said:

My favourite vegetable is definitely the aubergine (not technically a vegetable I know). Would be interested to hear foxestalkers' favourite vegetables. 

I get the feeling I’m not going to be allowed Potato.

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Dunge

Dunge

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3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm curious if there's a reason for them to feel guilty about this particular matter.

Bloke clearly incited violence as far as I see.

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bovril

bovril

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Just now, Dunge said:

I get the feeling I’m not going to be allowed Potato.

Like aubergine, the potato is culturally a vegetable imo.

Paninistickers

Paninistickers

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6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm curious if there's a reason for them to feel guilty about this particular matter.

His sentence wasn't about individual justice. It was political.

 

His crime under ordinary circumstances might attract a suspended sentence or community order. 2 years 8 months imprisonment was grotesquely disproportionate to the crime. 

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bovril

bovril

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1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

His sentence wasn't about individual justice. It was political.

 

His crime under ordinary circumstances might attract a suspended sentence or community order. 2 years 8 months imprisonment was grotesquely disproportionate to the crime. 

I agree with you but I think you need to point out he's died in prison, which wasn't in the link you posted.

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Paninistickers

Paninistickers

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2 minutes ago, bovril said:

I agree with you but I think you need to point out he's died in prison, which wasn't in the link you posted.

Haha, yup, thanks for the heads up. Yes, he died in custody was what I was trying to link!

leicsmac

leicsmac

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8 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

His sentence wasn't about individual justice. It was political.

 

His crime under ordinary circumstances might attract a suspended sentence or community order. 2 years 8 months imprisonment was grotesquely disproportionate to the crime. 

I think that the extremes of both sides of the political spectrum are feeling the heat when they bring things out into the open now in the forms of these sentences. How one feels about that is clearly subjective, but I can see why someone buys into the idea of a political motive.

 

It's tragic that the man died in custody - I just hope that he finds more peace afterwards than existed in his life before.

Dunge

Dunge

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13 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

His sentence wasn't about individual justice. It was political.

 

His crime under ordinary circumstances might attract a suspended sentence or community order. 2 years 8 months imprisonment was grotesquely disproportionate to the crime. 

It was political in the sense that he was directly inciting public disorder and you have to stamp down on that if you want to maintain order in society.

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Paninistickers

Paninistickers

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4 minutes ago, Dunge said:

It was political in the sense that he was directly inciting public disorder and you have to stamp down on that if you want to maintain order in society.

Yeah, I agree. The sentences dished out are deterrent and about maintaining public order. 

 

Just not convinced that's right or fair. 

 

Put it like this,.if I was directly responsible for sending to prison a silly old man who got carried away whilst waving placard about NASA and thr deep state, I'd feel a bit sheepish tonight

Dunge

Dunge

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2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Yeah, I agree. The sentences dished out are deterrent and about maintaining public order. 

 

Just not convinced that's right or fair. 

 

Put it like this,.if I was directly responsible for sending to prison a silly old man who got carried away whilst waving placard about NASA and thr deep state, I'd feel a bit sheepish tonight

If it had just been protesting about NASA and the deep state, I’d agree. But he was actively partaking in riots and shouting “child killers” about a group of immigrants who blatantly had nothing to do with what happened in Merseyside.

 

Obviously you don’t want the bloke to die in prison. It wasn’t a death sentence. But he made his own bed.

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jgtuk

jgtuk

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4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Yeah, I agree. The sentences dished out are deterrent and about maintaining public order. 

 

Just not convinced that's right or fair. 

 

Put it like this,.if I was directly responsible for sending to prison a silly old man who got carried away whilst waving placard about NASA and thr deep state, I'd feel a bit sheepish tonight

From what I could see he was also a racist inciting violence, I wouldn’t call that being a silly old man. For reference, wasn’t there a JSO organiser jailed for 5 years a while back? I didn’t see many people upset about that. 

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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

Other vegetables are available

Thought this was the team selection thread for a moment.

Wymsey

Wymsey

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3 hours ago, SecretPro said:

The Letby Panorama tonight will be an interesting watch I think.

Did you watch it?

If so, was there any surprising findings?

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