Sampson Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Absolutely think Europe should be creating its own alliance system separate from NATO now, offering Canada, Australia and NZ membership too. Genuinely don’t trust the US to stand up to Russia or democratic values one bit right now. You just know Farage types would be screaming about creating a European army though. 2
Salisbury Fox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 2 hours ago, Sampson said: Absolutely think Europe should be creating its own alliance system separate from NATO now, offering Canada, Australia and NZ membership too. Genuinely don’t trust the US to stand up to Russia or democratic values one bit right now. You just know Farage types would be screaming about creating a European army though. It would take decades to develop the capabilities that European armies do not posses due to a reliance on NATO. It would also require a significant increase in Defence budgets which is unlikely to be palpable in the short term. 1
Paninistickers Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 3 hours ago, Sampson said: Absolutely think Europe should be creating its own alliance system separate from NATO now I say this as a pro European 'remainer'....but a euro defence force would be right up there with chocolate fireguards. The only countries you'd trust to have your back in Europe in any kind of military war are France (!) - for its hardware rather than muscle - and Poland. Remember the Dutch in the 90s? stood by in srebrenica and allowed a slaughter of women and children. That's what any euro force would be like.
WigstonWanderer Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 11 hours ago, Sly said: Trump is a loose cannon. Musk is a loose cannon. It’s like two evil Super villains in a Marvel movie trying to co-exist. One will turn on the other, eventually. Musk gradually turning into a real life Dr Evil
leicsmac Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 1 minute ago, WigstonWanderer said: Musk gradually turning into a real life Dr Evil Nah, Ted Faro 30 years early. 1
Popular Post Muzzy_no7 Posted 4 January Popular Post Posted 4 January *browsing this thread for a few minutes for the usual pick-me-up after we’ve lost, again.* 6
leicsmac Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 7 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said: *browsing this thread for a few minutes for the usual pick-me-up after we’ve lost, again.* 1
String fellow Posted 4 January Posted 4 January The amber weather warning for snow - shouldn't that be a white warning?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 4 hours ago, leicsmac said: Nah, Ted Faro 30 years early. That's gonna be lost to most people here.
leicsmac Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 3 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: That's gonna be lost to most people here. Absolutely, but the resemblance in terms of status and character is uncanny. 1
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Just now, leicsmac said: Absolutely, but the resemblance in terms of status and character is uncanny. Yep, the archetypal corporate mind that believes that because something can be done, then it should be. Always looking forward and never back at past mistakes (and therefore never learning or correcting them). 1
leicsmac Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Yep, the archetypal corporate mind that believes that because something can be done, then it should be. Always looking forward and never back at past mistakes (and therefore never learning or correcting them). ...with the ego and obsession with legacy that means that they never accept responsibility for their failures and would rather future generations live in ignorance than know how badly they messed up.
Dunge Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 50 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Absolutely, but the resemblance in terms of status and character is uncanny. That’s probably because Ted Faro was based on Elon Musk tbf. 2
Jon the Hat Posted 5 January Posted 5 January (edited) 11 hours ago, Salisbury Fox said: It would take decades to develop the capabilities that European armies do not posses due to a reliance on NATO. It would also require a significant increase in Defence budgets which is unlikely to be palpable in the short term. It'll be palatable pretty bloody quickly when Russia invades the baltic states. Edited 5 January by Jon the Hat 1
Jon the Hat Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 11 hours ago, Paninistickers said: I say this as a pro European 'remainer'....but a euro defence force would be right up there with chocolate fireguards. The only countries you'd trust to have your back in Europe in any kind of military war are France (!) - for its hardware rather than muscle - and Poland. Remember the Dutch in the 90s? stood by in srebrenica and allowed a slaughter of women and children. That's what any euro force would be like. And Finland. The Fins have **** loads of artillery and national service and zero intention of becoming a vassal of Russia again. Also fortunately Poland realised NATO was shakey in about 2012 and have massively increased military spending. 3
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January It would be nice if this morning Laura K asks Farage at least one question along the lines of "do you believe the scientific consensus on climate change and vaccination is both correct and should drive Reform policymaking, and if not, why?" Bonus points for: "do you think the actions of the current President-elect on January 6th 2021 were justified and how do you think his current comments and policy ideas should affect UK policy decision making?"
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January ... also, if there is another sufficiently advanced species watching what we are getting up to now, I have no doubt they'd be laughing whatever the equivalent of their arses is off.
Robo61 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 51 minutes ago, leicsmac said: It would be nice if this morning Laura K asks Farage at least one question along the lines of "do you believe the scientific consensus on climate change and vaccination is both correct and should drive Reform policymaking, and if not, why?" Bonus points for: "do you think the actions of the current President-elect on January 6th 2021 were justified and how do you think his current comments and policy ideas should affect UK policy decision making?" No chance of that because the current BBC believes they have to give balance to all scientific views no matter where those views come from. 1
Sampson Posted 5 January Posted 5 January (edited) 13 minutes ago, Robo61 said: No chance of that because the current BBC believes they have to give equal balance to all views no matter where those views come from or if they are grounded in science and logic or not. Fixed that for you Edited 5 January by Sampson 2
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, Sampson said: Fixed that for you *insert MGS2 screed about proliferation of digital information and where it would lead our species here*
grobyfox1990 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: It would be nice if this morning Laura K asks Farage at least one question along the lines of "do you believe the scientific consensus on climate change and vaccination is both correct and should drive Reform policymaking, and if not, why?" Bonus points for: "do you think the actions of the current President-elect on January 6th 2021 were justified and how do you think his current comments and policy ideas should affect UK policy decision making?" Farage is way too smart to bat off those two gentle seamers, and at the same time get his army of forgotten Tory voters of a certain age mobilised. Need to hit him with a head height Beamer on the subjects to get him. Ie - how much ****** money is the changing climate costing you and your disciples NOW. And how does that compare decade on decade. 1
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 5 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Farage is way too smart to bat off those two gentle seamers, and at the same time get his army of forgotten Tory voters of a certain age mobilised. Need to hit him with a head height Beamer on the subjects to get him. Ie - how much ****** money is the changing climate costing you and your disciples NOW. And how does that compare decade on decade. If you can indeed link it to actual financial damage that way as a follow on question, that would bee a good one, yes.
Zear0 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Just as a I made peace with the prospect of a Trump victory before he got back in, I'm doing the same for Farage. Sadly the latter will require a bit more time and effort.
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