Sampson Posted 5 January Posted 5 January (edited) 13 minutes ago, Zear0 said: Just as a I made peace with the prospect of a Trump victory before he got back in, I'm doing the same for Farage. Sadly the latter will require a bit more time and effort. I’m still in the depression phase of grief about western values of liberal democracy being on their last legs sadly. But I’m starting to reach acceptance. If it was just the uk or Farage and Trump I think I’d go out and campaign against them, but it’s the whole of Europe, North America and Australasia trending this way and not just one or two leaders and feels too big and unstoppable at this point. Edited 5 January by Sampson 1
Zear0 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 4 minutes ago, Sampson said: I’m still in the depression phase of grief about western values of liberal democracy being on their last legs sadly. But I’m starting to reach acceptance. If it was just the uk and Farage and Trump I think I’d go out and campaign against them, but it’s the whole of Europe, North America and Australasia trending this way and not just one or two leaders and feels too unstoppable at this point. Cost of living has turned the world on it's head. People feel it in their pockets and look at someone to blame.
bovril Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 13 minutes ago, Zear0 said: Cost of living has turned the world on it's head. People feel it in their pockets and look at someone to blame. In western Europe I don't think it's much more complicated than people wanting less migration. 1
bungy Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 hour ago, Sampson said: I’m still in the depression phase of grief about western values of liberal democracy being on their last legs sadly. But I’m starting to reach acceptance. If it was just the uk or Farage and Trump I think I’d go out and campaign against them, but it’s the whole of Europe, North America and Australasia trending this way and not just one or two leaders and feels too big and unstoppable at this point. It’s a shame this did happen 20 years ago! The place’s you mentioned above wouldn’t be in the mess they’re in today. Maybe it’s people finally waking up to the situation. Unfortunately it’s too late. Hopefully I’m wrong. Cheer up though…. It’s the 20th soon!
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 40 minutes ago, Zear0 said: Just as a I made peace with the prospect of a Trump victory before he got back in, I'm doing the same for Farage. Sadly the latter will require a bit more time and effort. 33 minutes ago, Sampson said: I’m still in the depression phase of grief about western values of liberal democracy being on their last legs sadly. But I’m starting to reach acceptance. If it was just the uk or Farage and Trump I think I’d go out and campaign against them, but it’s the whole of Europe, North America and Australasia trending this way and not just one or two leaders and feels too big and unstoppable at this point. Don't throw in the towel just yet. There is still time, and still a chance, to avert at least the worst consequences of what might come. 8 minutes ago, bovril said: In western Europe I don't think it's much more complicated than people wanting less migration. Assuming that is so, is there a more complex scheme in mind than "pull up the "drawbridge and abandon then to their fate"? Simply addressing the consequences of a problem without focusing on the causes of that problem itself doesn't really get us anywhere. 26 minutes ago, bungy said: It’s a shame this did happen 20 years ago! The place’s you mentioned above wouldn’t be in the mess they’re in today. Maybe it’s people finally waking up to the situation. Unfortunately it’s too late. Hopefully I’m wrong. Cheer up though…. It’s the 20th soon! I'm curious as to what the problem is that it's too late for and how global ethnonationalism posited by the likes of Farage, Trump, Putin, Orban and Musk, with all the conflict, death and suffering that inevitably brings about, goes any way to addressing it not only ethically, but practically. We are all one species and acting like it on some matters is a matter of necessity, after all.
Salisbury Fox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 2 hours ago, bovril said: In western Europe I don't think it's much more complicated than people wanting less migration. Agreed. There is always going to be many who perceive that their way of life, culture and values are being challenged with such large numbers arriving year on year. In the UK, it was possible to keep a lid on it when we were in the EU for the most part as there was growth to support the case that immigration was a net positive. Now growth across the whole continent is low or nonexistent coupled with existing resources being stretched, it’s a much more challenging argument to win. Those who feel that once the older generation die off views will change are fooling themselves as it’s such an easy message to sell that many younger people believe that there are simple solutions to complex problems.
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, Salisbury Fox said: Agreed. There is always going to be many who perceive that their way of life, culture and values are being challenged with such large numbers arriving year on year. In the UK, it was possible to keep a lid on it when we were in the EU for the most part as there was growth to support the case that immigration was a net positive. Now growth across the whole continent is low or nonexistent coupled with existing resources being stretched, it’s a much more challenging argument to win. Those who feel that once the older generation die off views will change are fooling themselves as it’s such an easy message to sell that many younger people believe that there are simple solutions to complex problems. The voting pattern statistics bear this out for the most part, more's the pity. But that doesn't mean that there doesn't need to be a non-simple solution to this very complex problem.
Zear0 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, Bilo said: Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bloody moderate
leicsmac Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 7 minutes ago, Bilo said: Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ah, creative differences between UK and US right wingers illustrated. 1
Sampson Posted 5 January Posted 5 January I would love to laugh but I’m worried this all means Musk is going to throw his weight behind Tommy Robinson becoming leader.
Sly Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 10 minutes ago, Bilo said: Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I was just coming to post this! That friendship lasted long.
Sly Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Just now, Sampson said: I would love to laugh but I’m worried this all means Musk is going to throw his weight behind Tommy Robinson becoming leader. They’ll nose dive if they do. As much as I dislike Farage and what he generally stands for, you can’t disagree he’s a good statesperson.
Bilo Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Looks like that $100m cheque might have more bounce than a trampoline. 😂
The Horse's Mouth Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 5 minutes ago, Sampson said: I would love to laugh but I’m worried this all means Musk is going to throw his weight behind Tommy Robinson becoming leader. It would be a good thing if you wanted the reform party to fail, don’t matter what the backing Robinson wouldn’t get the votes. Can’t imagine he’d want to do it either
Nalis Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 16 minutes ago, Bilo said: Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I went into the rabbit hole of responses to that tweet and I feel like I've used up my quota of badshit internet for 2025 already. 1
Bilo Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 3 minutes ago, Sampson said: I would love to laugh but I’m worried this all means Musk is going to throw his weight behind Tommy Robinson becoming leader. 2 minutes ago, Sly said: They’ll nose dive if they do. As much as I dislike Farage and what he generally stands for, you can’t disagree he’s a good statesperson. This ultimately shows that Musk knows bugger all about UK politics. Without Farage, Reform are a footnote. They possibly win Leeanderthal's seat in Ashfield and perhaps Tice’s seat in Lincolnshire, but they absolutely do not reap the rewards of Labour's unpopularity in government. As much as I despise Farage and all he stands for, he's charismatic and a strong speaker. Right-wing populists love him and will be far more loyal to him than Musk or anyone else they see as his puppet. Robinson is loved primarily by people who think Farage isn't extreme enough, essentially people who completely repulse the very people any party needs to even be a force in a General Election, let alone win it. A Tommy Robinson moulded Reform loses all five seats at the next GE and Kemi Badenoch wouldn't be able to believe her luck. 1
blabyboy Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 9 minutes ago, Bilo said: Looks like that $100m cheque might have more bounce than a trampoline. 😂 I'm sure Nick Candy can still write a sizeable cheque in lieu of Musk.
Bilo Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, blabyboy said: I'm sure Nick Candy can still write a sizeable cheque in lieu of Musk. 'So Holly, what was it that first attracted you to the billionaire Nick Candy?' 1 1
Sampson Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 16 minutes ago, Sly said: They’ll nose dive if they do. As much as I dislike Farage and what he generally stands for, you can’t disagree he’s a good statesperson. I’m glad others are optimistic. In early 2016 I probably would’ve felt the same. Sadly, I’ve heard enough variations of “don’t worry, people won’t actually vote for it” over the past 8 years to feel a lot less confident. 4
Skidmark Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Elon Musk is on some sort of Asperger's obsessive crusade. X is now unusable, it's full of right wing, left wing bollocks, and all I want to do is see what people are saying about the footy. Yes Britain is a chronic mess and it is incredibly depressing, but everything else you see online is just making it worse now. 3
Clogger_ Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 24 minutes ago, Sly said: They’ll nose dive if they do. As much as I dislike Farage and what he generally stands for, you can’t disagree he’s a good statesperson. Haha Sly, I'd suggest that NF is the complete opposite of a "good statesperson"...
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