leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 36 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: Imagine a German or Japanese artist feeling the need to apologise for something they had nothing to do with. Imagine a German or Japanese citizen (artist or otherwise) seeing the ethos that represents the very darkest part of their nations history on the resurgence, largely because people either ignore history that they had nothing to do with or are hellbent on repeating it because they want something to do with it now. 3
Popular Post leicsmac Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 3 minutes ago, Bilo said: I said yesterday that this is wilful misinformation to the point of being libel that could well be damaging and harmful to people. But thanks to legal loopholes, such wilful misinformation is allowed to stand and such harm is allowed to be caused as a result of it. Then some folks stand around looking so surprised that the harm and damage occurred. 5
urban.spaceman Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 12 minutes ago, Bilo said: Nigel Farage is an evil lying ****. 3
Otis Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Reeves out. She's destroying the country. https://news.sky.com/story/wage-growth-and-jobless-rate-rising-13293375 3
Foxdiamond Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 27 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Imagine a German or Japanese citizen (artist or otherwise) seeing the ethos that represents the very darkest part of their nations history on the resurgence, largely because people either ignore history that they had nothing to do with or are hellbent on repeating it because they want something to do with it now. Or just virtue signalling 1
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said: Or just virtue signalling Would you mind unpacking this one a little more, please? 1
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said: Or just virtue signalling It's a cultural cringe that white Anglo-Saxons have developed in recent years. 2
Foxdiamond Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 7 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Would you mind unpacking this one a little more, please? Bovril beat me to it
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 2 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: Bovril beat me to it Ah. Then I would add that said cultural cringe changes nothing about the fact that if folks don't acknowledge history and take due action, then it is repeated either through ignorance or malice. 3
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Just now, leicsmac said: Ah. Then I would add that said cultural cringe changes nothing about the fact that if folks don't acknowledge history and take due action, then it is repeated either through ignorance or malice. I somehow doubt GB is going to colonise 1/3 of the whole world even if people here don't acknowledge the fact it once happened. 3 1
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 minutes ago, bovril said: I somehow doubt GB is going to colonise 1/3 of the whole world even if people here don't acknowledge the fact it once happened. Undoubtedly so, but the post I responded to referenced German and Japanese sentiments on the matter. Yes, I get the response here and this one scenario is pretty damn cringy, but pardon me for not being so dismissive of any acknowledgement of historical atrocities from any nation when the same sentiment responsible for it is on the rise - rapidly - again, in many places. 2
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 5 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Yes, I get the response here and this one scenario is pretty damn cringy, but pardon me for not being so dismissive of any acknowledgement of historical atrocities from any nation when the same sentiment responsible for it is on the rise - rapidly - again, in many places. I'm a little confused by what you're trying to say here but the 'sentiment' on the rise globally, which I think you're referring to, is a lot closer to the rise in nationalism and fascism of the early 20th century, which is not the sentiment behind European empires. Those two things were very often in opposition. The liberal interventionism of Clinton and Bush era America was arguably a lot closer to 19th/20th century European empires in my opinion.
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 minutes ago, bovril said: I'm a little confused by what you're trying to say here but the 'sentiment' on the rise globally, which I think you're referring to, is a lot closer to the rise in nationalism and fascism of the early 20th century, which is not the sentiment behind European empires. Those two things were very often in opposition. The liberal interventionism of Clinton and Bush era America was arguably a lot closer to 19th/20th century European empires in my opinion. I think it was a proto nationalism (certainly a belief in national/tribal superiority) that was (and is) a key driver of imperialism, but that's a big debate that might need another thread. Suffice it to say for now that yes, that sentiment of nationalist superiority is what I'm referring to. If that's not felt to be linked to colonial sentiment in opinion, then fair enough.
Jon the Hat Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 6 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I think it was a proto nationalism (certainly a belief in national/tribal superiority) that was (and is) a key driver of imperialism, but that's a big debate that might need another thread. Suffice it to say for now that yes, that sentiment of nationalist superiority is what I'm referring to. If that's not felt to be linked to colonial sentiment in opinion, then fair enough. That’s an interesting point. Certainly that was behind some colonial activities but I suspect they were riding on the coattails of military power and greed. 1
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 11 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I think it was a proto nationalism (certainly a belief in national/tribal superiority) that was (and is) a key driver of imperialism, but that's a big debate that might need another thread. Yes it was an element, but it was nationalism that helped end empire as well. I think MAGA contains a little of both strands - the we the chosen people must conquer Mars imperialism of Musk and the free-trade and open-borders are bad for the American people nationalism of Bannon. I think that tension has existed in most imperial metropoles before America. Edited 21 January by bovril 1
Wymsey Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) Is anyone else concerned that with the thousands of new houses the government wants in constructing/going to construct, that there may be potentially a lack of sites to make food for the population etc?.. Edited 21 January by Wymsey 2
Bilo Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 2 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Is anyone else concerned that with the thousands of new houses the government wants in constructing/going to construct, that they may be potentially a lack of sites to make food for the population etc?.. Not really as they aren't planning on using the green belt as it is currently understood. There are many sites currently designated as 'green belt' that are actually overgrown wasteland or have derelict buildings in them, think Filbert Street in a rural or semi-rural setting, that have been blocked from development. 1
Dunge Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Having watched Musk’s gesture and read the debates, I’d say: - Is he deliberately and knowingly doing something that looks like a Nazi salute? Yes. He even pauses and sets himself before doing it. - Is this a direct backing of Nazi ideology? I’m not convinced. The guy shows no evidence of having any ideology. None of the Grand Row of Billionaires nor Donald Trump do. They just want to look important and powerful and understand how to whip up the sentiment to their advantage. Essentially, they think they’re in control of it, and it clearly upset Musk when the nutters threatened to turn on him a few weeks ago when he spoke out in favour of certain immigration - he’s been trying to get them back on side ever since. It actually suggests he’s scared of the army he’s mobilised. - He will also argue plausible deniability. Of course it wasn’t a Nazi salute, he says. You libtards are so sensitive. And so he plays to his base as The Edgelord. These people aren’t interested in really running a country or doing good for society. They don’t have morals, either good or bad. I think there’s an argument to say that it’s best that it stays that way, because it’s better this than people who believe in something terrible. Regardless, I think it all shows that what still energises them, even after winning an election comprehensively, is having someone or something to fight against, to defeat. As others say, it’s surely only a matter of time before they turn on each other. 2
Otis Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 8 minutes ago, Bilo said: Not really as they aren't planning on using the green belt as it is currently understood. There are many sites currently designated as 'green belt' that are actually overgrown wasteland or have derelict buildings in them, think Filbert Street in a rural or semi-rural setting, that have been blocked from development. No entirely true. For example there's no "Green belt" land at all in Leicestershire. But many agricultural fields that are now going through the planning stages for housing.
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 3 minutes ago, Dunge said: Having watched Musk’s gesture and read the debates, I’d say: - Is he deliberately and knowingly doing something that looks like a Nazi salute? Yes. He even pauses and sets himself before doing it. - Is this a direct backing of Nazi ideology? I’m not convinced. The guy shows no evidence of having any ideology. None of the Grand Row of Billionaires nor Donald Trump do. They just want to look important and powerful and understand how to whip up the sentiment to their advantage. Essentially, they think they’re in control of it, and it clearly upset Musk when the nutters threatened to turn on him a few weeks ago when he spoke out in favour of certain immigration - he’s been trying to get them back on side ever since. It actually suggests he’s scared of the army he’s mobilised. - He will also argue plausible deniability. Of course it wasn’t a Nazi salute, he says. You libtards are so sensitive. And so he plays to his base as The Edgelord. These people aren’t interested in really running a country or doing good for society. They don’t have morals, either good or bad. I think there’s an argument to say that it’s best that it stays that way, because it’s better this than people who believe in something terrible. Regardless, I think it all shows that what still energises them, even after winning an election comprehensively, is having someone or something to fight against, to defeat. As others say, it’s surely only a matter of time before they turn on each other. This would of course be the best possible outcome, but it might be good if it were sure to happen, and happen quick.
Dunge Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: This would of course be the best possible outcome, but it might be good if it were sure to happen, and happen quick. Keep saying “President Musk”. That’ll make it happen.
kenny Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 22 minutes ago, Bilo said: Not really as they aren't planning on using the green belt as it is currently understood. There are many sites currently designated as 'green belt' that are actually overgrown wasteland or have derelict buildings in them, think Filbert Street in a rural or semi-rural setting, that have been blocked from development. Not looking at the sites we are seeing come through. Leicester City has had its housing targets slashed and the housing pushed out into the county.
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