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Very, very good analysis. 

 

Fixing it shouldn't be as tricky as Cooper is making it. What I can't understand is we made the Winks, Skipp, Ndidi midfield work against Palace. The obvious thing to do is to keep that spine. Then you play Mavididi and Fatawu. 

 

Later in games you switch Ndidi and Vardy for one of the new 10s and Édouard. If winning you can pull a winger for Ayew and Reid. If chasing the game you sacrifice a full back. 

 

My fear is Cooper will stubbornly play Ayew because he is the boss. I've have no problems with this if we didn't have Fatawu and a strong midfield spine (Palace). The full backs need to sit and defend with Winks. 

 

Raneri worked this out. I can see parallels. 

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6 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Our underlying data stinks. It suggests we have acutally outperformed our expected results because of chances created and given up. This is scary to see.

As always fabulous work really enjoy reading the breakdowns!

 

This particular bit is the concern, we are extremely efficient in the small windows we play well, that will regress as its impossible to maintain all season. Playing poorly and just about getting away with it and we still dont have a win....feels like the worst is yet to come, and this is the honeymoon period...we are lucky to have Mads in goal who has kept us in games. 

 

We can't move cooper on quick enough imo, but I think some will need to see that regression play out before realising it.

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Great Analysis again. However you mention the fact we had momentum in the 2nd half without actually looking like an attacking threat and failed to use our subs again, but like Spurs the game was only not out of sight at this point because of the oppositions poor finishing and in fact it turned out to be a lucky point

 

We knew Everton would be struggling at Full Back so why we did not start Fatawu instead of Ayew - only Cooper will know (add that to the list with tactics, Ricci superglued to a bench and sending Vestegaard back to the naughty step)

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10 minutes ago, beepee1984 said:

Great Analysis again. However you mention the fact we had momentum in the 2nd half without actually looking like an attacking threat and failed to use our subs again, but like Spurs the game was only not out of sight at this point because of the oppositions poor finishing and in fact it turned out to be a lucky point

 

We knew Everton would be struggling at Full Back so why we did not start Fatawu instead of Ayew - only Cooper will know (add that to the list with tactics, Ricci superglued to a bench and sending Vestegaard back to the naughty step)

Yep fair point. This video already ran to an hour, but for sure, Calvert-Lewin had a fantastic opportunity to win the game for Everton which I glossed over!

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Great work as always, but I like to point out that BEK being somewhat ineffective as you said and him having to drop deep is actually a symptom of what we have been discussing previously. Ndidi. Ndidi is simply not a good build up player - Skipp is so much better in this regard. As a result the left mid often has a hole to fill which is why BEK felt he needed to drop back. But it means he is not higher up as he should be. Despite Ndidi playing ok, this weakness of his cannot be overstated. He makes Winks and the left side of midfield much less effective, but it is easy to focus on Winks, BEK and those around Ndidi. His weakness has already been well said and demonstrated in the past so there is no need to repeat here.

 

Ndidi, if he is to be used, can only be used as an AM.

 

 

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Might be worth a thread in its own, but what is our strongest starting line up? We all seem to be adamant that Cooper is wrong. But I doubt we all consider others' versions correct either. I think my 'strongest', balanced line up wouldn't have many takers tbh; 

 

Mads 

 

JJ or Ricky (dependent on form) 

VK

Faes or Vesty (again on depends form and oppo) 

Okoli 

 

Winks and Skipp

 

Abdul, Wilf, Mavididi 

 

Buonnotte as a false 9

 

....McAteer, Hamza, Ayew, Vards, Iversen, Bilal plus 2 of above on bench 

 

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4 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Great work as always, but I like to point out that BEK being somewhat ineffective as you said and him having to drop deep is actually a symptom of what we have been discussing previously. Ndidi. Ndidi is simply not a good build up player - Skipp is so much better in this regard. As a result the left mid often has a hole to fill which is why BEK felt he needed to drop back. But it means he is not higher up as he should be. Despite Ndidi playing ok, this weakness of his cannot be overstated. He makes Winks and the left side of midfield much less effective, but it is easy to focus on Winks, BEK and those around Ndidi. His weakness has already been well said and demonstrated in the past so there is no need to repeat here.

 

Ndidi, if he is to be used, can only be used as an AM.

 

 

Fair points. Cooper is trying to use the second CDM next to Winks in a hybrid role, and not just as someone who is next to Winks throughout the game. IMO this is one reason why Winks has not looked as good this season. Maresca use to do this at times too, but he did it against teams that parked the bus like Preston, where he asked Ricardo to push up to become a third 8. For what it's worth, I agree that Ndidi is better when he focuses on just box crashing.

 

3 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Absolutely embarrassing.

 

They had a CM at RB.

 

A pensioner at LB.

 

And we didn’t have a go.

 

PooperOUT

You genuinely couldn't ask for a team to be in more shambles than Everton were / are. A confident manager goes for that game, beats them by 3 or 4 and gets their manager sacked.

 

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Might be worth a thread in its own, but what is our strongest starting line up? We all seem to be adamant that Cooper is wrong. But I doubt we all consider others' versions correct either. I think my 'strongest', balanced line up wouldn't have many takers tbh; 

 

Mads 

 

JJ or Ricky (dependent on form) 

VK

Faes or Vesty (again on depends form and oppo) 

Okoli 

 

Winks and Skipp

 

Abdul, Wilf, Mavididi 

 

Buonnotte as a false 9

 

....McAteer, Hamza, Ayew, Vards, Iversen, Bilal plus 2 of above on bench 

 

Yeah could be worth a thread on it's own. For me the key is that Kristiansen should not be starting, Ricardo should come in, and one of Fatawu or Buonanotte (or both) should be in the team without taking out Mavididi.

 

There is a lot of frustration among the fans that the bench at times looks stronger than the starting XI!

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8 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Yep fair point. This video already ran to an hour, but for sure, Calvert-Lewin had a fantastic opportunity to win the game for Everton which I glossed over!

I’m not sure he did much wrong to be honest; we should give Mads credit for an outstanding save.

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Not gonna lie, I was expecting a blank post. 

 

Will happily give it a read though because I spent 90 mins absolutely lost on what our approach was 

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Thank you for another quality analysis. @StriderHiryu

"It's possible that in the above picture, the players are in the positions that Cooper wants them to be. But I think that strucuturally this has many issues that would leave us in big trouble on a turnover, and in this case, even though we progress the ball, lead to a suboptimal attacking situation."

 

You don’t think you might be over-analysing this? It seems like you're trying to impose causality on the mindless mess that is Cooper-ball. I’ve yet to see any clear structure or consistency, just a mess of (largely poor) reactive decisions without any real cohesion.

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Really interesting read but not sure it identifies how we actually approached, or planned to approach, the game? I just can't see a style or philosophy at all.

 

Copper seems to make poor decisions before and during games. The only glimpses of positivity we get are when a player seems to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and we show a bit of fight. But then the manager quickly sees to that by pulling whoever looks most dangerous.

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5 minutes ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

Thank you for another quality analysis. @StriderHiryu

"It's possible that in the above picture, the players are in the positions that Cooper wants them to be. But I think that strucuturally this has many issues that would leave us in big trouble on a turnover, and in this case, even though we progress the ball, lead to a suboptimal attacking situation."

 

You don’t think you might be over-analysing this? It seems like you're trying to impose causality on the mindless mess that is Cooper-ball. I’ve yet to see any clear structure or consistency, just a mess of (largely poor) reactive decisions without any real cohesion.

It's definitely possible that I'm over analysing it! I saw a quote recently saying that in the football analytics industry people are spending millions of pounds to essentially find out the same thing "the closer to goal you shoot the ball, the more likely it is to go in!"

 

Trying to be objective, my concern is that the system Cooper is trying to implement is inherently flawed in certain aspects of the game. That can happen to any system and any manager, see how the 442 is basically dead, or how Conte's 343 got figured out pretty badly during his Spurs reign (though it's not doing badly at all at Napoli).

 

My two biggest concerns are:

- In build-up, the two CDM's don't always play next to one another, making it easier IMO to disrupt us when starting attacks.

- Our fullbacks pushing up to support make us more vulnerable than last season. We've already conceded 3 goals from the right hand side when JJ has pushed up at the wrong time.

 

From a structural viewpoint, I think these need to be fixed.

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3 minutes ago, sdb said:

Really interesting read but not sure it identifies how we actually approached, or planned to approach, the game? I just can't see a style or philosophy at all.

 

Copper seems to make poor decisions before and during games. The only glimpses of positivity we get are when a player seems to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and we show a bit of fight. But then the manager quickly sees to that by pulling whoever looks most dangerous.

This is from the Fulham game, but is relevant to the Everton one. We start in a 4231, but when we attack, a full back pushes up to support the attack:

 

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Against Everton, most of the time it was Justin that pushed up the right hand side, and Ayew inverted from right wing to become a 10 along side El Khanouss. That is the Cooper system in a nutshell, though there is a bit more to it as the second CDM (Skipp or Ndidi) also pushes up ahead of Winks.

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