Bournemouth (H) 1 - 0 -- Post-Match Thread (5 Oct 24)

[J. James]

26 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Every single club is struggling with home fans at the moment, it’s not a Leicester problem. Forest is like a morgue despite the hype a couple of seasons back, Newcastle is dead, Villa the same (champions league aside). 

I agree, but why is this do you think?

Is it the style of football atm, VAR?

A realisation that a trophy is now a pipe dream unless you are a greedy six supporter?

 

Could it be that now fans are more and more concerning themselves - i.e. worried - about the financial aspect of the game and how it affects their club such as being forced into selling their best home grown talent?

I guess all of these bring a disconnect but l dont know.

[Elsie Effcee]

Did I hear it right, Steve Cooper said  "criticism motivates me"  ?    Perhaps we need to criticise a bit harder !

[J. James]

1 hour ago, JimJams said:

Is Okoli crap then?

And given you've then mentioned Edouard, so applying that to loan players, is Buonanotte crap as well?

 

Probably not safe to say really, was it?

Lol.. I love this place, it's a psychologists dream, an ongoing experiment in human conditions..

This attitude is another example of confirmation bias, only choosing to remember or attribute bad things to the object of hatred.

 

Good things were despite Cooper, bad things entirely down to him.

 

Well done on pointing this out.

[CosbehFox]

37 minutes ago, J. James said:

I agree, but why is this do you think?

Is it the style of football atm, VAR?

A realisation that a trophy is now a pipe dream unless you are a greedy six supporter?

 

Could it be that now fans are more and more concerning themselves - i.e. worried - about the financial aspect of the game and how it affects their club such as being forced into selling their best home grown talent?

I guess all of these bring a disconnect but l dont know.

It’s as much the fans as what’s on the pitch IMO. 
 

Fanbases are aging compounded by the ticket prices. 

[Claridge]

6 hours ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Switched to a 442 today and it worked… we are not a good prem side player for player and the delusion from our fan base is bordering on insanity… not a Steve cooper fan but he got it right today and we won, and what doesn’t help us jeering with a clean sheet, 1-0 up for the last twenty minutes, creating a nervy atmosphere. Embarrassing from our fans. Cooper ain’t our best but today was fine, our fan base is grim right now.

Don't talk such common sense, if we lose its Coopers fault, if we win its not because of Cooper. With this amazing squad we should be top of the league,

[UniFox21]

We've gotten something from individual brilliance rather than tactics or system. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

1 hour ago, Ashy2165 said:

Biggest issue at Leicester currently is how shit our fan base is.. people complaining about Cooper, Ayew, Edouard…  we have a full stadium being out sung by a few Bournemouth fans… it’s embarrassing. 

Doesn't help that there's so many season ticket holders who barely make a sound and want to just be entertained.

 

We definitely need the ability for younger to people to be able to get into the ground and afford it. When I was younger we could decide to go to the football during the week, see who else wanted to go and phone up, get tickets and have a day out. 

 

It's impossible to do anything like that now. The cost and preparation involved doesn't even make it an option.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

What people need to understand one way or another is that we just need to stay up. It doesn’t matter if we do it by 15 points or a millipede’s furry ball. If we stay up, the likelihood is we can re-establish ourselves and improve season by season as the championship becomes more distant from the premier league. Cooper won’t be here forever, I highly doubt he’ll be here in 12 months, but what’s happening so far will get us to our aim (and I’m aware a lot can change) and that’s in spite of a lot of realising we can be a lot better. 

people do understand that, the question is whether he can achieve that, and all the underlying data says he cannot 

[J. James]

2 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Doesn't help that there's so many season ticket holders who barely make a sound and want to just be entertained.

 

We definitely need the ability for younger to people to be able to get into the ground and afford it. When I was younger we could decide to go to the football during the week, see who else wanted to go and phone up, get tickets and have a day out. 

 

It's impossible to do anything like that now. The cost and preparation involved doesn't even make it an option.

Spot on, spontaneity is it seems a thing of the past and we are all the poorer for that.

I remember simply turning up at Filbert st with a few mates and paying to watch the game having decided maybe an hour before to go!

We were young and very loud!

 

 

[trugerkem]

1 hour ago, J. James said:

I agree, but why is this do you think?

Is it the style of football atm, VAR?

A realisation that a trophy is now a pipe dream unless you are a greedy six supporter?

 

Could it be that now fans are more and more concerning themselves - i.e. worried - about the financial aspect of the game and how it affects their club such as being forced into selling their best home grown talent?

I guess all of these bring a disconnect but l dont know.

Maybe just maybe too many teams trying to copy this tippy tippy football and it’s become a bit meh 

[tickler28]

17 hours ago, roblcfc84 said:

Honestly don’t know what people want…we are a newly promoted side, with loads of new players to bed in. This isn’t the same calibre of squad that finished 5th, won the cup or even went down. I saw every player fight and scrap for those 3 points…we’ve scored in every game, and we at least look like we care. Think the criticism of cooper is unhinged tbh

Some people have an agenda against him sadly.....they'll argue it's nothing to do with the Forest links but they're kidding nobody. I'm not wholly convinced on him but have to give him time to prove himself. To write him off this early and slag off our players doesn't help anyone. Keep supporting the team and let the board sort out any issues with management should they need to. People also saying his subs were poor yesterday......100% disagree with that.....Fattawu and Reid and Édouard to some degree got us up the pitch when we needed fresh legs....far better than sticking Coady or Hamza in the mix and waiting for a mistake to inevitably happen

[Webbo]

30 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

people do understand that, the question is whether he can achieve that, and all the underlying data says he cannot 

We're 15th, the underlying data atm is that there are 5 teams worse than us. That's enough to stay up.

[The Doctor]

30 minutes ago, Webbo said:

We're 15th, the underlying data atm is that there are 5 teams worse than us. That's enough to stay up.

that's not what underlying data means. the underlying data is that both attacking and defensively, we're one of the two worst sides in the division, relying on moments of magic from forwards and a keeper playing out of his skin. that is not sustainable 

[trooky]

1 hour ago, Claridge said:

Don't talk such common sense, if we lose its Coopers fault, if we win its not because of Cooper. With this amazing squad we should be top of the league,

We won because of the brilliance of  Buonanotte 1st half and 2nd half Bournemouth couldn't finish any of their many chances, simple.

 

Cooper's subs are shit, made no attempt to affect the game 2nd half, basically he just hoped we could hang on.

[Chrysalis]

14 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

that's not what underlying data means. the underlying data is that both attacking and defensively, we're one of the two worst sides in the division, relying on moments of magic from forwards and a keeper playing out of his skin. that is not sustainable 

The data that matters is results and the league table.

 

I seem to remember being outplayed a lot in a season we won the biggest prize in English football.

[Webbo]

17 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

that's not what underlying data means. the underlying data is that both attacking and defensively, we're one of the two worst sides in the division, relying on moments of magic from forwards and a keeper playing out of his skin. that is not sustainable 

The points won data says we'll stay up.

All that can change of course, as could your data. Which kinda proves that trying to prove were scientifically destined to go down is bollox.

Edited 6 October 2024 by Webbo

[lcfcell]

Cooper could help himself out massively if he was more proactive with his subs. A few players looked knackered yesterday but he changed nothing. 
 

I saw a few flashes first half of us playing some nice stuff but the 2nd wasn’t pretty at all. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

56 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Some people have an agenda against him sadly.....they'll argue it's nothing to do with the Forest links but they're kidding nobody. I'm not wholly convinced on him but have to give him time to prove himself. To write him off this early and slag off our players doesn't help anyone. Keep supporting the team and let the board sort out any issues with management should they need to. People also saying his subs were poor yesterday......100% disagree with that.....Fattawu and Reid and Édouard to some degree got us up the pitch when we needed fresh legs....far better than sticking Coady or Hamza in the mix and waiting for a mistake to inevitably happen

I agree I have an agenda against him. But it's nothing to do with him being at forest that's condescending.

 

I don't like the fact that he thinks we're far worse than we are and that we do have a competitive team that has the necessary experience and ability to actually try and win games. 

 

I also think he's tactically poor and makes some very poor decisions during matches. 

 

 

[The Doctor]

11 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

The data that matters is results and the league table.

 

I seem to remember being outplayed a lot in a season we won the biggest prize in English football.

you remember wrongly. our underlying data that season had us as the second best attacking side, giving up slightly more chances (8th for xGA) and an expected points that was 4th in the division, just marginally below man city and spurs, and a couple of points behind arsenal. we were rarely outplayed and won because we had a top performing keeper.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Webbo said:

The points won data says we'll stay up.

All that can change of course, as could your data. Which kinda proves that trying to prove were scientifically destined to go down is bollox.

after 7 games, in which we've played only one of the likely top 4 (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea) while all of our likely relegation rivals except Southampton have played at least 2. It can change massively and the sensible money is on it changing to match the underlying data, not on the underlying data suddenly improving to match the points haul.

[rugbyblue]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Doesn't help that there's so many season ticket holders who barely make a sound and want to just be entertained.

 

We definitely need the ability for younger to people to be able to get into the ground and afford it. When I was younger we could decide to go to the football during the week, see who else wanted to go and phone up, get tickets and have a day out. 

 

It's impossible to do anything like that now. The cost and preparation involved doesn't even make it an option.

Absolutely agree.  And until this season anyone under 16 couldn't attend without an adult, putting a stop to a bunch of 14 and 15 year olds going as a group, which me and my mates used to do, along with many others, and we made a racket.  

 

Even those in late teens and early twenties are highly likely to be on a training or apprentice wage, or a student, and the cost of a ticket, not to mention membership and the improbability of getting a load of tickets together will take too much of a chunk out of wages to do it regularly.  This will all affect the noise and atmosphere at grounds.  The lack of terracing is also a contributing factor as like minded groups could gather together.  But this isn't just a Leicester thing.  It seems common around other grounds too. 

[StanSP]

Just watched the highlights on Sky.

 

Their offside goal. Almost all of the Bournemouth players pretty much knew Evanilson had touched it. As they go to 'celebrate', Cook has no idea if Evanilson touched it, and they're all looking over to the linesman if the flag goes up. As soon as it does, they're all running back and not even debating it with the ref.

 

As for the Senesi foul on Buonanotte, I didn't realise at the ground how blatant a foul it was. Looks worse when watching it back and it's almost definitely a yellow, which would mean his foul on Fatawu sends him off. Two games in a row opposition players escape 2 bookable offences (Calafiori last week).  

[Foxdiamond]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

We've gotten something from individual brilliance rather than tactics or system. 

Funny nobody says that when a top player does that for a big team

[Webbo]

32 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

you remember wrongly. our underlying data that season had us as the second best attacking side, giving up slightly more chances (8th for xGA) and an expected points that was 4th in the division, just marginally below man city and spurs, and a couple of points behind arsenal. we were rarely outplayed and won because we had a top performing keeper.

 

 

after 7 games, in which we've played only one of the likely top 4 (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea) while all of our likely relegation rivals except Southampton have played at least 2. It can change massively and the sensible money is on it changing to match the underlying data, not on the underlying data suddenly improving to match the points haul.

In other words, you'll make the data fit  the theory.

[Foxdiamond]

32 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

you remember wrongly. our underlying data that season had us as the second best attacking side, giving up slightly more chances (8th for xGA) and an expected points that was 4th in the division, just marginally below man city and spurs, and a couple of points behind arsenal. we were rarely outplayed and won because we had a top performing keeper.

 

 

after 7 games, in which we've played only one of the likely top 4 (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea) while all of our likely relegation rivals except Southampton have played at least 2. It can change massively and the sensible money is on it changing to match the underlying data, not on the underlying data suddenly improving to match the points haul.

Spurs could well finish in top four

[bovril]

3 hours ago, Elsie Effcee said:

Did I hear it right, Steve Cooper said  "criticism motivates me"  ?    Perhaps we need to criticise a bit harder !

"He must be the most motivated man in the world" said my girlfriend as we were watching MOTD last night.