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Ruud awakening for the Premier League!

By DJ Barry Hammond, in Leicester City Forum

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marcymarc666

marcymarc666

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8 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Xabi Alonso, Mancini, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Zidane, Luis Enrique, Conte, Ancelotti, Dalglish, Guardiola, Simeone

OK I'll give you Pep though I wouldn't say he was a legendary footballer. Conte , Ancelotti and Mancini were all pretty average in the Prem.

Bordersfox

Bordersfox

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3 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

OK I'll give you Pep though I wouldn't say he was a legendary footballer. Conte , Ancelotti and Mancini were all pretty average in the Prem.

Ah the old who is a legend who isn't nonsense debate.  There are clearly several fine, some might say legendary, players who've become good managers.  Your question has been answered.  

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Miquel The Work Geordie

Miquel The Work Geordie

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2 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

OK I'll give you Pep though I wouldn't say he was a legendary footballer. Conte , Ancelotti and Mancini were all pretty average in the Prem.

 

Are you trying to say that Carlo Ancelotti isn't a good manager with this? lol Conte and Mancini have carved out very, very good careers in management too. 

 

I'd argue Guardiola's playing career is as illustrious, if not more so - than Van Nistelrooy's, no?

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Groby_Blue

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59 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

He had to go down to Challinor to find an example that he thought was a viable option so maybe he’s answered his own question. There’s not much down there that  fit a criteria of being currently successful, will cost next to zero compensation and would potentially want to join.

It's just another excuse for the media to have a dig at us. 

Finnegan

Finnegan

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2 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Are you trying to say that Carlo Ancelotti isn't a good manager with this? lol Conte and Mancini have carved out very, very good careers in management too. 

 

I'd argue Guardiola's playing career is as illustrious, if not more so - than Van Nistelrooy's, no?

 

Pep six league titles, two domestic cups and two European trophies including the European Cup (now Champions League.)

 

Ruud five league titles, albeit two were in the Netherlands. One cup, no European honours. 

 

 

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VLC86

VLC86

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14 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Delays happen and I understand that. 
 

The problem is the news coming out of the club via media sources is that Top wasn’t knee jerk in his decision on Sunday afternoon. Now the club was absolutely right to get rid of Cooper but if we are told they were “monitoring” performance, why were these discussions, issues etc. not ironed out in the two weeks prior. 
 

RVN was unemployed, the club had concerns. We could’ve gone up against Chelsea and fluked a result but at least those discussion would’ve occurred for a situation the seniors were “monitoring”. In fact there should’ve discussions with more than one person. 

 

There is very little defence for the club going into a game tomorrow with an unknown caretaker - very little. Even for the most loyal KP fanboy. This board, this time in the ownership gets criticised because they make decision and fail to proactively protect the club. These things come across as inept, because they are. Worst case scenario always for Leicester and it has been under the ownership of Top.

The delay might be down to Ruud. We clearly spoke to him before sacking Cooper as there were rumours of this before that happened.

 

That said, it’s a shame we haven’t told him we need him in place for the weekend.

Groby_Blue

Groby_Blue

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34 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Are you suggesting that a caretaker coach that no one has ever heard of will get humbled by an experienced operator like Thomas Frank? For the record I think we will get beat, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if we got a result. From what we’ve heard the players will be buoyed by Coopers sacking and will want to impress the new manager. Stranger things have happened! But I agree it’s all been handled badly and is a totally unnecessary mess.

Look at the Southampton home game last season. It was said that the players said Feck this, we'll play our way and ignored Enzo's plan - and look at the result. 

 

Players are capable of getting results without anyone in charge for a couple of games. They know how they like to play and they know what works. We sure can get a result tomorrow. 

 

Just leave Faes at Seagrave. 

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Scotch

Scotch

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53 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Wait for it in the media 'Ruud van Nistelroy's Leicester', has any football legend become a good manager ?

Hope this isn't rose tinted spectacles and all that, we're going to find out pretty quickly.

Deschamps, Simeone, Rijkaard, Strachan.

Burmesefox

Burmesefox

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1 hour ago, VLC86 said:

The delay might be down to Ruud. We clearly spoke to him before sacking Cooper as there were rumours of this before that happened.

 

That said, it’s a shame we haven’t told him we need him in place for the weekend.

why on earth would the club do that when he can have no material affect on the team other than a pep talk? He will givethat pep talk anyway tomorrow and then coach them for the West Ham game albeit he again wont have much to play with. In reality, he wants to start on the ground running so in reality the Brighton game on 08 December will be his first proper game. 

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trooky

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5 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Deschamps, Simeone, Rijkaard, Strachan.

Pep, Cruyff, Zidane, Ancelotti, Dalglish, Koeman, Luis Enrique, Arteta can be added to the list

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sm1

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Abit worrying, all this talk of him falling out with players at PSV and them going to the hierarchy to complain. Sounds like what our players would do. 

TheGoldenGod

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1 hour ago, marcymarc666 said:

Wait for it in the media 'Ruud van Nistelroy's Leicester', has any football legend become a good manager ?

Hope this isn't rose tinted spectacles and all that, we're going to find out pretty quickly.

Had to google Steve Coopers playing career and still none the wiser. Awful footballers can also be awful football managers. No correlation to anything whether they were good as a player or not, so lets leave the pessimism before we've played a single match under him, eh?

marcymarc666

marcymarc666

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18 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

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Rooney could win a cup with those teams !!

How long did they last ? , I'm guessing they were all gone within 2 years. 

Look it's a gamble, any idiot can see that, I hope he does well, but we have no idea what he's going to be like as a football manager and we're a Premierdship club !!

Miquel The Work Geordie

Miquel The Work Geordie

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2 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Rooney could win a cup with those teams !!

How long did they last ? , I'm guessing they were all gone within 2 years. 

Look it's a gamble, any idiot can see that, I hope he does well, but we have no idea what he's going to be like as a football manager and we're a Premierdship club !!

 

Nobody is saying van Nistelrooy isn't a risk. You have lost the argument against your original point I'm afraid brother, please stop

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MarriedaLeicesterGirl

MarriedaLeicesterGirl

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2 hours ago, nnfox said:

I think it's more the case that good managers in lower leagues find it really tough to get a job at the top of the game because big name players wake up one day and decide they want to be a manager and they seemingly walk into the top jobs.  There's nothing in the article that suggests Challinor was interested in the job, it's just highlighting a wider trend.  Maybe managing a team isn't that difficult and actually, having a big name might make buying new players easier - perhaps that was a factor in our summer recruitment?

 

As for compensation?  I'm sure we could meet any compensation clause with Stockport, they're not exactly in the top 1% yet.

It is the fear of owners/staff being told they made a "ridiculous decision." It happens in all sports. I am from the United States, and you look at our teams in American Football, Baseball, and Basketball, and the same guys keep getting hired, even though they got fired from their last team for losing so much. People would rather fail and say "we hired an experienced person" than fail and say "we tried someone new". Of course, football is different, given how international it is, and the seeming distrust in the ability for English managers to win trophies. They'd rather higher someone from a second level European team winning a league where there aren't any other teams really top class than hire an English manager who did surprisingly well in the toughest national league in the world.

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VLC86

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8 minutes ago, Burmesefox said:

why on earth would the club do that when he can have no material affect on the team other than a pep talk? He will givethat pep talk anyway tomorrow and then coach them for teh West Ham game albeit he again wont have much to play with. In reality, he wants to start on teh ground running so in reality teh Brighton game on 08 December will be his first proper game. 

Eh? Are we appointing someone who can have no material impact on the team? Bizarre statement.

 

We could have had him in on Monday and running training, I’m not talking about just throwing him in an hour before the game.

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AKCJ

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25 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Are you trying to say that Carlo Ancelotti isn't a good manager with this? lol Conte and Mancini have carved out very, very good careers in management too. 

 

I'd argue Guardiola's playing career is as illustrious, if not more so - than Van Nistelrooy's, no?

Nah come on. My nan could win the 

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Mickyblueeyes

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1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Are you suggesting that a caretaker coach that no one has ever heard of will get humbled by an experienced operator like Thomas Frank? For the record I think we will get beat, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if we got a result. From what we’ve heard the players will be buoyed by Coopers sacking and will want to impress the new manager. Stranger things have happened! But I agree it’s all been handled badly and is a totally unnecessary mess.

We possibly could beat them. With the party on Saturday night and the negative press, it does give pre-Liverpool 3-1 (after Claudio was sacked) feeling. Let's hope they react well. However, the club have been placed at a disadvantage and as you say, that is unneccesary. 

Lesta Legend

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15 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Eh? Are we appointing someone who can have no material impact on the team? Bizarre statement.

 

We could have had him in on Monday and running training, I’m not talking about just throwing him in an hour before the game.

The fact you’d seriously expected him to have been in place Monday morning is bizarre. It appears you need to manage your own expectations. 
 

It’s hilarious to see time and again the hysterical reactions (same with player signings), when it’s just you that doesn’t have any patience. He is coming just wait and stop over analysing just because you think it should have been done by Sunday evening. 

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coolhandfox

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44 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

OK I'll give you Pep though I wouldn't say he was a legendary footballer. Conte , Ancelotti and Mancini were all pretty average in the Prem.

You have had a mare here. 

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Scotch

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30 minutes ago, trooky said:

Pep, Cruyff, Zidane, Ancelotti, Dalglish, Koeman, Luis Enrique, Arteta can be added to the list

Absolutely. I was just adding to the names someone had said previously. 

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