Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Filbert Fireworks]

2 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

You can go even lower with a poor manager and that's exactly what Cooper was and is.

We never lost by four goals in the Premier league under cooper. 

Nearest was arsenal but we still scored twice. He had a shit squad too

[FrankieADZ]

1 minute ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

We never lost by four goals in the Premier league under cooper. 

Nearest was arsenal but we still scored twice. He had a shit squad too

least be right tho, only reason we didnt lose more is cos of Mads,

 

oh and we wouldnt have had the 2 previous home games under Cooper either, we' would have lost both of them

[Blue ROI]

I'd cut RVN some slack as today was gonna be tough with even our strongest squad.

 

I doubt he was expecting the keeper situation to hit us like today. It's unexpected to change keepers.

 

Though he needs to park the Ward experiment or it will come back to bite him.

[FrankieADZ]

45 minutes ago, Corky said:

Difference with Cooper is that he had a better squad to work with albeit not great. Ricardo was available and barely used, Fatawu in and out, had Winks available. He then persisted with Faes, JJ (I know he is still playing but nobody else as back up now), Reid who are horribly out of form or not up to it. Ndidi in the wrong position another problem.

 

I will not be impressed if he persists with Ward or continues to include Choudhury, however.

tbf thats a cracking point, Cooper had a better squad to chose from compared to RVN, and lets be right, Ricky P, Fatawu....2 names who more than likely would be starting now and for me would be making a difference, 

lets be right tho, in the 2 home games under rvn we do look more organised etc compared to cooper

While I get cooper never lost 4-0 but come on, he easily could have if it wasnt for Mads and other teams shit finishing

 

Im not going to call for RVN's head after 1 defeat to a newcastle team with over £300mil+ talent in it, personally i thought we'd lose today, they are a good team far better than us in every single department, it could be a wake up call to RVN to maybe try something a lil different when away to bigger teams

[Matt]

Firstly, I'll start by saying I've been impressed and entertained since RVN has come in.

 

However it does make me smirk abit when so many people were perma-predicting hammerings every week under Cooper and we never really had one in terms of score lines, yet we've had 4 put past us twice since he was sacked.

 

Not only that, people complained that were were conceding so many shots against, that's not really changed, i've not really looked to compare but it feels like we're conceding more shots against of an average?

 

Can you imagine the shitstorm that would have gone down if Cooper was still in charge and West Ham had all those shots.

 

Likewise, we're not really having many shots ourselves, that was a bugbear of many under Cooper which hasn't really changed either, yet.

 

Edited 14 December 2024 by Matt

[Sly]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Rightly or wrongly I take it all the people surprised about people suggesting Ruud out so early are being sarcastic?

 

Bearing in mind they're probably the same people who wanted Cooper out before a competitive game was played.

I wanted Cooper gone before a competitive game was played. It was clear we didn’t have a plan. 
 

RVN has a plan but I’m not really sure he has the players for it. 
 

You could look at the stats for the last three games and suggest that’s been coming. It happens though. 
 

Real questions need to be asked why we purchased Skipp as he’s dreadful. 

[Pliskin]

If someone could explain to me how they think only having Skipp and Hamza available would yield the same results as Winks, Ndidi and lately Soumare, if love to hear it? 
 

Today was a bit like turning up to the grand national and having to ride a sausage dog, we had absolutely NO control over the midfield, and if you can’t get at least a foothold in the midfield you’ll struggle, and against a decent side…..

 

I just think there are pockets of fans that are so desperate for us to lose, so they can come on and start the whole “told you so” bollocks. 
 

I never thought we would win today, but it was made more difficult missing key players, I thought that much would be obvious…….

Edited 14 December 2024 by Pliskin

[AjcW]

There was quite a lot from PSV fans about the amount of space between the lines with his tactics. It’s not something you’re going to get away with in the Prem. 
 

74 shots in 3 games 🙈🙈

 

Hopefully he makes the necessary adjustments/player additions. 

[Bilo]

56 minutes ago, Corky said:

Difference with Cooper is that he had a better squad to work with albeit not great. Ricardo was available and barely used, Fatawu in and out, had Winks available. He then persisted with Faes, JJ (I know he is still playing but nobody else as back up now), Reid who are horribly out of form or not up to it. Ndidi in the wrong position another problem.

 

I will not be impressed if he persists with Ward or continues to include Choudhury, however.

Yeah, can't fault this.

 

Cooper with these injuries does not get four points from the bare bones against West Ham and Brighton. Not a prayer.

 

Some of our more technically able players coming back like Ricardo and Winks could be absolutely transformative for us. Add in some decent transfer business and we'll see some positive results.

 

I would honestly either negotiate a mutual termination of Ward's contract and transfer list Choudhury in January. The next transfer window is massive.

[MGLCFC]

13 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

We never lost by four goals in the Premier league under cooper. 

Nearest was arsenal but we still scored twice. He had a shit squad too

This is true, but we never won by 2 clear goals either. Cooper was so far out of his depth, I feel we would have lost those 2 home games. I can't recall, either, Cooper not having a full midfield complement to call on, unlike today and having to play Ward. Hermanson and bad finishing is the only reason some teams haven't scored a hatful against us. I'm under no illusions that RVN will keep us up easily, but he's got more about him than Cooper and with the right backing in January, at least he'll have a fighting chance.  

[Clever Fox]

17 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Yeah, can't fault this.

 

Cooper with these injuries does not get four points from the bare bones against West Ham and Brighton. Not a prayer.

 

Some of our more technically able players coming back like Ricardo and Winks could be absolutely transformative for us. Add in some decent transfer business and we'll see some positive results.

 

I would honestly either negotiate a mutual termination of Ward's contract and transfer list Choudhury in January. The next transfer window is massive.

The big problem is who is going to take either of them when we're paying them a reported 50k a week. Madness

 

I agree though we need to get rid even if we have to pay them off which is not easy. Then be an awful lot smarter going forward with pay as you play contracts plus results.

 

I very much doubt Brentford are paying anyone 50k a week and look where they are in the league.

[Bilo]

Just now, Clever Fox said:

The big problem is who is going to take either of them when we're paying them a reported 50k a week. Madness

 

I agree though we need to get rid even if we have to pay them off which is not easy. Then be an awful lot smarter going forward with pay as you play contracts plus results.

 

I very much doubt Brentford are paying anyone 50k a week and look where they are in the league.

Atrocious club management, it really is. Thankfully, Ward's contract is up this summer. For me, if he doesn't agree to come to a negotiated termination, we just stick him in the U23s and let the contract wind down. He'll most likely be on the scrapheap for some time afterwards as he'll never earn anything like those wages again in his career.

 

Choudhury is more tricky as he has another couple of years. He isn't worth a start, but I suspect he won't get one once we have Ndidi and Soumare back, let alone once we've done some deals in the transfer market.

[Mickyblueeyes]

He got in wrong today. He will and will have other Brain fart moments this season. The squad is that poor. Dust yourself off, next week is critical. 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, The Quick Brown Fox said:

Thankfully we go on real points not expected. 

For now, sooner or later it evens itself out 

[pazzerfox]

15 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Atrocious club management, it really is. Thankfully, Ward's contract is up this summer. For me, if he doesn't agree to come to a negotiated termination, we just stick him in the U23s and let the contract wind down. He'll most likely be on the scrapheap for some time afterwards as he'll never earn anything like those wages again in his career.

 

Choudhury is more tricky as he has another couple of years. He isn't worth a start, but I suspect he won't get one once we have Ndidi and Soumare back, let alone once we've done some deals in the transfer market.

I would feel embarrassed taking home a wage of that size, if I was that sh*t at football. It's incredible how he's been able to fool people into actually paying money for him and to somehow pay him to go in goal! He's an absolute disgrace to the position of goalkeeper, and one of the luckiest people alive today!

[Clever Fox]

9 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Atrocious club management, it really is. Thankfully, Ward's contract is up this summer. For me, if he doesn't agree to come to a negotiated termination, we just stick him in the U23s and let the contract wind down. He'll most likely be on the scrapheap for some time afterwards as he'll never earn anything like those wages again in his career.

 

Choudhury is more tricky as he has another couple of years. He isn't worth a start, but I suspect he won't get one once we have Ndidi and Soumare back, let alone once we've done some deals in the transfer market.

It really is atrocious management. There's no incentive for Ward to agree to anything unless we make it a lump sum of some sort. The problem with that is it's a direct hit on the yearend accounts for psr. We can't even amortise it over the rest of his contract which Clubs should be allowed do. If he get a contract for 1k aweek he'll be lucky.

 

Choudhury is a little different. He can fill a few outfield positions if needed like today. However you have to make some allowances for his lack of game time. But again you have to question who decided to give him 50k a week. ? for a bit part player with limited experience.

 

Basic salary with big pay as you play bonuses is the way forward for Clubs like us.  Get back to our model of the Pearson era.

[Bilo]

Just now, pazzerfox said:

I would feel embarrassed taking home a wage of that size, if I was that sh*t at football. It's incredible how he's been able to fool people into actually paying money for him and to somehow pay him to go in goal! He's an absolute disgrace to the position of goalkeeper, and one of the luckiest people alive today!

I'm shit at football, but would cheerfully take £50k a week to be shit at football if someone was enough of a mug to offer it. 

 

Don't blame him, blame the tithead who signed off on the contract and made him impossible to sell at any price.

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, Clever Fox said:

It really is atrocious management. There's no incentive for Ward to agree to anything unless we make it a lump sum of some sort. The problem with that is it's a direct hit on the yearend accounts for psr. We can't even amortise it over the rest of his contract which Clubs should be allowed do. If he get a contract for 1k aweek he'll be lucky.

 

Choudhury is a little different. He can fill a few outfield positions if needed like today. However you have to make some allowances for his lack of game time. But again you have to question who decided to give him 50k a week. ? for a bit part player with limited experience.

 

Basic salary with big pay as you play bonuses is the way forward for Clubs like us.  Get back to our model of the Pearson era.

That's the issue. We realistically have to pay him until June and then write off those wages as experience. He certainly won't need replacing if that helps, as I expect RvN now realises he isn't even second choice quality. 

 

If Hermansen goes in the summer, I suspect we probably go for a quality keeper with the transfer fee. We could give them decent money and bonuses and stick with Stolarcyzk and Iversen as backups, while saving on the wages of Ward who will obviously go when his contract expires.

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

There was quite a lot from PSV fans about the amount of space between the lines with his tactics. It’s not something you’re going to get away with in the Prem. 
 

74 shots in 3 games 🙈🙈

 

Hopefully he makes the necessary adjustments/player additions. 

guess your on about this tweet

 

right, from the cooper games, just shots, not on target, so that count shots going into row z, being blocked etc

Spurs-15

Fulham-18

Villa-10

Palace-20

everton-17

arsenal-35

Bournemouth-19

Southampton-14

forest-20

ipswich-14

utd-13

Chelsea-16

211 in 12 league game*

all rough stats, nothing 100% cos i cant be arsed

thats around 17/18 shots per game

 

the amount of shots teams are having its great and it needs addressing

 

but im pretty sure Brentford have let a good number of shots too but they are getting the results so by the by, theyve let around 273 shots this season and look how they are doing

Edited 14 December 2024 by FrankieADZ

[Clever Fox]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

That's the issue. We realistically have to pay him until June and then write off those wages as experience. He certainly won't need replacing if that helps, as I expect RvN now realises he isn't even second choice quality. 

 

If Hermansen goes in the summer, I suspect we probably go for a quality keeper with the transfer fee. We could give them decent money and bonuses and stick with Stolarcyzk and Iversen as backups, while saving on the wages of Ward who will obviously go when his contract expires.

If Mads has to go in the Summer I'd stick with Stolarcyzk and Iversen and spend the money on the Team. I'd also reduce the squad to 16 to 18 at most and use the savings to bring in Quality over Quantity.

 

We won the league with 14 or 15 players I think. We won the Championship with a similar number.  Thats more than a big enough squad with the Development sqaud as further back up.

 

[Bilo]

Just now, Clever Fox said:

If Mads has to go in the Summer I'd stick with Stolarcyzk and Iversen and spend the money on the Team. I'd also reduce the squad to 16 to 18 at most and use the savings to bring in Quality over Quantity.

 

We won the league with 14 or 15 players I think. We won the Championship with a similar number.  Thats more than a big enough squad with the Development sqaud as further back up.

 

It depends on whether they are good enough with their feet to play RVN's style. I'd also say three GKs is the right number so we aren't panicking if one gets injured and have to roll out a team with no GK on the bench. Whether that means we simply promote one of them and get in a reserve GK for peanuts is another matter.

 

The problem again is how many players are on big money. Soumare will still have another year left, Choudhury and Faes will have two while VK will have three. All of these players will have limited resale value and their wages will likely frighten off a lot of potential suitors at their level. 

 

In essence, we need a real overhaul of recruitment and financial management of the playing squad.

[Clever Fox]

3 minutes ago, Bilo said:

It depends on whether they are good enough with their feet to play RVN's style. I'd also say three GKs is the right number so we aren't panicking if one gets injured and have to roll out a team with no GK on the bench. Whether that means we simply promote one of them and get in a reserve GK for peanuts is another matter.

 

The problem again is how many players are on big money. Soumare will still have another year left, Choudhury and Faes will have two while VK will have three. All of these players will have limited resale value and their wages will likely frighten off a lot of potential suitors at their level. 

 

In essence, we need a real overhaul of recruitment and financial management of the playing squad.

 

3 minutes ago, Bilo said:

It depends on whether they are good enough with their feet to play RVN's style. I'd also say three GKs is the right number so we aren't panicking if one gets injured and have to roll out a team with no GK on the bench. Whether that means we simply promote one of them and get in a reserve GK for peanuts is another matter.

 

The problem again is how many players are on big money. Soumare will still have another year left, Choudhury and Faes will have two while VK will have three. All of these players will have limited resale value and their wages will likely frighten off a lot of potential suitors at their level. 

 

In essence, we need a real overhaul of recruitment and financial management of the playing squad.

This is where it all starts.

 

I'd say 2 GKs are enough as they dont get injured too often and you still have the Dev Squad Keeper for back up if needed.

[pazzerfox]

32 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I'm shit at football, but would cheerfully take £50k a week to be shit at football if someone was enough of a mug to offer it. 

 

Don't blame him, blame the tithead who signed off on the contract and made him impossible to sell at any price.

The incompetence of both parties is truly staggering. 

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, pazzerfox said:

The incompetence of both parties is truly staggering. 

He'd be gone by now if he had been on typical second choice PL keeper wages, and we'd probably have got something back for him. 

 

Now he's nailed on to leave on a free, live off our bloated wages for a bit and then pitch up at some League One club in a few months. 

[phildw]

2 hours ago, old koppite said:

How could Ruud and the coaching staff have expected, or be responsible for all the team switching off completely for their second goal? 
We started the second half brightly on the attack. We give a stupid free kick away on the edge of our box, everyone’s asleep and they get a gift goal, which no goalie could have stopped. 
 

Because he's the manager and should be instilling a belief and work ethic into the team (something he claimed to have already done as one of his first tasks at the club).... that's what a managers for.