Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Foxin_Mad]

I think the writing is on the wall for us.

 

We are down, done for gone.

 

Its now a matter of rebuilding ourselves sustainably to come up maybe in about 3 years. 

 

Problem is the same clown is running the football operations, so I imagine he results will be similar. 

 

The Premier League and EFL are gunning for us, they will make an example of us. 

[Chelmofox]

16 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think the writing is on the wall for us.

 

We are down, done for gone.

 

Its now a matter of rebuilding ourselves sustainably to come up maybe in about 3 years. 

 

Problem is the same clown is running the football operations, so I imagine he results will be similar. 

 

The Premier League and EFL are gunning for us, they will make an example of us. 

What happens if we win a few games?

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

What happens if we win a few games?

We go down with more points than if we didn’t win a few games.

[daddylonglegs]

Nowhere near enough is made of in the media that Cooper had an entire pre season with essentially 0 injuries, brought in all his own players and still was a total mess. Ruud has inherited a squad riddled with injuries and on its knees from a confidence perspective (Which he did a good job of re-instating before immensely ****ing that up by starting Ward against Wolves). 

 

If you go on the basis that our first XI is as follows, in the space of a ~6 game tenure, Ruud has either had to deal with players missing at least one or two games due to injury (Vardy, Winks, Hermansen) or are dealing with now long term issues  (Ricardo, Ndidi, Fatawu). 

 

Hermansen

Ricardo, a CB, a CB, Kristiansen

Winks, Ndidi, Bilal

Fatawu, Vardy, Mavididi

 

It is regularly a lazy & boring excuse to blame bad form on injuries, but our situation is absolutely horrendous. Ruud is not without his faults, particularly re picking Ward, but there won't be a team in the entire division as badly impacted by injuries since he came in. 

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, daddylonglegs said:

Nowhere near enough is made of in the media that Cooper had an entire pre season with essentially 0 injuries, brought in all his own players and still was a total mess. Ruud has inherited a squad riddled with injuries and on its knees from a confidence perspective (Which he did a good job of re-instating before immensely ****ing that up by starting Ward against Wolves). 

 

If you go on the basis that our first XI is as follows, in the space of a ~6 game tenure, Ruud has either had to deal with players missing at least one or two games due to injury (Vardy, Winks, Hermansen) or are dealing with now long term issues  (Ricardo, Ndidi, Fatawu). 

 

Hermansen

Ricardo, a CB, a CB, Kristiansen

Winks, Ndidi, Bilal

Fatawu, Vardy, Mavididi

 

It is regularly a lazy & boring excuse to blame bad form on injuries, but our situation is absolutely horrendous. Ruud is not without his faults, particularly re picking Ward, but there won't be a team in the entire division as badly impacted by injuries since he came in. 

The biggest issue with Cooper is he had no tactics. Anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about football could see that, it shows how utterly inept the punditry is in the game. 

 

Like I genuinely have no idea what he was trying to do in games, he sent 11 players on the pitch with a a vague direction not to lose. I think luck and individual brilliance got our wins, nothing else. Not one game this season have we looked even close to a Premier League team in my opinion. 

[sylofox]

On 01/01/2025 at 11:27, winteriscoming said:

Anyone else think he’ll walk at the end of the month when no decent signings have come in? 

Not a chance in hell he walks for one reason.

 

Money.

 

The only other way he leaves is if a bigger club want him.

[coolhandfox]

Some right bulldog spirit in here.

 

If we repeat of form on the from the first 19 games and sneak an extra 3 wins we end up on 37 points and stay up.

 

Hardly impossible.

[The Doctor]

On 30/12/2024 at 21:34, RyCleary said:

Playing Ward cost us game against Wolves and unforgivable. Sooner he’s gone the better

not really unforgivable is it. he got it wrong but Mads was out, Stolarcyk was only just back in training and the previous manager had Ward as his number 2. You can see why he would have given ward a chance, and ward dramatically fumbled that chance.

[Stadt]

Yeah, we have 57 points to play for and we're 2 behind Wolves. Some on here have completely capitulated, the players haven't.

Edited 2 January by Stadt

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

not really unforgivable is it. he got it wrong but Mads was out, Stolarcyk was only just back in training and the previous manager had Ward as his number 2. You can see why he would have given ward a chance, and ward dramatically fumbled that chance.

The fact that he accepted he got it wrong and corrected it immediately was a big tick as well.

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

The fact that he accepted he got it wrong and corrected it immediately was a big tick as well.

this is it. he didn't chew Ward out in public like I think many of us would want to but that's why we're not managers, publicly slagging off your players is not a great sign for incoming players, and given Ward didn't even come with the match day squad v Man City (replaced by Beausor), you can bet that happened in private.

[Dahnsouff]

Interesting to hear Ruud say (with what I felt was significance) that Unai makes it very clear to players on their jobs via direction, so I do hope instills a similar certainty within ‘our lot’.

[RyCleary]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

not really unforgivable is it. he got it wrong but Mads was out, Stolarcyk was only just back in training and the previous manager had Ward as his number 2. You can see why he would have given ward a chance, and ward dramatically fumbled that chance.

No, I can't see why he would have. It's not like we haven't seen Ward before and he's an unknown quantity, we had nearly a full season of him and he got us relegated

[Chelmofox]

3 minutes ago, RyCleary said:

No, I can't see why he would have. It's not like we haven't seen Ward before and he's an unknown quantity, we had nearly a full season of him and he got us relegated

I don't think there is much point going round in circles on this one. Ruud was forced a shitty hand with this. Jakub was injured and wasn't match fit. I think Ruuds priority was to train in the way he wanted and Ward allowed that, as it looked like Jakub would only miss the Wolves game (and we don't know if he was very close to be declared fit). Whatever everyone thinks about Iversen, his stats were actually worse than Wards and if training with him delayed what Ruud was trying to achieve, i think i respect (though dont like) the risk that was taken. Even in the relegation season, Ward had games where he kept clean sheets - so anything was possible (yes - its Ward, and i was at the Wolves game and actually broke up a fight!).

 

It doesnt make Ruud a sh!t manager at all. He took a risk that didn't pay off, but as we can see from the Liverpool and Man City performances, he was clearly working on playing out the back as it was much improved.  

[Clever Fox]

4 hours ago, phildw said:

And if Casedei is the type of garbage he is looking to bring in he can jog on! Clown! 

I doubt there's any truth in that story. I'm sure Ruud doesn't even know him so if there's anyone pushing Cassedei I'd say it's Rudkin. Not Ruud.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, RyCleary said:

No, I can't see why he would have. It's not like we haven't seen Ward before and he's an unknown quantity, we had nearly a full season of him and he got us relegated

we have, that doesn't mean Ruud has. again Ward was number 2 under Cooper, when you've been in charge 2 weeks and get a goalkeeper injury, playing your predecessors second choice is perfectly normal and it's a really weird stick to choose to beat a new manager with

[The_77]

4 hours ago, RyCleary said:

Then play Iverson. A professional manager who can watch our 22/23 season and still pick Ward shouldn't be a manager

Iversen hasn’t played a match all season. I doubt you would find any professional managers who would handle this the way you wanted. Ruud saw the games with his own eyes and as soon as Stolarczyk was fit and ready, Ward was out. It’s not the scandal or malpractice that you’re making it out to be. 

[RyCleary]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

we have, that doesn't mean Ruud has. again Ward was number 2 under Cooper, when you've been in charge 2 weeks and get a goalkeeper injury, playing your predecessors second choice is perfectly normal and it's a really weird stick to choose to beat a new manager with

You think he's taken a job without watching our past games?

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, RyCleary said:

You think he's taken a job without watching our past games?

I think he's probably watched recent games, those under Cooper, maybe some under Maresca as well. I doubt he's gone back to watch games from 2 years ago...

[RyCleary]

17 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I think he's probably watched recent games, those under Cooper, maybe some under Maresca as well. I doubt he's gone back to watch games from 2 years ago...

He's picking a keeper who last played in that season, he will have watched it... that's bare minimum

[The Doctor]

58 minutes ago, RyCleary said:

He's picking a keeper who last played in that season, he will have watched it... that's bare minimum

if he's watched Ward play, I'd pretty much guarantee it's for the cup games this season. basically no manager goes back to watch games from several years earlier when the squad has near completely changed, you're being completely unreasonable and a bit ridiculous 

[RyCleary]

11 hours ago, The Doctor said:

if he's watched Ward play, I'd pretty much guarantee it's for the cup games this season. basically no manager goes back to watch games from several years earlier when the squad has near completely changed, you're being completely unreasonable and a bit ridiculous 

It’s unreasonable and ridiculous to expect a manager of a club in a relegation battle to watch that clubs relegation season from two years ago when there’s still many of the same players here?

[Muzzy_no7]

17 hours ago, Stadt said:

Yeah, we have 57 points to play for and we're 2 behind Wolves. Some on here have completely capitulated, the players haven't.

Can you see us beating Fulham and Palace at home?

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Can you see us beating Fulham and Palace at home?

Yeah I don't see why not. Two competitive games that we can definitely pick points up from.

[daddylonglegs]

17 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Some right bulldog spirit in here.

 

If we repeat of form on the from the first 19 games and sneak an extra 3 wins we end up on 37 points and stay up.

 

Hardly impossible.

sneaking an extra 3 wins doesn't sound like much until you realise it's a 100% increase on our first half of the season