King Power Out

[emmo1987]

Bring back Milan Mandaric

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, PAULCFC said:

Exactly......Keeping Rodgers way to long....Appointing Cooper and Keeping the DOF doing this.............Vichai would have never let it get all the way down the road where we are.

Vichai’s time was not without mistake but chalk and cheese compared to what his son has done. Absolute disaster. 

 

Vichai hired Sven (not good). Replaced him with Pearson.

 

Vichai lost Walsh but replaced him with Macia.

 

The appointment of Rodgers was all set up pre the tragedy, 

 

people just need to look back at the noise when we signed Ndidi how mistakes were not tolerated under him. 
 

He had his moments but a proper owner. His kid isn’t fit to be here. And needs to be told.

[Bilo]

I think Top cares, but I just don't think he's up to it. I suspect that he sees Rudkin and Whelan as family friends after the tragedy with his dad, and he's come to depend on them. He wouldn't even know where to start finding their replacements because they've been with him and his dad from the minute they bought the club.

 

Vichai would, I suspect, have lost patience about midway through the 22-23 season. If not then, then certainly the end of it. In fact, I don't think we'd have ever been relegated if he'd still been alive. We may not even have splurged tens of millions up the wall in the 2021 transfer window. 

 

That to me says he's out of his depth. Rudkin is too. The game has moved since 2016 and nobody at the club has moved with it.

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Vichai’s time was not without mistake but chalk and cheese compared to what his son has done. Absolute disaster. 

 

Vichai hired Sven (not good). Replaced him with Pearson.

 

Vichai lost Walsh but replaced him with Macia.

 

The appointment of Rodgers was all set up pre the tragedy, 

 

people just need to look back at the noise when we signed Ndidi how mistakes were not tolerated under him. 
 

He had his moments but a proper owner. His kid isn’t fit to be here. And needs to be told.

What's this referring to? Out of interest.

[Nolucklcfc]

Just now, Bilo said:

I think Top cares, but I just don't think he's up to it. I suspect that he sees Rudkin and Whelan as family friends after the tragedy with his dad, and he's come to depend on them. He wouldn't even know where to start finding their replacements because they've been with him and his dad from the minute they bought the club.

 

Vichai would, I suspect, have lost patience about midway through the 22-23 season. If not then, then certainly the end of it. In fact, I don't think we'd have ever been relegated if he'd still been alive. We may not even have splurged tens of millions up the wall in the 2021 transfer window. 

 

That to me says he's out of his depth. Rudkin is too. The game has moved since 2016 and nobody at the club has moved with it.

There’s a no blame, pretend everything is fine culture at the club. I don’t like king power at all and the media guy that gets people banned if you speak out against it needs going too. It’s annoying and the swamp needs draining. 

[WoodyFox]

Apart from Vardy the starting 11 today was woeful. We’ve ended up with a worse team than we had in the championship. There is no philosophy or ambition under KP anymore. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

What's this referring to? Out of interest.

We had the disastrous 2916 summer window. Ndidi if I remember rightly was our first big signing in the January window and there was noise from all the usual sources that the scouting team had done a lot of work on identifying the target and then delivering. 
 

Emphasis on it being a very different approach to the scattergun approach in the summer

[Kitchandro]

People need to realise what these billionaires are like - especially ones born into it. They are egotistical and out of touch.

This has gone far beyond mistakes, too much loyalty or being out of his depth. The club is a vehicle for his own ego, hence why he keeps yes men around just to massage it, hence why he likes being the face of success but dismisses criticism as ungratefulness.

 

The argument that he cares is a nonsense. He cares about how he is perceived, if he cared about the trajectory of the club he would be hands on enough to know what’s wrong and make bold decisions before things got out of hand. That’s on the footballing side, the financial and marketing side is a whole other set of fiascos.

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We had the disastrous 2016 summer window. Ndidi if I remember rightly was our first big signing in the January window and there was noise from all the usual sources that the scouting team had done a lot of work on identifying the target and then delivering. 
 

Emphasis on it being a very different approach to the scattergun approach in the summer

The first sign of trouble with hindsight.

 

If we'd nailed that transfer window with a proper replacement for Kanté and actual depth in quality, we could have ended up as a genuine Champions League challenger for years. If we'd nailed that 16-17 season in the league and qualified again, the club would be unrecognisable now.

 

Guaranteed expansion before Covid hit, world class squad, global recognition, the works.

[Dan]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We had the disastrous 2916 summer window. Ndidi if I remember rightly was our first big signing in the January window and there was noise from all the usual sources that the scouting team had done a lot of work on identifying the target and then delivering. 
 

Emphasis on it being a very different approach to the scattergun approach in the summer

Yep fair enough. I agree with this - contrary to what some on here say I can take things not being perfect. I don't demand it's perfect every time. It's never going to be. But responses to setbacks are the real difference. You **** up, you make sure you try and rectify it.

 

We allowed one of the most inexplicable ****ups in Premier League history in 2023 and we're still playing the players, and have the person responsible for these ****ups on our payroll.

 

That to me is where I lose any heart, any passion for any of it. This is not a club that is trying.

[Dan]

2 minutes ago, Bilo said:

The first sign of trouble with hindsight.

 

If we'd nailed that transfer window with a proper replacement for Kanté and actual depth in quality, we could have ended up as a genuine Champions League challenger for years. If we'd nailed that 16-17 season in the league and qualified again, the club would be unrecognisable now.

 

Guaranteed expansion before Covid hit, world class squad, global recognition, the works.

It's a continous thing. You're never totally insulated from a drop off. You only have to look at what's happening to Manchester United. Year in, year out they are lowering their own floor and ceiling. You only have to see how quickly Newcastle, Aston Villa, and now (ugh) Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth have gotten good too. Things can change very quickly in football.

 

We've gotten away with it for years I think because we had the luxury of having an elite striker on our books year in, year out. Now he's slowed down the gaps are being exposed.

[Pliskin]

11 minutes ago, WoodyFox said:

Apart from Vardy the starting 11 today was woeful. We’ve ended up with a worse team than we had in the championship. There is no philosophy or ambition under KP anymore. 

As this is a point. 
 

You’ve got smaller clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth all seem fairly stable well run clubs. How on earth could they get things so horrifically wrong? To the point where we’ve just completely undone any good work done…….. last season I thought we were back on track, but now we’re a complete mess again. How can club like the above mentioned function so much better than we can? How can Forest with a completely scattergun approach over two seasons suddenly have their shit together and we are a complete mess? 
 

The success we’ve had over the last ten years has been neglected and pissed away. It’s embarrassing the situation we are in now, and those that run the club are solely responsible for it….. but hand out a free beer and mince pie, and the fans stay quiet. 
 

As a club, we are now doomed, unless we are taken over by a competent consortium of owners….. I’m sure Top’s intentions are right, but his execution is diabolical and his supporting staff incompetent. 

Edited 22 December 2024 by Pliskin

[Heathrow fox]

6 minutes ago, Bilo said:

The first sign of trouble with hindsight.

 

If we'd nailed that transfer window with a proper replacement for Kanté and actual depth in quality, we could have ended up as a genuine Champions League challenger for years. If we'd nailed that 16-17 season in the league and qualified again, the club would be unrecognisable now.

 

Guaranteed expansion before Covid hit, world class squad, global recognition, the works.

It was always an elephant up a tree

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Yep fair enough. I agree with this - contrary to what some on here say I can take things not being perfect. I don't demand it's perfect every time. It's never going to be. But responses to setbacks are the real difference. You **** up, you make sure you try and rectify it.

 

We allowed one of the most inexplicable ****ups in Premier League history in 2023 and we're still playing the players, and have the person responsible for these ****ups on our payroll.

 

That to me is where I lose any heart, any passion for any of it. This is not a club that is trying.

Nail on head. Shit some times goes wrong. It’s the inability to fix it and people getting away with that will cost us big time that I can’t. 
 

**** Rudkin. **** the manager. **** the coaches. The players. Nothing changes until the child goes. 

[WoodyFox]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

As this is a point. 
 

You’ve got smaller clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth all seem fairly stable well run clubs. How on earth could they get things so horrifically wrong? To the point where we’ve just completely undone any good work done…….. last season I thought we were back on track, but now we’re a complete mess again. How can club like the above mentioned function so much better than we can? How can Forest with a completely scattergun approach over two seasons suddenly have their shit together and we are a complete mess? 
 

The success we’ve had over the last ten years has been neglected and pissed away. It’s embarrassing the situation we are in now, and those that run the club are solely responsible for it….. but hand out a free beer and mince pie, and the fans stay quiet. 
 

As a club, we are now doomed, unless we are taken over by a competent consortium of owners….. I’m sure Top’s intentions are right, but his execution is diabolical and his supporting staff incompetent. 

Said it better than I could! 

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

It was always an elephant up a tree

I'm not sure I agree.

 

If we'd bought well that summer, qualified for the CL again, expanded the stadium to 40,000 and then had a really strong few years, so much changes.

 

Better insulated from Covid, Mahrez doesn't play with his bottom lip tripping him up and we find a timely replacement, greater stability and taking advantage of a global football story. I don't think we'd be considered part of the Big Six or anything, but I think we'd be where Villa are now on a regular basis.

[Tuna]

21 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We had the disastrous 2916 summer window. Ndidi if I remember rightly was our first big signing in the January window and there was noise from all the usual sources that the scouting team had done a lot of work on identifying the target and then delivering. 
 

Emphasis on it being a very different approach to the scattergun approach in the summer

Deffo in early scored that worldie v Derby in the FA Cup

[Heathrow fox]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We had the disastrous 2916 summer window. Ndidi if I remember rightly was our first big signing in the January window and there was noise from all the usual sources that the scouting team had done a lot of work on identifying the target and then delivering. 
 

Emphasis on it being a very different approach to the scattergun approach in the summer

Yet at least two of the biggest 2016 purchases had been extensively scouted by the same team who had previously had so much success.We then went in and got Silva a year later.Pound for pound Leicester City’s worst ever signing.I even remember reading that we had offered 50 million euros for a Slim Silva double swoop a couple of days before the window shut.

 

[ealingfox]

More red flags than the CCP National Congress at this point. Goes right down to little things like searching the home fans on the way into the ground (why ffs).

 

As I said in another thread the fact there were numerous bits of litter flying about on the pitch throughout the game today serves as a pretty spot on metaphor.

[accessory]

6 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Yet at least two of the biggest 2016 purchases had been extensively scouted by the same team who had previously had so much success.We then went in and got Silva a year later.Pound for pound Leicester City’s worst ever signing.I

 

A Mr Skipp and a M. Soumaré would like a word..

 

None of the 2016 signings were true duds, but it was clear that not a single thought had been given about how they would integrate into the squad on or off the pitch.

 

As a consequence, the seeds of our decline (and Claudio's demise) were sown.

 

 

[sylofox]

Top has taken us to where I expected from the start. It's not LCFC anymore it King Power FC.

 

Vichai was here for the club sadly his son's here for his ego and KP.

Won't be long before he tries to change our name.

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We had the disastrous 2916 summer window. 

Can I borrow your time machine please.

I just need to get the winning lottery numbers for every draw next year.

 

[Parafox]

I had a gut feeling after the tragic loss of Vichai that we were now in the hands of a businessman who doesn't have a clue about the true meaning of football and it's roots in the fanbase.

 

He hasn't got the traditional Thai humanity, benevolence and generosity of spirit that his father had.

 

He's in it for the kudos, not for the club and he's letting us and himself fail because of his inflated ego. He isn't bothered. He can parade the FA cup in Thailand and get thousands of them to buy our shirts but now things aren't as rosy, where is he? Where's his leadership?

 

It smacks of feeding off daddy's success. "Thanks dad, I miss you and I'm bereft by the loss but, hey, look at what you gave me. A trinket, a trophy, a profile in the EPL. Thanks, but I'm not really interested in this Leicester football club thing, just the name of King Power growing worldwide".

 

Fine, be a big business tycoon at your level. Please don't ruin our club by pretending.

Edited 22 December 2024 by Parafox

[reynard]

21 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I'm not sure I agree.

 

If we'd bought well that summer, qualified for the CL again, expanded the stadium to 40,000 and then had a really strong few years, so much changes.

 

Better insulated from Covid, Mahrez doesn't play with his bottom lip tripping him up and we find a timely replacement, greater stability and taking advantage of a global football story. I don't think we'd be considered part of the Big Six or anything, but I think we'd be where Villa are now on a regular basis.

So easy to say so much harder to achieve. I'm not defending KP but it really isn't as easy as some on here think it is. Top players want to play for top clubs. Kante was impossible to replace. A unique player. I can't recall anyone quite like him in over 60 years of watching football. Even if we had done as you suggest we would not have been able to keep the winning squad together. Financially we would however, have been stronger, but the insane amount of money spent by top clubs to ensure a side like us is unlikely to win the premier League again would have meant we still wouldn't be able to compete easily.

[Heathrow fox]

28 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I'm not sure I agree.

 

If we'd bought well that summer, qualified for the CL again, expanded the stadium to 40,000 and then had a really strong few years, so much changes.

 

Better insulated from Covid, Mahrez doesn't play with his bottom lip tripping him up and we find a timely replacement, greater stability and taking advantage of a global football story. I don't think we'd be considered part of the Big Six or anything, but I think we'd be where Villa are now on a regular basis.

There was only ever a certain amount of mileage in the Leicester City fairytale.I think it’s forgotten how much winning the league took out the squad physically and emotionally.The disrupted pre season 

The influx of new players losing Kante etc..Plus the fact that we had to fight on two fronts.
We broke the transfer record three times that summer.
Anyway the club did reset and I think it was you who posted the other day that five years ago before the Xmas maulings v Man City and Liverpool we looked good for another crack at the title.I fully agree.That autumn 2019 period was the best football I had seen Leicester play.I thought 2nd would look good on the CV