Electric Car?

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Robo61 said:

The Hyundai Nexio was planned for the mass market and retails at less than the Namx.  You are atating the future as fact without addressing any the  challenges I have raised. Do you work in the petrol chemical industry?

  Almost. 
 

 

( I work in the medical field).

[MPH]

43 minutes ago, jgtuk said:

Appreciate your input (and confidence) but I might be tempted in about 10 years if the market somehow goes that way. 
There was almost a readily available market for EV’s as there was already a partial structure in place (ie. electricity supply) but it’s still taken a while to convince Joe Public that EV’s will work for most people. The fossil fuel industry has done a brilliant job of scaremongering but hopefully the industry will grow and the vehicles will drop in price (they already have) and become more affordable for the masses. 
I think I read recently that EV’s are the highest selling vehicles in growth terms and diesel the lowest. 
I’m doing a lot of cheerleading here and I don’t even own one yet 😂

 

 

what I’m confident in, is that technology will improve. That’s a given. Especially if there’s money to be made from it.

 

 

also, a lot of the objections or concerns about Hydrogen powered cars are eerily similar to the concerns about mass produced  electric cars 20-25 years ago. 
 

we are putting chips in peoples brains so that they can use computers just by thinking.  I don’t think the current obstacles for hydrogen powered cars are insurmountable. 

[FoyleFox]

13 hours ago, jgtuk said:

Not sure these should even be in this thread, maybe start a new one? 
Pre-order the 2022 model now for delivery end 2026. Starting price £75,000. 
Look great on paper and in the online descriptions but not convinced they’ll ever make it to mass market. 
The EV charging infrastructure is already massively improved in the uk (compared to 2/3 years ago) and the cars I’ve driven are fantastic, so much better than ICE models. 
The looks/styling somewhat lets them down imo but I’d be all in if my wife was convinced. 
Still trying to convince her but she doesn’t like change and unfortunately has been victim to naysayers on social media talking about range anxiety, cost of repairs, battery fires etc. 

I’ve fitted a charging point whilst doing a rewire so already prepped for the future (incidentally, I bought the charger and cabling and fitted it all myself, just had the sparky test at the consumer unit as part of the rewire so cost for charger and cable was about £500)
 

See if you can get tickets to one of the Fully Charged Live shows to get Mrs jgtuk some actual facts rather than the misinformation of social media. We went a couple of years ago, lots of great info and the opportunity for test drives. 

[Robo61]

17 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

what I’m confident in, is that technology will improve. That’s a given. Especially if there’s money to be made from it.

 

 

also, a lot of the objections or concerns about Hydrogen powered cars are eerily similar to the concerns about mass produced  electric cars 20-25 years ago. 
 

we are putting chips in peoples brains so that they can use computers just by thinking.  I don’t think the current obstacles for hydrogen powered cars are insurmountable. 

As I said earlier hydrogen fuel cells have been around a very long time, if they were going to offer a real alternative that would have been achieved by now. We certainly can't be waiting another 20-25 years yet you suggested in your first post that readers should wait.
Battery technology is improving on a daily basis, that is where the money is to be made.

[Dreadnought]

The only way to run an electric car is to lease (contract hire) it. As Tom has said, the depreciation on them is shocking. There are three year old Porsche Taycans that were £120k new trading at below £30k today. 
 

I have been working in car finance for 27 years and we won’t offer terms on EVs other than lease. No business or private person should be exposed to the residual value on them! Let the lease companies deal with that problem!

[Lako42]

So many good lease deals on ev. 

 

Buying one would be ridiculous 

[MPH]

14 hours ago, Robo61 said:

As I said earlier hydrogen fuel cells have been around a very long time, if they were going to offer a real alternative that would have been achieved by now. We certainly can't be waiting another 20-25 years yet you suggested in your first post that readers should wait.
Battery technology is improving on a daily basis, that is where the money is to be made.

 

there’s not a single technology sector that has stood still  so I’m not sure why  you want to single out hydrogen powered cars for that.

 

[Robo61]

10 hours ago, MPH said:

 

there’s not a single technology sector that has stood still  so I’m not sure why  you want to single out hydrogen powered cars for that.

 

Sorry it was you who was saying wait for Hydrogen all I've done is to show the challenges to that to which your only response is I think or technology always moves on. I'd be delighted if scientists discovered a way to make, transport and store hydrogen cheaply and practically as it would offer another power source for transport, business and the home, but humans simply cannot wait for that to happen. Like fusion hydrogen is always 30 years away.

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Robo61 said:

Sorry it was you who was saying wait for Hydrogen all I've done is to show the challenges to that to which your only response is I think or technology always moves on. I'd be delighted if scientists discovered a way to make, transport and store hydrogen cheaply and practically as it would offer another power source for transport, business and the home, but humans simply cannot wait for that to happen. Like fusion hydrogen is always 30 years away.

 

they’ve been working on the technology of the car before the infrastructure of the refilling. Just like they did with electric cars. They certainly didn’t have a network of charging stations for electric cars when they came to the market - initially the emphasis was charging at home. And that’s the plan for hydrogen cars.. As previously stated, NamX plan on releasing their Hydrogen car at the end of 2026 and are already taking pre-orders. Just like Tesla did. I’m not sure why the Hydrogen market gets such scorn.. it’s followed every pattern that the electric car market  went through In getting where it has  today.. using hydrogen as a fuel is a relatively new concept compared to storing electric in a battery.

[Robo61]

48 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

they’ve been working on the technology of the car before the infrastructure of the refilling. Just like they did with electric cars. They certainly didn’t have a network of charging stations for electric cars when they came to the market - initially the emphasis was charging at home. And that’s the plan for hydrogen cars.. As previously stated, NamX plan on releasing their Hydrogen car at the end of 2026 and are already taking pre-orders. Just like Tesla did. I’m not sure why the Hydrogen market gets such scorn.. it’s followed every pattern that the electric car market  went through In getting where it has  today.. using hydrogen as a fuel is a relatively new concept compared to storing electric in a battery.

Hydrogen fual cells to power electric motors, yes NamX cars have electric motors, were invented nearly 200 years agoso hydrogen is certainly not following the progress of battery technology.

 

Namx have also not addressed the costs of producing hydrogen nor is there a solution on the horizon unlike battery technology which is moving foward on a daily basis.

 

I note you fail to address the need urgency on this matter, are you sure you don't have any financial interest in the petrochemical industry.

 

Anyway I've more than had my say and don't see this thread moving forward to I'm out

[Lako42]

Isn't hydrogen extremely explosive / volatile in the event of combustion? 

[vandamman]

Had a Renault Scenic e-tech since mid Nov ‘24 on lease. I’ve done about 1,500 miles and the equivalent cost is £100 charging at home, having switched tariff. Not had to charge whilst out yet luckily. 
 

Wall charger was £1k and it’s a Podpoint, app is great, can see how much I’m using and can schedule charging overnight. 

[Parafox]

Would an electric car be capable of towing a 4 berth caravan? 

 

Brother in Law is thinking about getting both.

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, vandamman said:

Had a Renault Scenic e-tech since mid Nov ‘24 on lease. I’ve done about 1,500 miles and the equivalent cost is £100 charging at home, having switched tariff. Not had to charge whilst out yet luckily. 
 

Wall charger was £1k and it’s a Podpoint, app is great, can see how much I’m using and can schedule charging overnight. 

How is the Scenic? 

 

Watched a few reviews and looks excellent. 

[MPH]

5 hours ago, Robo61 said:

Hydrogen fual cells to power electric motors, yes NamX cars have electric motors, were invented nearly 200 years agoso hydrogen is certainly not following the progress of battery technology.

 

Namx have also not addressed the costs of producing hydrogen nor is there a solution on the horizon unlike battery technology which is moving foward on a daily basis.

 

I note you fail to address the need urgency on this matter, are you sure you don't have any financial interest in the petrochemical industry.

 

Anyway I've more than had my say and don't see this thread moving forward to I'm out

 

 

no shares or employment in any  energy source. Just an acute understanding in the rapid advancement  of technology in every technology sector known to mankind.

Edited 19 January by MPH

[potter3]

On 17/01/2025 at 11:25, MPH said:

 

 

this is planned as being the first mass produced hydrogen car. For the public market. That anyone can buy.

 

 

Toyota Mirai, Hyundai ix35 FCEV?

[MPH]

38 minutes ago, potter3 said:

 

Toyota Mirai, Hyundai ix35 FCEV?

I know the Miraj is only available in  some parts of California at this moment.. and the ix35 FCEV is only available in just a couple of parts of Canada…  im just a bit more impressed with the NamX As I think it’s more likely to be available in a more condensed highly populated area

[Spudulike]

I currently drive a petrol Golf and my regular longest trip is 135 miles, each way, up to watch the City for home matches. So what EV can I get to do that 270 mile round trip (mostly in the winter months) without needing to stop for a recharge?

[FoyleFox]

14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I currently drive a petrol Golf and my regular longest trip is 135 miles, each way, up to watch the City for home matches. So what EV can I get to do that 270 mile round trip (mostly in the winter months) without needing to stop for a recharge?

If you're looking to get one, it very much would depend on your budget.There are newer EV's doing 400+ miles.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/electric-cars/longest-range

 

Lots a few years old would do 300+ miles. 

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

13 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I currently drive a petrol Golf and my regular longest trip is 135 miles, each way, up to watch the City for home matches. So what EV can I get to do that 270 mile round trip (mostly in the winter months) without needing to stop for a recharge?

A long range Tesla Model 3 would do that easily, even in winter.

 

I'm not sure I'd trust my Ioniq 5 to do that when it's cold but it can take super fast chargers so I can add enough miles to make the journey comfortably by charging at Sainsbury's Fosse Park for ten or fifteen minutes and not add significantly to the cost of the journey.

 

You could save a lot more money though by not actually making that trip, I live half an hour's walk from the ground and I can barely be arsed to go

[Spudulike]

15 minutes ago, FoyleFox said:

If you're looking to get one, it very much would depend on your budget.There are newer EV's doing 400+ miles.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/electric-cars/longest-range

 

Lots a few years old would do 300+ miles. 

 

 

Eye watering prices. Seems that I'll be keeping my Golf for quite sometime!

[deep blue]

On 16/01/2025 at 17:47, Mike the Metal Ed said:

What did everyone's wallboxes cost fitted?

About £700.

[adam]

12 hours ago, Parafox said:

Would an electric car be capable of towing a 4 berth caravan? 

 

Brother in Law is thinking about getting both.

I've got a caravan and would like a electric car however, I think the range of the car is still an issue. Not many reasonably priced EVs have a range of over 100 miles when towing.

I would also be on edge trying to find somewhere to charge it with the van attached

[MonkeyTennis?]

12 hours ago, Parafox said:

Would an electric car be capable of towing a 4 berth caravan? 

 

Brother in Law is thinking about getting both.

I looked into this a couple of years ago, and the answer then was that it was technically possible for some EVs to tow because they have the torque and the noseweight (Polestar 2 springs to mind), but it was pretty much impossible to do it in reality. The weight of the van reduces the range considerably, so long journeys were pretty much off the table because public charging points are relatively impractical to use while towing (you needed to unhitch and leave the van somewhere, then return to the charging point, probably several times per journey). Even charging at caravan sites wasn't massively easy, because you need to choose between having electric in the van or charging the car. 

 

It may be now that ranges and capacity have improved, but at that point for me it was a big no. Towing is a pain at the best of times.

[Lako42]

10 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I currently drive a petrol Golf and my regular longest trip is 135 miles, each way, up to watch the City for home matches. So what EV can I get to do that 270 mile round trip (mostly in the winter months) without needing to stop for a recharge?

Scenic