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[Zear0]

3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

 

Not going to be Canadian Spruce

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

I don’t know whether he has dementia or otherwise, but something curious I have noticed over the last few months is that whenever he has a meeting with someone or has to concentrate on something, he comes out of it parroting the person he’s met. Meeting with Keir Starmer? Comes away saying they don’t agree on everything but are building a good relationship - basically the kind of words you’d expect from Starmer’s mouth. Phonecall with Putin? He starts parroting Putin.

 

All the talk of negotiating positions I think is rot. He’s coming across as someone who doesn’t know his own mind.

He’s always been like this pretty much. 

[reporterpenguin]

59 minutes ago, Dunge said:

He won’t inspire the same devotion as Trump gets.

I think the most likely way MAGA outlives Trump is by becoming a family dynasty, with Don Jr presumably being his preferred immediate successor. 
 

Whoever he appoints, which is surely what he’ll do, will get a strong backing from the base. But the cult (checks spelling carefully) of him seems so tied to him and his family the most plausible way for it to continue is for it to continue in the family. 

[Dunge]

Just now, reporterpenguin said:

I think the most likely way MAGA outlives Trump is by becoming a family dynasty, with Don Jr presumably being his preferred immediate successor. 
 

Whoever he appoints, which is surely what he’ll do, will get a strong backing from the base. But the cult (checks spelling carefully) of him seems so tied to him and his family the most plausible way for it to continue is for it to continue in the family. 

I don’t see him appointing a successor. It’s possible he picks a son, or Ivanka, but he only really cares about himself, from day to day. He doesn’t have a belief set to pass on, just a load of circumstances he uses to manipulate others to get more power and personal glory.

[Jattdogg]

6 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Do we think then that he doesn't consider the consequences? ie any of the mentioned countries resisting his attempt, and what that might look like? He's actually narcissistic enough to think it would be welcomed?

He won't be welcomed in Canada. 70% to 90% of Canadians don't want to join America via recent polls.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-join-u-s-poll-1.7434317

 

How they define "canadians" i am not sure. We have had a surge of Indians come to canada on student visas and if they were part of any poll then most of them are non voters and have no care for if we joined or not. Also, if recent immigrant canadian citizens were asked, not so sure they care either as their attachment to Canada may not be as deep. 

 

5 hours ago, Dunge said:

Incidentally, that post (Zelensky is a dictator because he refuses to hold elections) could become bitterly ironic in late 2028 if Trump’s behind in the polls.

Meanwhile Putin has been in power since....

 

 

3 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

As someone who lives in Canada it’s hard to take your eyes off of America right now. It’s beyond madness that he can brazenly side with Russia and still not lose support. 

 

When he started all the talk about wanting Canada, I think people expected the whole of Canada to unite against it. But the Canadians that were trump supporters whom I fully expected to be just as insulted, all seem to go along with it. I think those that are already hypnotized by him are not going to ever change their minds.  
 

I still don’t fully believe things are as they seem and that the online pr campaign paints a different picture to the support in reality. But it shows how easily some people can be influenced online. Some of the nicest Canadians I know have been sucked in and embrace him without any logic behind it. The only reasons I’ve ever heard are pointing fingers at the other side, rather than ever actually defending him.  The world is crumbling and is going to be picked apart one nation at a time 

I think these are likely conversative folks or immigrants who don't have a lifelong love of Canada. This speaking as an immigrant to Canada that has lived here for practically my whole life. 

 

Nobody in my sphere would ever entertain joining America. My brothers are both in the military and I would 100% sign up and fight to the death if they tried to take us. **** them! 

 

But that won't happen. Trumps just being a massive bell.

 

Edited 19 February by Jattdogg

[Gubbins]

52 minutes ago, reporterpenguin said:

I think the most likely way MAGA outlives Trump is by becoming a family dynasty, with Don Jr presumably being his preferred immediate successor. 
 

Whoever he appoints, which is surely what he’ll do, will get a strong backing from the base. But the cult (checks spelling carefully) of him seems so tied to him and his family the most plausible way for it to continue is for it to continue in the family. 

Yeah if it was going to outlive the Trump name I don't think de santis would have flopped so hard in the presidential nomination. 

He certainly won't put much effort into supporting Vance for the next election. There's nothing in it for him and he wont care what happens next. Tbh I think with no election to fight he will spend the majority of the latter half of his term playing Golf. 

[Dunge]

I keep on hoping that Trump will get bored and spend his days cheating at golf but, alas, no luck so far.

[WigstonWanderer]

5 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Not sure it would help to react in public. 

Time for what’s left of the democracies in the world to unite in calling out the lies from Trump, Putin and their cohorts. The more they acquiesce by staying silent, the more emboldened these demagogues get.

[Md9]

Be nice to wake up to some news that isn’t bonkers one day soon wouldn’t it . 

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Jattdogg said:

He won't be welcomed in Canada. 70% to 90% of Canadians don't want to join America via recent polls.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-join-u-s-poll-1.7434317

 

How they define "canadians" i am not sure. We have had a surge of Indians come to canada on student visas and if they were part of any poll then most of them are non voters and have no care for if we joined or not. Also, if recent immigrant canadian citizens were asked, not so sure they care either as their attachment to Canada may not be as deep. 

 

Meanwhile Putin has been in power since....

 

 

I think these are likely conversative folks or immigrants who don't have a lifelong love of Canada. This speaking as an immigrant to Canada that has lived here for practically my whole life. 

 

Nobody in my sphere would ever entertain joining America. My brothers are both in the military and I would 100% sign up and fight to the death if they tried to take us. **** them! 

 

But that won't happen. Trumps just being a massive bell.

 

It's plain that Canada should simply let the US have something like Vancouver. Canada gets to keep most of Canada and the war they're obviously starting by not giving the US Vancouver will be avoided. This is how the world works now.

[Foxdiamond]

18 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Time for what’s left of the democracies in the world to unite in calling out the lies from Trump, Putin and their cohorts. The more they acquiesce by staying silent, the more emboldened these demagogues get.

Getting into a public slanging match is not going to help. Much better to say it directly to Trump in private and to garner support in the US from those that oppose Trump's view. 

[urban.spaceman]

44 minutes ago, Md9 said:

Be nice to wake up to some news that isn’t bonkers one day soon wouldn’t it . 

I wish we could go back to living in precedented times. 

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

It's plain that Canada should simply let the US have something like Vancouver. Canada gets to keep most of Canada and the war they're obviously starting by not giving the US Vancouver will be avoided. This is how the world works now.

Lol

 

The US can have a giant fook off back to the US. I'll throw in removing all tim hortons from the US as well. They will be so upset.

 

[Sly]

The irony of Trump calling Zelensky a dictator isn’t lost on me.

 

Whilst in the “formal sense” you couldn’t describe Trump as a Dictator either. The bloke literally spends half his time challenging democracy and started a riot to overturn the 2020 election results.

 

He also spends half the time trying to undermine  judiciary and the I don’t know how many times he’s accused the media of spreading “fake news”, when it doesn’t fit his rhetoric.

[Sly]

3 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Lol

 

The US can have a giant fook off back to the US. I'll throw in removing all tim hortons from the US as well. They will be so upset.

 

It’s like he’s just trying to start a fight with as many people as possible! 

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

It’s like he’s just trying to start a fight with as many people as possible! 

Sort of.

 

For me, he's trying to daunt and dominate as many people as possible, because he really believes in that incredibly primitive idea of human nature and enforced hierarchy. Subordinates and enemies, no equals or friends. I doubt he even has anyone he'd really call a friend in the genuine sense.

[Jon the Hat]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Sort of.

 

For me, he's trying to daunt and dominate as many people as possible, because he really believes in that incredibly primitive idea of human nature and enforced hierarchy. Subordinates and enemies, no equals or friends. I doubt he even has anyone he'd really call a friend in the genuine sense.

Unfortunately he has an awful lot of power, and unlike most Presidents has no moral compass to limit his use of it.

 

We are essentially back to the old pre WW2 world of major powers deciding things between themselves and other countries falling into line or getting invaded or cut off.

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, Sly said:

The irony of Trump calling Zelensky a dictator isn’t lost on me.

 

Whilst in the “formal sense” you couldn’t describe Trump as a Dictator either. The bloke literally spends half his time challenging democracy and started a riot to overturn the 2020 election results.

 

He also spends half the time trying to undermine  judiciary and the I don’t know how many times he’s accused the media of spreading “fake news”, when it doesn’t fit his rhetoric.

Europe spent more on Ukraine than the US too, but don't let that distract anyone.

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Unfortunately he has an awful lot of power, and unlike most Presidents has no moral compass to limit his use of it.

 

We are essentially back to the old pre WW2 world of major powers deciding things between themselves and other countries falling into line or getting invaded or cut off.

Well, that attempt certainly appears to be being made, that's for sure.

 

Surely however it's popped into the heads of those major powers that such a paradigm is not sustainable in the world we live in today or the future? Or is it a case of not giving a shit because they're betting they'll be gone before they feel the truly dreadful consequences of their decision making?

[leicsmac]

Additionally, I was looking back at the pol thread from around five years ago just now.

 

The Tories had about a 20(?) point lead, Covid was in full swing and Starmer looked dead in the water even just a few months after he got the leadership role.

 

Just goes to show how quickly things can move in a short space of time. I really wouldn't want to predict with much certainty what things will be like when 2029 rolls around.

[Sampson]

23 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Additionally, I was looking back at the pol thread from around five years ago just now.

 

The Tories had about a 20(?) point lead, Covid was in full swing and Starmer looked dead in the water even just a few months after he got the leadership role.

 

Just goes to show how quickly things can move in a short space of time. I really wouldn't want to predict with much certainty what things will be like when 2029 rolls around.

The world seems to go a lot faster nowadays. We had Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine war - 3 of the absolute biggest and society changing events in post-war British history all within the space of about 3 or 4 years of each other. Feck knows what is going to happen over the next few years in the west. 

[Foxdiamond]

I think we all want the war in Ukraine to stop. Although we would want the Russians to withdraw from the captured territory is this realistically possible without the war dragging on indefinitely? Of course Nato countries do not want to fight Russia. Therefore what does peace deal look like? 

[leicsmac]

24 minutes ago, Sampson said:

The world seems to go a lot faster nowadays. We had Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine war - 3 of the absolute biggest and society changing events in post-war British history all within the space of about 3 or 4 years of each other. Feck knows what is going to happen over the next few years in the west. 

Yeah.

 

The only reliable constant that will require global attention is the anthropogenic effect on our biosphere.

[SpacedX]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

 Therefore what does peace deal look like? 

If your name is Vladimir Putin, basically, Russia must be allowed to keep all the land it occupies, in addition to Ukraine ceding all of the provinces that the Kremlin lays claim to but does not currently control. Ukraine must officially end its plans to join NATO.

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv3g51n9yo

 

A rather darkly fascinating look at how misinformation is causing issues in yet another place.