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[st albans fox]

50 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

I doubt it given the territories form a land bridge to Crimea - which had clearly been one of the overriding objectives of the ‘Special Operation.’

Plenty of land close to the current battle lines that can be ceded without losing the land bridge. My point being that you probably won’t see any areas with deposits being negotiated. 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Curious that the Baltic states did not get an invite to todays meeting

Apparently they’re joining by zoom!

 

very odd 

[Bilo]

8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The glaring problem with your logic is that NATO forces have been bought, built and trained to work as an integrated force, so if the US sits it out as you say, there are huge gaps in technology, communication, command structure and logistics which make the remaining NATO forces pretty basic.  This is why it’s so shocking when or if the US turns around and takes its ball home, it’s bloody hard for anyone else to play effectively.

As said elsewhere, Russian logistics and technology are pretty atrocious. This would lessen risk, at least until 2028 when a Democrat likely wins the presidency. 

[Dahnsouff]

Did I just read that the FAA just cancelled a contract in favour of StarLink? 

 

No conflict of interest here 

[Blueman1967]

4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Someone wants the Nobel Peace Prize.

After the shambles on Friday, he has took up the baton

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Plenty of land close to the current battle lines that can be ceded without losing the land bridge. My point being that you probably won’t see any areas with deposits being negotiated. 

I don’t know the land geography of the area that well, but for Russia to have taken and then held those areas, it has to stand to reason that they’re useful strategic staging posts and so I find it unlikely Putin will be willing to give up any land under Russia control… I think that’s a concession that will have to be ceded unfortunately.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

Quite the weekend for someone that declared pre-election they wouldn’t work past 6pm on a Friday!
 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-is-in-for-a-shock-if-he-becomes-pm/

 

Guess that’s another broken promise from the shit 😂

[Bilo]

5 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Someone wants the Nobel Peace Prize.

It would certainly upset all the right people. 😂

[blabyboy]

Starmer said "we are at a crossroads in history," and unveiled the following plans:

• The UK, France and others have agreed to work with Ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting - this plan will be discussed with the US and together they will take the plan forward
• During the summit, four points were agreed: To keep military aid flowing into Ukraine, to have Kyiv at the table for any peace talks, for European leaders to to aim to deter any future Russian invasion of Ukraine and a "coalition of the willing" will be formed to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace there
• Additionally, the UK will be giving Ukraine access to £1.6bn ($2.01bn) to buy new missiles
• Europe must do the heavy lifting in any peace deal, Starmer said, but the agreement would need US backing

Starmer's as bad as Blair for soundbite/not soundbites.. 

[Lionator]

14 minutes ago, blabyboy said:

Starmer said "we are at a crossroads in history," and unveiled the following plans:

• The UK, France and others have agreed to work with Ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting - this plan will be discussed with the US and together they will take the plan forward
• During the summit, four points were agreed: To keep military aid flowing into Ukraine, to have Kyiv at the table for any peace talks, for European leaders to to aim to deter any future Russian invasion of Ukraine and a "coalition of the willing" will be formed to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace there
• Additionally, the UK will be giving Ukraine access to £1.6bn ($2.01bn) to buy new missiles
• Europe must do the heavy lifting in any peace deal, Starmer said, but the agreement would need US backing

Starmer's as bad as Blair for soundbite/not soundbites.. 

so completely pointless, just a continuation of the war as Putin won’t agree to a ceasefire which involves British and French troops in Ukraine and we won’t intervene for obvious reasons.

[pleatout]

6 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Someone wants the Nobel Peace Prize.

There's only one person determined to get the nobel peace prize.  The orange one needs his legacy to be more than the riot and insurrection.  He's desperate to do something, anything in Ukraine and or gaza

Edited 2 March by pleatout

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

 

If you haven’t come across this guy yet… I’m happy to provide you with the Japanese Ambassador enjoying St David’s Day.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

30 minutes ago, Lionator said:

so completely pointless, just a continuation of the war as Putin won’t agree to a ceasefire which involves British and French troops in Ukraine and we won’t intervene for obvious reasons.

We will see.

 

If Russia gets to keep territory (which it seems it might), there could be enough of a deal here for both sides to claim victory.

 

Putin might not like the idea of European troops on the doorstep, but maybe the need for a tactical pause is of greater importance - especially if continued support of Ukraine by Europe of defensive weapons makes further incursion futile or at least very difficult.

 

Trump was at pains to question what victory would look like for Ukraine, but to be frank, it’s not clear what victory would look like for Russia either - I certainly don’t think they’d be allowed to steamroll all of Ukraine right now, even if they could.

 

So whilst they may publicly posture on how this would be unacceptable… the Russian’s may have to cede ground on an EU led backstop force - and if nothing else, it would give Putin cause to claim further ‘provocation’ from The West further down the line.

[Dunge]

Putin pulled his soldiers back from Kyiv three years ago “as a show of goodwill” so I’m sure he could find another one.

[blabyboy]

48 minutes ago, Lionator said:

so completely pointless, just a continuation of the war as Putin won’t agree to a ceasefire which involves British and French troops in Ukraine and we won’t intervene for obvious reasons.

Starmer has already said that he sees UK forming part of the "willing" that will defend Ukraine.

What is unsaid in those bullet points is what constitutes US backing... Is it military support, or just a verbal agreement from Trump not to start negotiating behind Europe's back, or something in-between?

[bovril]

27 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

If you haven’t come across this guy yet… I’m happy to provide you with the Japanese Ambassador enjoying St David’s Day.

He's a great lad.

 

And Welsh culture and language should be far more promoted in Britain considering it is the island's oldest. 

[st albans fox]

 

[Livid]

Honestly,  right now, I would be more than happy to take a massive step back from being in any alliance with the US, whatever the financial cost. 

 

Europe has been dragged into conflicts we should never have been involved with. I also think that some of the terrorist acts that have been committed in Europe have been because we’ve been seen as the US’s lapdog.

 

There’s the hate a lot in Europe feel towards them right now but it’s nothing to what a lot in other parts of the world feel to the US. 
 

Sooner or later there will be some attack  on them and they will be off to somewhere for yet another war to end in a stalemate like Afghanistan or Iraq. I don’t want Europe anywhere near it. 

[bovril]

3 minutes ago, Livid said:

Honestly,  right now, I would be more than happy to take a massive step back from being in any alliance with the US, whatever the financial cost. 

 

Europe has been dragged into conflicts we should never have been involved with. I also think that some of the terrorist acts that have been committed in Europe have been because we’ve been seen as the US’s lapdog.

 

There’s the hate a lot in Europe feel towards them right now but it’s nothing to what a lot in other parts of the world feel to the US. 
 

Sooner or later there will be some attack  on them and they will be off to somewhere for yet another war to end in a stalemate like Afghanistan or Iraq. I don’t want Europe anywhere near it. 

I was thinking the same thing. If they want to pivot away from Europe or appease the Russians then fine, but then no more support for their imperial adventures, no more British and European troops dead for regime change in the Middle East. Unless maybe DJ Vince comes and says please and thank you like a good boy. 

Edited 2 March by bovril

[davieG]

[Lionator]

Put it this way, for those with kids on here. How would you feel about them getting conscripted and sent to ‘defend Ukraine’? 

[Dr The Singh]

6 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Put it this way, for those with kids on here. How would you feel about them getting conscripted and sent to ‘defend Ukraine’? 

.  I think behind doors there will be a face saving deal with Donald.

[Dunge]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Put it this way, for those with kids on here. How would you feel about them getting conscripted and sent to ‘defend Ukraine’? 

I don’t have kids, but friends do and the thought of that is utterly terrible.

But you’re assuming if we leave Ukraine to it then Putin will decide “that’ll do”; not just now but in the future. Is it really a choice between defending Ukraine and living in peace? Or is it a choice between defending Ukraine and eventually defending Germany?

 

Maybe you’re right, but there’s so much uncertainty out there right now and there are a lot of experts saying that it’s not a question of whether we need to stop Putin but simply where.

[Lionator]

1 minute ago, Dunge said:

I don’t have kids, but friends do and the thought of that is utterly terrible.

But you’re assuming if we leave Ukraine to it then Putin will decide “that’ll do”; not just now but in the future. Is it really a choice between defending Ukraine and living in peace? Or is it a choice between defending Ukraine and eventually defending Germany?

 

Maybe you’re right, but there’s so much uncertainty out there right now and there are a lot of experts saying that it’s not a question of whether we need to stop Putin but simply where.

Probably at a negotiating table (but I realise this will be an unpopular view). 

[Dunge]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Probably at a negotiating table (but I realise this will be an unpopular view). 

I’m fine with it being ended at a negotiating table - particularly, it would mean Ukraine still exists to negotiate. I just think the Americans are being at best naïve, probably negligent and at worst wilfully on the side of the aggressor.